Yup, I hadn't played for a while and I've been trying to beat Alatreon. Just had a full group where we were dunking him constantly but HE WON'T DIE and he does his stupid-ass nova for the third time and we all wipe.
This is the worst fight in the series hands-down.
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Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
I also hadnt played much in a while, decided to boot it back up a little over a week ago, I’m going solo against him for now, I can at least learn all his tells.
Just doesnt feel like I’m making too much progress, he moves way too fucking much, spent some time picking up some new gear like Kjarr DB. (which I didnt know had a crit skill inbuilt now)
A fair few people I see that SOS Alatreon are like... Level HR40/MR30 with crap gear, good luck and have fun with that. (Should have put him at MR 100 at least.)
Looking forward to AT Velkhana so I can max out my Affinity+ Charm to its new level 5 tier.
Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
Breaking the horns only “stop” Alatreons elemental rotation for a while, right? Only thing that dilutes Escaton Judgement is pure elemental damage if I understand correctly.
Breaking the horns only “stop” Alatreons elemental rotation for a while, right? Only thing that dilutes Escaton Judgement is pure elemental damage if I understand correctly.
horn breaks lock you into the fire/ice mode you're currently in
once he runs out of horns, he switches no matter what
in multi, it's essentially a hard time limit, unless you've got a mixed group (or dragon, but i don't recommend dragon)
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Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
I just want that sweet, sweet Fatalis armor, why you gotta block me Alatreon?
Made a new set combination for Kulve, basically 3 piece Safi, 2 piece Gold Rathian, so dragonvein and crit element with divine protection 5, worked well for Kulve, much less healing downtime and my damage still seems fairly high (still max ice damage, WE, CB and Affinity.), I miss my TCE build but my elemental resistances are all terrible in that.
Guess I should try this combination out on Alatreon.
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It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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I feel like they're at least making an earnest attempt here. But I'm still not going to an actual movie theater in 2 months to see this. (I 100% would have in a non-Covid world, though.)
Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
I know, doubt I could take his normal 50k hp right now but I’m getting there, able to dodge a lot of his constant bullshit now.
I dont really care that much about his gear though, Fatalis is a lot more appealing, just odd that even Fatalis’s DB looks kinda bad, is there any reason to use Fatalis DB over Dragon Kjarr DB? Fatalis has more raw but affinity and dragon damage are pretty bad.
Edit: Any certain way to get Shadowcore ore? Killed a bunch of Tempered Elders and havent seen anything drop.
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How tough is Ruiner Nergigante?
If I'm remembering right, Arch Tempered Nerg was one of those rare moments as an adult where I found myself wanting to physically throw my controller at a wall.
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Hmm, MHW downloaded stuff during the night. Probably preloading assets for the upcoming festival.
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If I'm remembering right, Arch Tempered Nerg was one of those rare moments as an adult where I found myself wanting to physically throw my controller at a wall.
not as bad as AT Nergi, but not completely a pushover like Nergi. It had a few moves from AT but they're not as bad as that version (it doesn't spam the zero-windup ground pound)
If I'm remembering right, Arch Tempered Nerg was one of those rare moments as an adult where I found myself wanting to physically throw my controller at a wall.
It's not the worst, but it is still MHW Nergi and can be a real bully if given the chance. Feel like it's a skin of your teeth fight when first unlocked, but dunno now with added content advancements in gear.
If I'm remembering right, Arch Tempered Nerg was one of those rare moments as an adult where I found myself wanting to physically throw my controller at a wall.
He is pretty similar to normal Nerg except his divebomb and crash now also shoots out spikes that bleeds you, also these fucking spikes literally cheat, they can shoot in a 360 degree radius from where Ruiner Nerg divebombs directly tracking you.
if your damage is good and your dodges are on point, you can bully the shit out of him. my record time on tempered nerg in the event is a hair over 6 minutes
if your damage is not good or you're spending too much time getting hit, you're gonna get an increasingly belligerent and spammy AI and more and more black spikes and he'll be a nightmare to deal with
i think i've seen speedrunners call this the zoomies phase, because he just starts spamming low recovery charges and the AT nerg slam
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Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
Fatalis is a stunlocking piece of shit.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
edited October 2020
I've kicked the shit out of everything but Silver/Gold, Safi'jiiva, Alatreon, and Fatalis
And I still can't reliably beat that fucking monkey
(Please note I still haven't unlocked the life mod for lances, which will render me invulnerable I assume)
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
edited October 2020
As an aside, I played with another lance dude a few days ago and I am surprised at how different the playstyles are
I was killin Zinogre with a nearly constant counter/stab/stab/hop/counter string until an opening happened, then it was wallbang time. This guy did nothing but lance charges the entire hunt and carted twice.
i miss playing lance but every time i take it out in iceborne it's a diasater
i put like 500 hunts into that thing in high rank
Disaster as in?
"i carted nine times to a tempered stygian in the guiding lands"
*sharp inhale*
Got it.
So far only Rajang has really put a hurt on me, and that's because the lance augments are locked behind some bullshit, whereas my bow and GS stuff is already available.
Also, that Guard Up gem dropping has changed my entire outlook, as I was looking to switch.
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SaldonasSee you space cowboy...Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
Starting to feel like I should come back for these new fights, though I got a lot of grinding to do just to get better gear for them (or unlocking my armor upgrades). I'm tempted to do a weapon swap since it's been a while. Did MHW on PC with LS and then most of Iceborne as hammer, though swapped back to LS for guiding lands grinding. I went so far as to make the goldian LS and do a health augment on it.
So I wonder do I try to make hammer work again or maybe try to learn the ways of the lance for once.
Edit: which makes me wonder, where would I even want to start back up on. I think I'd just be hunting mostly randomly. Stopped playing just before stygian zinogre I think.
Lance is defintiely incredibly strong pre-Iceborne, have been playing on PC where I don't own the expansion and it's just so good.
In IB, the issue does seem to come from many monsters attacking faster than you can block between attacks, and also how many status ailments are present there as well.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Lance is defintiely incredibly strong pre-Iceborne, have been playing on PC where I don't own the expansion and it's just so good.
In IB, the issue does seem to come from many monsters attacking faster than you can block between attacks, and also how many status ailments are present there as well.
Hopping between the 1/2/3 combos animation cancels and instantly brings the shield up. I never use the 1/2/3 in Iceborne unless its multiplayer, tho.
Also, using the counter/1/counter set doesn't get you the sweet third hit damage but it does allow nearly constant pressure. Countercharge/1/hop/forward stab/hop/countercharge is also a really solid combo with a ton of knockout damage.
I had probably close to 500 hours in base MHW on ps4, nearly full time lance with some HBG thrown in for some hunts, before switching over to PC for IB. I still mained lance on PC but with the added precision of M&KB I found myself running LBG a lot more. Dabbled in bow a bit too but I love being a tank so most of my hunts are still lance/HBG.
I just love dropping my shield and eating the big attacks, it's incredibly satisfying.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I had probably close to 500 hours in base MHW on ps4, nearly full time lance with some HBG thrown in for some hunts, before switching over to PC for IB. I still mained lance on PC but with the added precision of M&KB I found myself running LBG a lot more. Dabbled in bow a bit too but I love being a tank so most of my hunts are still lance/HBG.
I just love dropping my shield and eating the big attacks, it's incredibly satisfying.
Especially when you get the flash and see "The skill Offensive Guard has been activated" message
I didn't touch lance in pre-Iceborne times. Hell, I barely even touched gunlance. If I wanted a shield, I'd use charge blade. Otherwise, I was solidly an Insect Glaive flippy ninja. In Iceborne, though, I've found Lance/Gunlance to be incredibly strong and I'll use them to basically cheese every fight up to Safi.
This concept of any of the lances being particularly bad is completely foreign to me and makes no sense.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
edited October 2020
I do a lot of level 8/9/10 stuff in this video until I can get openings for wallbangs or claw counters.
Sirialisof the Halite Throne.Registered Userregular
edited October 2020
Is Safi Aquashot with partbreaker a good idea to use to get Alatreons direwings? I main dual blades and its nearly impossible to hit his wings during the fight with those, well unless I throw them at him.
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Reminds me a little too much of endgame Sekiro.
At least I got the Ice and Dragon DB from Kulve Taroth.
This is the worst fight in the series hands-down.
Just doesnt feel like I’m making too much progress, he moves way too fucking much, spent some time picking up some new gear like Kjarr DB. (which I didnt know had a crit skill inbuilt now)
A fair few people I see that SOS Alatreon are like... Level HR40/MR30 with crap gear, good luck and have fun with that. (Should have put him at MR 100 at least.)
Looking forward to AT Velkhana so I can max out my Affinity+ Charm to its new level 5 tier.
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horn breaks lock you into the fire/ice mode you're currently in
once he runs out of horns, he switches no matter what
in multi, it's essentially a hard time limit, unless you've got a mixed group (or dragon, but i don't recommend dragon)
Made a new set combination for Kulve, basically 3 piece Safi, 2 piece Gold Rathian, so dragonvein and crit element with divine protection 5, worked well for Kulve, much less healing downtime and my damage still seems fairly high (still max ice damage, WE, CB and Affinity.), I miss my TCE build but my elemental resistances are all terrible in that.
Guess I should try this combination out on Alatreon.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
I dont really care that much about his gear though, Fatalis is a lot more appealing, just odd that even Fatalis’s DB looks kinda bad, is there any reason to use Fatalis DB over Dragon Kjarr DB? Fatalis has more raw but affinity and dragon damage are pretty bad.
Edit: Any certain way to get Shadowcore ore? Killed a bunch of Tempered Elders and havent seen anything drop.
Are you doing tempered elder investigations? That's the best way, but its still random.
If I'm remembering right, Arch Tempered Nerg was one of those rare moments as an adult where I found myself wanting to physically throw my controller at a wall.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
not as bad as AT Nergi, but not completely a pushover like Nergi. It had a few moves from AT but they're not as bad as that version (it doesn't spam the zero-windup ground pound)
It's not the worst, but it is still MHW Nergi and can be a real bully if given the chance. Feel like it's a skin of your teeth fight when first unlocked, but dunno now with added content advancements in gear.
He is pretty similar to normal Nerg except his divebomb and crash now also shoots out spikes that bleeds you, also these fucking spikes literally cheat, they can shoot in a 360 degree radius from where Ruiner Nerg divebombs directly tracking you.
Did a few but didnt get anything.
Should just drop from Tempered Elders in GL tbh.
if your damage is good and your dodges are on point, you can bully the shit out of him. my record time on tempered nerg in the event is a hair over 6 minutes
if your damage is not good or you're spending too much time getting hit, you're gonna get an increasingly belligerent and spammy AI and more and more black spikes and he'll be a nightmare to deal with
i think i've seen speedrunners call this the zoomies phase, because he just starts spamming low recovery charges and the AT nerg slam
And I still can't reliably beat that fucking monkey
(Please note I still haven't unlocked the life mod for lances, which will render me invulnerable I assume)
I was killin Zinogre with a nearly constant counter/stab/stab/hop/counter string until an opening happened, then it was wallbang time. This guy did nothing but lance charges the entire hunt and carted twice.
No wonder people think lance sucks.
i put like 500 hunts into that thing in high rank
Disaster as in...?
*sharp inhale*
Got it.
So far only Rajang has really put a hurt on me, and that's because the lance augments are locked behind some bullshit, whereas my bow and GS stuff is already available.
Also, that Guard Up gem dropping has changed my entire outlook, as I was looking to switch.
So I wonder do I try to make hammer work again or maybe try to learn the ways of the lance for once.
Edit: which makes me wonder, where would I even want to start back up on. I think I'd just be hunting mostly randomly. Stopped playing just before stygian zinogre I think.
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whereas sns works for eeeeverything
Yeah but can you tank a Nergi bomb and smack him directly in the face with a charge shot right after?
You'd iframe the dive bomb with a backhop instead with SnS
It was mostly in jest, every weapon type is A-OK to me
I love tanking one-shots and having like 2% damage done. I'd rather do that all day than dodge. Guard 5/Guard Up/Divine Blessing
In IB, the issue does seem to come from many monsters attacking faster than you can block between attacks, and also how many status ailments are present there as well.
Hopping between the 1/2/3 combos animation cancels and instantly brings the shield up. I never use the 1/2/3 in Iceborne unless its multiplayer, tho.
Also, using the counter/1/counter set doesn't get you the sweet third hit damage but it does allow nearly constant pressure. Countercharge/1/hop/forward stab/hop/countercharge is also a really solid combo with a ton of knockout damage.
I just love dropping my shield and eating the big attacks, it's incredibly satisfying.
Especially when you get the flash and see "The skill Offensive Guard has been activated" message
then I stood in front of Shara Ishvalda's hyper beam and was flattened
with my sns I just see a part of any map that has run up walls and my eyes light up like it's christmas morning because woooo splitter spam
I didn't touch lance in pre-Iceborne times. Hell, I barely even touched gunlance. If I wanted a shield, I'd use charge blade. Otherwise, I was solidly an Insect Glaive flippy ninja. In Iceborne, though, I've found Lance/Gunlance to be incredibly strong and I'll use them to basically cheese every fight up to Safi.
This concept of any of the lances being particularly bad is completely foreign to me and makes no sense.
I still don't know how they jump straight up.