It's possible that it could go the other way - Trump has done lasting damage to the Republican party, and permanently lowers their overall voting base by some amount.
In another 4 years more of their older base will have died, after all, and they seem to have taken a hit in the college educated / middle class suburban vote pool. They may not fully recover the latter now those voters are no longer reflexively voting Republican, so to speak; once that habit is broken, it's no longer a default action?
Edit - sorry, this was in response to TheBigEasy on the previous page, and I didn't hit "quote".
It's possible that it could go the other way - Trump has done lasting damage to the Republican party, and permanently lowers their overall voting base by some amount.
In another 4 years more of their older base will have died, after all, and they seem to have taken a hit in the college educated / middle class suburban vote pool. They may not fully recover the latter now those voters are no longer reflexively voting Republican, so to speak; once that habit is broken, it's no longer a default action?
Edit - sorry, this was in response to TheBigEasy on the previous page, and I didn't hit "quote".
I have not actually listened to Trump speak since like...the third debate four years ago. Not sure if I want to break that streak or not.
How? Did you invest in a bunker and consume only written media? I don't watch his speeches but I find his soundbites inescapable which makes them all the more infuriating.
I have not actually listened to Trump speak since like...the third debate four years ago. Not sure if I want to break that streak or not.
How? Did you invest in a bunker and consume only written media? I don't watch his speeches but I find his soundbites inescapable which makes them all the more infuriating.
Ad Blocked internet and no live TV pretty much covers it and isn't that uncommon among our generation.
I forgot the debate was tonight. I may watch. I am half interested to see if Biden just smacks him around verbally or if Trump cries.
But at the same time a new book in a series I like dropped and video games seem so much better for my mental health.
You know it will be. You'll get nothing from watching the debate live besides rage and maybe schadenfreude if Trump has a big enough screwup. Highlights the next day will be more than enough for me. Imma play some Satisfactory and go to bed at a reasonable hour.
I forgot the debate was tonight. I may watch. I am half interested to see if Biden just smacks him around verbally or if Trump cries.
But at the same time a new book in a series I like dropped and video games seem so much better for my mental health.
You know it will be. You'll get nothing from watching the debate live besides rage and maybe schadenfreude if Trump has a big enough screwup. Highlights the next day will be more than enough for me. Imma play some Satisfactory and go to bed at a reasonable hour.
This is a good plan. Otherwise we'll all end up spending the night re-enacting Mrs. White's "flames, flames on the side of my face" scene from Clue all night long.
If Trump doesn't literally shit himself on stage I would expect to see some TRUMP FIGHTS BACK headlines tomorrow.
Even if Trump literally does shit himself on state, I'd still expect to see those headlines from the usual suspects.
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Debates seem like a relic from a time when both sides agreed what the problem was and both had some level of solution for it. Then you could say oh maybe I'll vote for Kang since his plan sounds more reasonable or something. When the two sides can't even agree what the problems are the word debate loses some meaning.
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I guess if you have no idea what their platforms are it could be informative but I can't imagine that is the case for most people.
Kudos to those with the mental fortitude to observe Trump verbally secreting mind poison for the duration of the debate. The bubbling cauldron of feelings that he elicits...I cannot personally endure prolonged exposure.
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Mrs. Red Robe wants to watch so we probably will but I'm definitely stopping on the way home to pick up supplies (read: alcohol).
I forgot the debate was tonight. I may watch. I am half interested to see if Biden just smacks him around verbally or if Trump cries.
But at the same time a new book in a series I like dropped and video games seem so much better for my mental health.
You know it will be. You'll get nothing from watching the debate live besides rage and maybe schadenfreude if Trump has a big enough screwup. Highlights the next day will be more than enough for me. Imma play some Satisfactory and go to bed at a reasonable hour.
Just be careful if looking for highlights- the meta analysis (the analysis of “how they did” not the analysis of “are these positions conducive to continued human civilization,” which I don’t think really exists) bullshit will be all over and viewing it is likely to injure you
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Debates seem like a relic from a time when both sides agreed what the problem was and both had some level of solution for it. Then you could say oh maybe I'll vote for Kang since his plan sounds more reasonable or something. When the two sides can't even agree what the problems are the word debate loses some meaning.
Question: Climate change is happening what should we do? We should try and fix it. Fake news/ Its fine/ But businesses!
I guess if you have no idea what their platforms are it could be informative but I can't imagine that is the case for most people.
I used to be mystified that the "undecided voter" still existed in the Octobers of 2012, 2008, etc...
I don't know what the fuck a debate is supposed to accomplish in the year of our lord 2020, other than feeding chum to the media machine.
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Debates seem like a relic from a time when both sides agreed what the problem was and both had some level of solution for it. Then you could say oh maybe I'll vote for Kang since his plan sounds more reasonable or something. When the two sides can't even agree what the problems are the word debate loses some meaning.
Question: Climate change is happening what should we do? We should try and fix it. Fake news/ Its fine/ But businesses!
I guess if you have no idea what their platforms are it could be informative but I can't imagine that is the case for most people.
I used to be mystified that the "undecided voter" still existed in the Octobers of 2012, 2008, etc...
I don't know what the fuck a debate is supposed to accomplish in the year of our lord 2020, other than feeding chum to the media machine.
I expect Biden to needle Trump about his COVID response, “losers and suckers,” and being a fake billionaire enough to solicit a reaction that defines the debate that causes GOP reactionary fallout for a few days. Probably saying something extraordinarily stupid, with Trump walking off the debate stage in anger mid-debate and later shit posting about it as the best I can realistically expect.
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I have not actually listened to Trump speak since like...the third debate four years ago. Not sure if I want to break that streak or not.
Normally I am not going to give Trump the attention, but the debates are one of the few events that almost certainly matter at least a little in a Presidential election. If it was just about who I was voting for in the general election, I could skip any political news at least until 2025.
I want to see just how often Biden can throw the taxes in his face. It should be very often. IMO they shouldn't even debate policy with him at this point, they should be highlighting that he's likely a broke criminal and unfit to hold office. His policy positions are irrelevant because he's compromised, and he's been refusing to pay in to the very government he's tasked with leading.
Debates seem like a relic from a time when both sides agreed what the problem was and both had some level of solution for it. Then you could say oh maybe I'll vote for Kang since his plan sounds more reasonable or something. When the two sides can't even agree what the problems are the word debate loses some meaning.
Question: Climate change is happening what should we do? We should try and fix it. Fake news/ Its fine/ But businesses!
I guess if you have no idea what their platforms are it could be informative but I can't imagine that is the case for most people.
It does force the candidates to directly contrast each other with less overt over the top spin. Trump can say Biden is hiding in his basement dying of senility on FoxNews all day, but when Biden is next to him visibly more virile and coherent it makes that bullshit more obviously bullshit.
I’ll be watching the debates because if I’m not watching something bad might happen, like a pleasant evening free of hate.
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I've not watched Trump speak in about four years but impressions of Trump are so inescapable that I feel I've seen every single speech he's given.
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I'm not gonna watch it because I don't need an ulcer.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I am definitely leaving it to the few brave souls in this thread who are actually going to watch. To quote one of the wisest men I've ever heard "If I have a choice between watching this debate or giving birth to a flaming porcupine I'm going to look into that second, far less painful option."
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I am going in-person to register to vote today (because it’s p much the only option available given my personal situation)
I am both excited and deeply, deeply anxious because personal interaction
I've not watched Trump speak in about four years but impressions of Trump are so inescapable that I feel I've seen every single speech he's given.
If it wasn't for sound bites and news clips on late night type shows like LWT, Colbert and Meyers, then I wouldn't have in the last couple years. If I see him on the news, or the like, I'll hit mute or change the channel. There's something about his voice/speech patterns, that even without the context of his words, is just offputting. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Add in the context of his words, and yeah, just blind rage, followed by constant bewilderment of people who actually cheer that shit on.
So, I'll be noping out of this, from a live perspective. Following whichever thread is allotted to it, and reading/listening to things after the fact. I mean, there's nothing that could happen that would change my mind, and as a non-citizen, it wouldn't influence my (lack of) vote.
Part of me is just flat out disgusted by the idea of Trump standing on the same stage as Joe Biden and being treated as some kind of equal. As a viable other party alternative for the office of President. Joe Biden isn't as progressive as a Democrat could be, and he just flat out gets some things wrong, but Joe Biden is still a good person who runs for office to enrich the lives of others, not himself and its just gross for him to have to stand next to Donald Trump.
Trump is such a degenerative garbage monster and has proven it time and time again over his Presidency that it makes me a little physically ill to think about a good faith debate between the two of them. I can't see or hear Trump anymore without thinking immediately of how many people have died of Covid19 specifically because he's a such a self centered coward.
He deserves to be rotting in a prison cell, not on a stage with people asking him questions like he's got any fucking clue about anything in his vapid trash head or gives one actual shit about anyone else but himself.
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CNN: $25 million in deductions for “consulting fees” lines up with pay statements for daughter from her self-owned firm
I've not watched Trump speak in about four years but impressions of Trump are so inescapable that I feel I've seen every single speech he's given.
If it wasn't for sound bites and news clips on late night type shows like LWT, Colbert and Meyers, then I wouldn't have in the last couple years. If I see him on the news, or the like, I'll hit mute or change the channel. There's something about his voice/speech patterns, that even without the context of his words, is just offputting. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Add in the context of his words, and yeah, just blind rage, followed by constant bewilderment of people who actually cheer that shit on.
So, I'll be noping out of this, from a live perspective. Following whichever thread is allotted to it, and reading/listening to things after the fact. I mean, there's nothing that could happen that would change my mind, and as a non-citizen, it wouldn't influence my (lack of) vote.
His speech pattern is of a southern baptist preacher 'explaining' the something to his congregation (his base). It works because people used to being talked to in this manner eat this shit up.
I heard it every Sunday as a child and its the most grating way words can exit the mouth of another human being. I cant stand it, and I get mad when I even hear the orange moron speak.
That being said, hopefully watching Biden stomp him in the ground during the debate may just be worth it.
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Every time I've seen Trump confronted by someone that has actual follow-ups he falls apart at the seems or runs away from the podium.
He essentially has not had to "debate" anyone since Clinton. He did really badly there generally and just by watching rally videos from 4 years ago to now, you can see that even by Trump standards he's lost whatever sort of charisma or energy he had.
I give it a 20% chance he runs out of the debate. Biden just has to bring up how poor he is a few times and he will tailspin.
Every time I've seen Trump confronted by someone that has actual follow-ups he falls apart at the seems or runs away from the podium.
He essentially has not had to "debate" anyone since Clinton. He did really badly there generally and just by watching rally videos from 4 years ago to now, you can see that even by Trump standards he's lost whatever sort of charisma or energy he had.
I give it a 20% chance he runs out of the debate. Biden just has to bring up how poor he is a few times and he will tailspin.
They've even been seeding friendly journalists in the press pool so they can run away from hard questions. I really suspect he's not ready, either mentally or temperamentally, for this.
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Ditto.
It was fun to watch someone like Obama take his opponents to task.
I’m not especially interested in nonstop lying and insults followed by acclaim for Trump not personally bursting in to flames.
In another 4 years more of their older base will have died, after all, and they seem to have taken a hit in the college educated / middle class suburban vote pool. They may not fully recover the latter now those voters are no longer reflexively voting Republican, so to speak; once that habit is broken, it's no longer a default action?
Edit - sorry, this was in response to TheBigEasy on the previous page, and I didn't hit "quote".
True, that is a distinct possibility as well.
How? Did you invest in a bunker and consume only written media? I don't watch his speeches but I find his soundbites inescapable which makes them all the more infuriating.
Gonna do some heavy alcohol though.
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Ad Blocked internet and no live TV pretty much covers it and isn't that uncommon among our generation.
But at the same time a new book in a series I like dropped and video games seem so much better for my mental health.
You know it will be. You'll get nothing from watching the debate live besides rage and maybe schadenfreude if Trump has a big enough screwup. Highlights the next day will be more than enough for me. Imma play some Satisfactory and go to bed at a reasonable hour.
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This is a good plan. Otherwise we'll all end up spending the night re-enacting Mrs. White's "flames, flames on the side of my face" scene from Clue all night long.
Even if Trump literally does shit himself on state, I'd still expect to see those headlines from the usual suspects.
Question: Climate change is happening what should we do?
We should try and fix it.
Fake news/ Its fine/ But businesses!
I guess if you have no idea what their platforms are it could be informative but I can't imagine that is the case for most people.
Law and Order ≠ Justice
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Just be careful if looking for highlights- the meta analysis (the analysis of “how they did” not the analysis of “are these positions conducive to continued human civilization,” which I don’t think really exists) bullshit will be all over and viewing it is likely to injure you
Same here, Mrs Mittens plans to watch so I checked our liquor stocks and need to grab some bourbon and scotch this afternoon.
I used to be mystified that the "undecided voter" still existed in the Octobers of 2012, 2008, etc...
I don't know what the fuck a debate is supposed to accomplish in the year of our lord 2020, other than feeding chum to the media machine.
ding ding ding ding ding!
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Normally I am not going to give Trump the attention, but the debates are one of the few events that almost certainly matter at least a little in a Presidential election. If it was just about who I was voting for in the general election, I could skip any political news at least until 2025.
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It does force the candidates to directly contrast each other with less overt over the top spin. Trump can say Biden is hiding in his basement dying of senility on FoxNews all day, but when Biden is next to him visibly more virile and coherent it makes that bullshit more obviously bullshit.
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I am both excited and deeply, deeply anxious because personal interaction
If it wasn't for sound bites and news clips on late night type shows like LWT, Colbert and Meyers, then I wouldn't have in the last couple years. If I see him on the news, or the like, I'll hit mute or change the channel. There's something about his voice/speech patterns, that even without the context of his words, is just offputting. Like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Add in the context of his words, and yeah, just blind rage, followed by constant bewilderment of people who actually cheer that shit on.
So, I'll be noping out of this, from a live perspective. Following whichever thread is allotted to it, and reading/listening to things after the fact. I mean, there's nothing that could happen that would change my mind, and as a non-citizen, it wouldn't influence my (lack of) vote.
Trump is such a degenerative garbage monster and has proven it time and time again over his Presidency that it makes me a little physically ill to think about a good faith debate between the two of them. I can't see or hear Trump anymore without thinking immediately of how many people have died of Covid19 specifically because he's a such a self centered coward.
He deserves to be rotting in a prison cell, not on a stage with people asking him questions like he's got any fucking clue about anything in his vapid trash head or gives one actual shit about anyone else but himself.
Looks like Trump’s favorite private consultant was . . . Ivanka’s Money Laundering & Tax Fraud Consultants, Inc
CNN: $25 million in deductions for “consulting fees” lines up with pay statements for daughter from her self-owned firm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/ivanka-trump-donald-trump-tacves/index.html
His speech pattern is of a southern baptist preacher 'explaining' the something to his congregation (his base). It works because people used to being talked to in this manner eat this shit up.
I heard it every Sunday as a child and its the most grating way words can exit the mouth of another human being. I cant stand it, and I get mad when I even hear the orange moron speak.
That being said, hopefully watching Biden stomp him in the ground during the debate may just be worth it.
If it helps your nerves, even if this does happen it won’t change anything
He essentially has not had to "debate" anyone since Clinton. He did really badly there generally and just by watching rally videos from 4 years ago to now, you can see that even by Trump standards he's lost whatever sort of charisma or energy he had.
I give it a 20% chance he runs out of the debate. Biden just has to bring up how poor he is a few times and he will tailspin.
They've even been seeding friendly journalists in the press pool so they can run away from hard questions. I really suspect he's not ready, either mentally or temperamentally, for this.
And the tax thing is sure to have him on edge.