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The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
Okay, but, like, ...so? Like is you're point that even if we lose and the GOP destroys the country, well at least we can say I told you so? I don't understand where you're going with this
i think the point is the culture war the GOP is fighting they have largely already lost, so these power plays are merely delaying the inevitable
it's a slim thread of longer term optimism
I might have bought that before 2016. But things have gotten drastically worse since then, and if you think they can't get worse still I've got a bridge to sell you.
I mean Trump and friends are joking about sticking Democrat Congresspeople in jail, you think they won't actually start doing that if they win again? Go look at some of the right-wing nonsense states with GOP leaders pull.
Nah, Roe isn't even the goal. Griswold is the goal. Their worry is that somewhere a woman is having sex and enjoying it.
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Every single one of these assholes who sat on their thumbs back in 2016 and is now arguing that they need to go fast as possible should be tarred, feathered and run out of town.
Fuck each and everyone of these shitlords.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
Okay, but, like, ...so? Like is you're point that even if we lose and the GOP destroys the country, well at least we can say I told you so? I don't understand where you're going with this
i think the point is the culture war the GOP is fighting they have largely already lost, so these power plays are merely delaying the inevitable
it's a slim thread of longer term optimism
I might have bought that before 2016. But things have gotten drastically worse since then, and if you think they can't get worse still I've got a bridge to sell you.
I mean Trump and friends are joking about sticking Democrat Congresspeople in jail, you think they won't actually start doing that if they win again? Go look at some of the right-wing nonsense states with GOP leaders pull.
that is again entirely not the point but this has very little do with the thread anymore
The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
Okay, but, like, ...so? Like is you're point that even if we lose and the GOP destroys the country, well at least we can say I told you so? I don't understand where you're going with this
i think the point is the culture war the GOP is fighting they have largely already lost, so these power plays are merely delaying the inevitable
it's a slim thread of longer term optimism
I might have bought that before 2016. But things have gotten drastically worse since then, and if you think they can't get worse still I've got a bridge to sell you.
I mean Trump and friends are joking about sticking Democrat Congresspeople in jail, you think they won't actually start doing that if they win again? Go look at some of the right-wing nonsense states with GOP leaders pull.
They're not joking. They never joke. Utterly humorless individuals.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
Okay, but, like, ...so? Like is you're point that even if we lose and the GOP destroys the country, well at least we can say I told you so? I don't understand where you're going with this
i think the point is the culture war the GOP is fighting they have largely already lost, so these power plays are merely delaying the inevitable
it's a slim thread of longer term optimism
I might have bought that before 2016. But things have gotten drastically worse since then, and if you think they can't get worse still I've got a bridge to sell you.
I mean Trump and friends are joking about sticking Democrat Congresspeople in jail, you think they won't actually start doing that if they win again? Go look at some of the right-wing nonsense states with GOP leaders pull.
They're not joking. They never joke. Utterly humorless individuals.
The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
The point I'm trying to make is that they don't care that punishments and legality don't reduce abortion rates. They don't care that the demand will still exist, because that's not their objective.
They want to find The Other getting abortions and use that as an excuse to punish them, while the privileged that continue to get abortions will suffer no consequences.
There's no desire to actually halt abortions - There's plenty of desire to appeal to their base on this red meat issue and use the eventual legal battle to harm minorities and the disenfranchised.
The cruelty is the point.
Again, that doesn't reflect reality. They genuinely believe this stuff. For most of them, it's a religious argument, Sure, for some, it's a control fetish, but if all you care about is power, then repealing RvW does fuckall for that. They obtain power specifically to repeal RvW. This has been discussed numerous times. It's the same thing with most of their other stances. removing LGBTQ protections/rights does fuckall for gaining power. They genuinely believe it's "bad" on religious grounds and they achieve power specifically to enable that viewpoint. The list goes on and on.
The left doesn't want abortions just as much as the right doesn't We just try to achieve that in a more realistic fashion, by improving healthcare/science so that even for the couple that wants the pregnancy, they never have to face the possibility that something could go wrong with the pregnancy and they never have to face the choice of having to terminate to save the mother's life.
..or by improving contraceptives and education so that pregnancy is a choice, not an accident. It's a fact that abstinence-only doesn't work very well.
The right takes a desired outcome (no abortions) and works backwards. This has shown time and time again, it doesn't work. The left's approach is far more realistic. we ask ourselves why people have abortions in the first place and go forward from there. We already know what happens when abortions are outlawed. Women have back alley abortions anyway, or find other crappy ways to make it happen, This is specifically why it was ultimately legalized. One's views on abortions one way or the other is not a path to power in itself. you achieve power to enact that viewpoint because you genuinely believe it's the correct action to take. Your viewpoint basically turns the GOP into mustache twirling villains, and again, that just doesn't reflect reality. Everyone is the hero of their own story. They genuinely buy into these ideas. Yes, plenty of them are hypocritical and think it's okay for them to have an abortion, but not "the other" but again, that idea does not pan out over the long term.
The only thing that really keeps me going is even if they "win" and repeal Roe v Wade, they don't win. That's what this still ultimately boils down to. Republican policies just flat out don't work, Reality has demonstrated time and time again that there is a need for abortions. Conservatives and Liberals alike get them. So even if they "win" and repeal it, this in no way ends things, Republicans just end up with more blood on their hands.
You just go down the line. stripping LGBTQ protections and rights don't work. Trump's recent plan to implement "Patriotic curriculum" in schools is again ultimately going to turn people against the right wing. And on and on and on.
This isn't a fight between the left's opinion vs the right's opinion, This is a fight for ideas that work vs ideas that don't work, even if you lose the fight, it still ultimately corrects itself, just in a more painful, bloodier fashion.
It's not about making it outright impossible to get an abortion.
It's about having legal standing to punish "the right" people for getting one or providing one.
You're missing my point. That's irrelevant, no matter who you punish, it doesn't change the fact that there is still a demand for abortion. Punishments and legality doesn't change that. We already tried outlawing abortions once, How well did that work out? Maybe that's why we legalized them in the first place?
The point I'm trying to make is that they don't care that punishments and legality don't reduce abortion rates. They don't care that the demand will still exist, because that's not their objective.
They want to find The Other getting abortions and use that as an excuse to punish them, while the privileged that continue to get abortions will suffer no consequences.
There's no desire to actually halt abortions - There's plenty of desire to appeal to their base on this red meat issue and use the eventual legal battle to harm minorities and the disenfranchised.
The cruelty is the point.
Again, that doesn't reflect reality. They genuinely believe this stuff.
You must not remember all the anti-gay 'pubs who got caught with "bag boys" and other situations. Or Falwell.
They don't believe shit. Not the ones in power. The reason to overturn RvW, LGBTQ rights, etc, is to strip power, privilege, and rights away from those groups, to create more "others" they can scapegoat and hurt for their own enjoyment
The culture war is kind of like the democracy war to the right. They've lost it and they know it but that doesn't mean they aren't gonna try and rig the system to put their priorities on top anyway. They know that public sentiment is against them on this stuff but they want to use the courts to make the government enforce their values (anti-gay, anti-women, anti-sex, etc) on everyone anyway.
Gonna start updating the OP with a list of senators positions. Kinda tricky, because you do a quick search online and you read that Chuck Grassley said he's opposed to vote, but you have to dig and make sure he didn't say that in 2016 or something. Let me know if there's something you want up there or if I missed something.
Sen. Lindsey Graham signaled that he would backtrack from his vow in 2016 that Supreme Court vacancies should not be filled during a presidential election year and would indeed be willing to move a nominee before the election. https://t.co/miqmlEqDPZhttps://t.co/L4tiUgVG1T
So there it is. Hopefully this will cost him his seat.
Fucking assholes. I know it was obvious that they would pull this , but have some values and norms. You held this up last time so the people could have a say, do it again you spineless shit heads.
Sen. Lindsey Graham signaled that he would backtrack from his vow in 2016 that Supreme Court vacancies should not be filled during a presidential election year and would indeed be willing to move a nominee before the election. https://t.co/miqmlEqDPZhttps://t.co/L4tiUgVG1T
So there it is. Hopefully this will cost him his seat.
Fucking assholes. I know it was obvious that they would pull this , but have some values and norms. You held this up last time so the people could have a say, do it again you spineless shit heads.
The point isn't to have values it's to cajole the government into being what they want it to be for generations.
Mildly surprised Collins is willing to come out even that strong now; still fully expect her to have a convenient "crisis of conscience" and change her mind if her vote will affect the outcome. And of course Graham flip-flopped.
I guess there's a glimmer of hope McConnell will fail to push it through. Doubt it though.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Mildly surprised Collins is willing to come out even that strong now; still fully expect her to have a convenient "crisis of conscience" and change her mind if her vote will affect the outcome. And of course Graham flip-flopped.
I guess there's a glimmer of hope McConnell will fail to push it through. Doubt it though.
remember three Republican votes are mulligans
nothing matters until a fourth says they are against it
It just pisses me off. I'm so sad for the death, but at the same time I'm pissed at the reprocutions. She was an awesome lady, but her untimely death may have fucked this country. Note, I'm not mad at her, God bless her soul and may she find peace in heaven, just mad at the whole thing and how's it's going to go, and wish she could have held on just a little bit longer.
Lindsey Graham is like the 4th worst person alive today.
Somebody should legit ask him if he can even remember a time when he knew what integrity was and just how happy he is to have forgotten it.
I was gonna talk about the lack of a spine and compare him to an animal but then I remembered the no nickname rules and such. But, and I'm not saying there is, but if there is a race of lizard people walking around in human skin, ted cruz is their leader.
I share a state with that mother fucker and it makes me ill.
This state sucks. I'm pretty openly liberal but thats borne more out of an increasing combativeness on my part. Like yeah I'm a fucking liberal you cocked up shit, say something to my face about it. But I still have to keep my head down at work, or I'd straight up get fired. It seems like virtually every person I interact with on a day to day basis is a dyed in the wool, full bore MAGA nut job who believes oh my God just the dumbest shit. All ages. Young, old doesn't matter.
People who didn't want to go see the new Star Wars because they were afraid of Rey having a romantic plot with "that colored guy." People who didn't want to let their kids see Frozen II because they heard there might be lesbians or something in it. Every day this shit. Basic human decency is in seemingly short supply here.
I don't know how or if you can even fix this state. I'm actually flabbergasted Jamie Harrison is tied with Lindsey Graham in the polls right now. Like, that shouldn't even be possible.
I kinda lost the plot of my original thought here beyond "Lindsey Graham can eat 13 whole ass whale dicks" and "don't come to SC"
Honestly, we should out Lindsey Graham officially. I know that he is well known to be gay by those in the "know", but it should be an actual third party attack ad that tells the voters of SC that is a no holds barred, Rent boy hiring, Homosexual man.
Like do the ratfucking thing to the GOP for once. Have this asshole try playing defense on what a hypocritical shit he has been his entire life.
Edit. A lot of SC voter probably already know too, but rub their nose in it. Make them vote for the gay candidate. Depress their turnout.
Kipling217 on
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Oh, I guess that is a good segue into my thoughts on the GOP and their culture war. The average white, conservative American citizen absolutely and adamantly understands that the gay community, abortions and brown people are aberrations and somehow, vaguely responsible for all of their problems. The liberal pantywaist, participation trophy socialists are ruining this country and we need no bullshit people like Trump to put them in their place.
It is 100% about punishing the group(s) they don't like. There is no real logic behind it. If you press them on it you'll get some vague mumbles about religion but the honest answer is they don't know they just don't like them, and what we don't like we hurt and kill and drive out with stones. The cruelty is absolutely, undeniably the giant fucking point. Losing this Supreme Court seat is just one more thing to help "legitimize" the persecution of minorities. Its the big red seal on their holy fucking mandate. The Lindsey Grahams and the Mitch McConnells all figured out how to use that mandate to get rich and wield power. Maybe they taste a little of their own supply, I dunno. It doesn't really matter.
Honestly, we should out Lindsey Graham officially. I know that he is well known to be gay by those in the "know", but it should be an actual third party attack ad that tells the voters of SC that is a no holds barred, Rent boy hiring, Homosexual man.
Like do the ratfucking thing to the GOP for once. Have this asshole try playing defense on what a hypocritical shit he has been his entire life.
Edit. A lot of SC voter probably already know too, but rub their nose in it. Make them vote for the gay candidate. Depress their turnout.
I mean... The vassal swarm of PACs surrounding every candidate exists explicitly to make it possible to do this kind of shit without actually lowering yourself to it.
On the other hand, this kind of thing would have to be done *VERY* carefully in this age. Back in the bygone days when outing your opponent as a Homo sapiens in the last days of the campaign could clinch it for you, it wouldn't matter because there was no party on the side of gays. However, it has to be considered that in this age outing Graham this way would more likely deliver his seat into the hands of somebody much worse (with all the additional -isms and -phobias that would come attached, not just homo- and trans-)
It has to be done in context of the harm he's done to others while protecting and elevating himself for the same things. It has to be in the context of advancing equality. And if the stars could align strategically, I would prefer not to see it attempted unless an openly homosexual candidate were running against him, for multiple reasons. Not the least of which is that the optics of a straight man saying, "Vote for me, the other guy is gay," are FUUUUUUUU
Edit: Alternately, egg on some whackadoodle wingnut to make it the whole point of his primary campaign and hope it doesn't bring about my primary fear of doing this - that it'll just put somebody worse there when the dust settles.
Oh, I guess that is a good segue into my thoughts on the GOP and their culture war. The average white, conservative American citizen absolutely and adamantly understands that the gay community, abortions and brown people are aberrations and somehow, vaguely responsible for all of their problems. The liberal pantywaist, participation trophy socialists are ruining this country and we need no bullshit people like Trump to put them in their place.
It is 100% about punishing the group(s) they don't like. There is no real logic behind it. If you press them on it you'll get some vague mumbles about religion but the honest answer is they don't know they just don't like them, and what we don't like we hurt and kill and drive out with stones. The cruelty is absolutely, undeniably the giant fucking point. Losing this Supreme Court seat is just one more thing to help "legitimize" the persecution of minorities. Its the big red seal on their holy fucking mandate. The Lindsey Grahams and the Mitch McConnells all figured out how to use that mandate to get rich and wield power. Maybe they taste a little of their own supply, I dunno. It doesn't really matter.
This is why I had to delete my Facebook and get rid of a lot of friends. If you support Trump, you're not a conservitave republican , you're a straight up asshole
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
I share a state with that mother fucker and it makes me ill.
This state sucks. I'm pretty openly liberal but thats borne more out of an increasing combativeness on my part. Like yeah I'm a fucking liberal you cocked up shit, say something to my face about it. But I still have to keep my head down at work, or I'd straight up get fired. It seems like virtually every person I interact with on a day to day basis is a dyed in the wool, full bore MAGA nut job who believes oh my God just the dumbest shit. All ages. Young, old doesn't matter.
People who didn't want to go see the new Star Wars because they were afraid of Rey having a romantic plot with "that colored guy." People who didn't want to let their kids see Frozen II because they heard there might be lesbians or something in it. Every day this shit. Basic human decency is in seemingly short supply here.
I don't know how or if you can even fix this state. I'm actually flabbergasted Jamie Harrison is tied with Lindsey Graham in the polls right now. Like, that shouldn't even be possible.
I kinda lost the plot of my original thought here beyond "Lindsey Graham can eat 13 whole ass whale dicks" and "don't come to SC"
South Carolina has amazing food and coastlines, but very troubling political outcomes.
I just listened to the 538 podcast and they made a good and terrifying point. If SCOTUS becomes the big deal in the election it distracts from COVID. COVID is really, really, bad for Trump.
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears.”
― Marcus Aurelius
Mildly surprised Collins is willing to come out even that strong now; still fully expect her to have a convenient "crisis of conscience" and change her mind if her vote will affect the outcome. And of course Graham flip-flopped.
I guess there's a glimmer of hope McConnell will fail to push it through. Doubt it though.
remember three Republican votes are mulligans
nothing matters until a fourth says they are against it
And when it comes to it, whey will budget those first three. Remember, McCain was not the only Republican to vote against the ACA repeal, he was the only one crucified for it. He was the one they didn't give permission to vote against it, who risked nothing either way.
Honestly, we should out Lindsey Graham officially. I know that he is well known to be gay by those in the "know", but it should be an actual third party attack ad that tells the voters of SC that is a no holds barred, Rent boy hiring, Homosexual man.
Like do the ratfucking thing to the GOP for once. Have this asshole try playing defense on what a hypocritical shit he has been his entire life.
Edit. A lot of SC voter probably already know too, but rub their nose in it. Make them vote for the gay candidate. Depress their turnout.
No. First it wouldn't work. Second it is wrong. I get doing bad to do good in extreme situations but doing bad to no effect is awful.
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears.”
― Marcus Aurelius
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderatormod
Honestly, we should out Lindsey Graham officially. I know that he is well known to be gay by those in the "know", but it should be an actual third party attack ad that tells the voters of SC that is a no holds barred, Rent boy hiring, Homosexual man.
Like do the ratfucking thing to the GOP for once. Have this asshole try playing defense on what a hypocritical shit he has been his entire life.
Edit. A lot of SC voter probably already know too, but rub their nose in it. Make them vote for the gay candidate. Depress their turnout.
No. First it wouldn't work. Second it is wrong. I get doing bad to do good in extreme situations but doing bad to no effect is awful.
Oh, it might have an effect... It would definitely help get us somebody like Steve King in the seat.
It hits me repeatedly, the absurdity of the fact that a single 84-year-old woman dying has me pondering things like what the threshold for different people is where civil war (I'd say 'or somehow peacefully splitting the nation' but Trump would literally nuke California if it seceded) becomes preferable to just, well, the suffering of minorities (and literal body count in the concentration camps) isn't too high, especially compared to what a civil war would cause, so, guess we just live with the fascism and hope no one we know personally disappears.
And people call me an optimist, because I think that probably the SCOTUS isn't used for the election and the 6/3 thing gets sorted out if we win the Senate.
I just listened to the 538 podcast and they made a good and terrifying point. If SCOTUS becomes the big deal in the election it distracts from COVID. COVID is really, really, bad for Trump.
I don’t think ramming through a justice in a manner already being reported as massively hypocritical is going to be great for him either.
I know a Nigerian Prince with a bridge and some magic beans to sell if you think any Republican is gonna go against Trump's desire to appoint a judge right away.
Collins saying "should be made by the President who is elected Nov 3rd" is surprisingly definitive for her, right? I'm not so cynical as to think they'll betray that statement mere months after she's made it in such an important moment. She didn't leave herself any wiggle room, she's not just "concerned"
And if Collins is against this travesty on principal then I'd have a hard time believing Murkowski won't be either, since they are often in agreement and I guess are close?
Romney's aid sarcastically denying the report that he's against this is worrying, but I'd also have a hard time believe Romney would be OK with not doing the right thing, especially if Collins and Murk have already publicly stated it as such and it's another chance to poke Trump in the eye. He voted for impeachment FFS. Conservatives will still have a majority if Ginsberg's seat is filled by Biden. Maybe Romney just wants to make the announcement himself.
I've heard conflicting things about whether or not Mark Kelly gets to take his seat in Arizona immediately after the election or not. Is that true? If that's true than stopping this could be very doable.
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I might have bought that before 2016. But things have gotten drastically worse since then, and if you think they can't get worse still I've got a bridge to sell you.
I mean Trump and friends are joking about sticking Democrat Congresspeople in jail, you think they won't actually start doing that if they win again? Go look at some of the right-wing nonsense states with GOP leaders pull.
Fuck each and everyone of these shitlords.
that is again entirely not the point but this has very little do with the thread anymore
They're not joking. They never joke. Utterly humorless individuals.
"Joking" is just priming people to accept it.
Again, that doesn't reflect reality. They genuinely believe this stuff. For most of them, it's a religious argument, Sure, for some, it's a control fetish, but if all you care about is power, then repealing RvW does fuckall for that. They obtain power specifically to repeal RvW. This has been discussed numerous times. It's the same thing with most of their other stances. removing LGBTQ protections/rights does fuckall for gaining power. They genuinely believe it's "bad" on religious grounds and they achieve power specifically to enable that viewpoint. The list goes on and on.
The left doesn't want abortions just as much as the right doesn't We just try to achieve that in a more realistic fashion, by improving healthcare/science so that even for the couple that wants the pregnancy, they never have to face the possibility that something could go wrong with the pregnancy and they never have to face the choice of having to terminate to save the mother's life.
..or by improving contraceptives and education so that pregnancy is a choice, not an accident. It's a fact that abstinence-only doesn't work very well.
The right takes a desired outcome (no abortions) and works backwards. This has shown time and time again, it doesn't work. The left's approach is far more realistic. we ask ourselves why people have abortions in the first place and go forward from there. We already know what happens when abortions are outlawed. Women have back alley abortions anyway, or find other crappy ways to make it happen, This is specifically why it was ultimately legalized. One's views on abortions one way or the other is not a path to power in itself. you achieve power to enact that viewpoint because you genuinely believe it's the correct action to take. Your viewpoint basically turns the GOP into mustache twirling villains, and again, that just doesn't reflect reality. Everyone is the hero of their own story. They genuinely buy into these ideas. Yes, plenty of them are hypocritical and think it's okay for them to have an abortion, but not "the other" but again, that idea does not pan out over the long term.
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You must not remember all the anti-gay 'pubs who got caught with "bag boys" and other situations. Or Falwell.
They don't believe shit. Not the ones in power. The reason to overturn RvW, LGBTQ rights, etc, is to strip power, privilege, and rights away from those groups, to create more "others" they can scapegoat and hurt for their own enjoyment
Just absolutely torturing language and any sense of logic.
Fucking assholes. I know it was obvious that they would pull this , but have some values and norms. You held this up last time so the people could have a say, do it again you spineless shit heads.
The point isn't to have values it's to cajole the government into being what they want it to be for generations.
I guess there's a glimmer of hope McConnell will fail to push it through. Doubt it though.
remember three Republican votes are mulligans
nothing matters until a fourth says they are against it
Somebody should legit ask him if he can even remember a time when he knew what integrity was and just how happy he is to have forgotten it.
I was gonna talk about the lack of a spine and compare him to an animal but then I remembered the no nickname rules and such. But, and I'm not saying there is, but if there is a race of lizard people walking around in human skin, ted cruz is their leader.
This state sucks. I'm pretty openly liberal but thats borne more out of an increasing combativeness on my part. Like yeah I'm a fucking liberal you cocked up shit, say something to my face about it. But I still have to keep my head down at work, or I'd straight up get fired. It seems like virtually every person I interact with on a day to day basis is a dyed in the wool, full bore MAGA nut job who believes oh my God just the dumbest shit. All ages. Young, old doesn't matter.
People who didn't want to go see the new Star Wars because they were afraid of Rey having a romantic plot with "that colored guy." People who didn't want to let their kids see Frozen II because they heard there might be lesbians or something in it. Every day this shit. Basic human decency is in seemingly short supply here.
I don't know how or if you can even fix this state. I'm actually flabbergasted Jamie Harrison is tied with Lindsey Graham in the polls right now. Like, that shouldn't even be possible.
I kinda lost the plot of my original thought here beyond "Lindsey Graham can eat 13 whole ass whale dicks" and "don't come to SC"
Like do the ratfucking thing to the GOP for once. Have this asshole try playing defense on what a hypocritical shit he has been his entire life.
Edit. A lot of SC voter probably already know too, but rub their nose in it. Make them vote for the gay candidate. Depress their turnout.
It is 100% about punishing the group(s) they don't like. There is no real logic behind it. If you press them on it you'll get some vague mumbles about religion but the honest answer is they don't know they just don't like them, and what we don't like we hurt and kill and drive out with stones. The cruelty is absolutely, undeniably the giant fucking point. Losing this Supreme Court seat is just one more thing to help "legitimize" the persecution of minorities. Its the big red seal on their holy fucking mandate. The Lindsey Grahams and the Mitch McConnells all figured out how to use that mandate to get rich and wield power. Maybe they taste a little of their own supply, I dunno. It doesn't really matter.
I mean... The vassal swarm of PACs surrounding every candidate exists explicitly to make it possible to do this kind of shit without actually lowering yourself to it.
On the other hand, this kind of thing would have to be done *VERY* carefully in this age. Back in the bygone days when outing your opponent as a Homo sapiens in the last days of the campaign could clinch it for you, it wouldn't matter because there was no party on the side of gays. However, it has to be considered that in this age outing Graham this way would more likely deliver his seat into the hands of somebody much worse (with all the additional -isms and -phobias that would come attached, not just homo- and trans-)
It has to be done in context of the harm he's done to others while protecting and elevating himself for the same things. It has to be in the context of advancing equality. And if the stars could align strategically, I would prefer not to see it attempted unless an openly homosexual candidate were running against him, for multiple reasons. Not the least of which is that the optics of a straight man saying, "Vote for me, the other guy is gay," are FUUUUUUUU
Edit: Alternately, egg on some whackadoodle wingnut to make it the whole point of his primary campaign and hope it doesn't bring about my primary fear of doing this - that it'll just put somebody worse there when the dust settles.
This is why I had to delete my Facebook and get rid of a lot of friends. If you support Trump, you're not a conservitave republican , you're a straight up asshole
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And when it comes to it, whey will budget those first three. Remember, McCain was not the only Republican to vote against the ACA repeal, he was the only one crucified for it. He was the one they didn't give permission to vote against it, who risked nothing either way.
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we now also have Murkowski saying no vote before the election, bringing us a step closer to these principled stances possibly mattering
(url lists Collins but the article is about both)
Oh, it might have an effect... It would definitely help get us somebody like Steve King in the seat.
And people call me an optimist, because I think that probably the SCOTUS isn't used for the election and the 6/3 thing gets sorted out if we win the Senate.
Fuck everything about this.
I don’t think ramming through a justice in a manner already being reported as massively hypocritical is going to be great for him either.
And if Collins is against this travesty on principal then I'd have a hard time believing Murkowski won't be either, since they are often in agreement and I guess are close?
Romney's aid sarcastically denying the report that he's against this is worrying, but I'd also have a hard time believe Romney would be OK with not doing the right thing, especially if Collins and Murk have already publicly stated it as such and it's another chance to poke Trump in the eye. He voted for impeachment FFS. Conservatives will still have a majority if Ginsberg's seat is filled by Biden. Maybe Romney just wants to make the announcement himself.
I've heard conflicting things about whether or not Mark Kelly gets to take his seat in Arizona immediately after the election or not. Is that true? If that's true than stopping this could be very doable.