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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    It is a huge risk for other colonial nations.

    I know heaps of Aussies and Kiwis who have been saying, ‘glad we’re nothing like the USA’. Yes we are! We are just wilfully ignorant and a lot of our fascists are still saying the quiet part, quietly. Same deal as Canada, imo

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Aussies have been doing a lot of the stuff which the US only ramped up under Trump, if I'm not mistaken. It's just off on islands and not on the mainland so it gets less attention.

    On the spectrum, I think New Zealand is the best at reckoning with their history, but "not wanting to own up to having benefited from the monstrous actions of our predecessors" is a pretty universal problem.

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    claiming to have a great civilization that makes wondrous advancements in science and culture that benefit all humanity, but building that civilization with slaves on land cleared by genocide, is pretty shaky rhetorical and moral ground to stand on. best to just ignore all the unpleasant shit, especially because ignoring it allows one to also ignore that the unpleasant shit never even ended

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    reminder that the RCMP was literally created to oppress canada's indigenous population.

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    okay you win

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Goatmon wrote: »


    oh wow, the Right really is buying into the Space Invaders thing, huh?

    It tickles me that right wingers were god damn giddy because they thought they finally had a body they could point to as evidence of antifa killing people.

    But WHOOPS, dude's a fucking Pinkerton. lmao

    Well there was that guy in Portland, they seem to have stopped talking about that one for some reason. Maybe they executed the suspect too quickly?


    oh don't worry, Trump's still talking about him

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Watch the Pinkerton get convicted and Kyle Rittenhouse get acquitted.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    What I can't get over with the Portland shooter is that the guy had a serious and credible self-defense argument. Obviously even cases where its just straight up cut and dried murder they should take them alive for a civilized trial but jesus.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    The right crows about self-defense because in reality they want to be able to legally murder (black, brown, queer, trans) people, but when someone on the left claims self-defense they don't believe it because that's never what they mean.

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    He was armed with a fuckin' gummy worm and a cell phone, and murdered extrajudiciously. Definitely no conflicts of interest between law enforcement agencies.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    the term for the primary boot/os drive in PCs was master, and secondaries were known as slave drives

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    the term for the primary boot/os drive in PCs was master, and secondaries were known as slave drives

    Yeah. It's specifically about tech terms which are potentially loaded terms which are so ingrained we don't think about them.

    https://www.wired.com/story/tech-confronts-use-labels-master-slave/

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited October 16
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    While master/slave is obviously problematic, blacklist is stretching it. That one dates back centuries (to at least the early 1600s per Wikipedia)

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  • ElaroElaro Threadkiller, Harbinger of the Lock GodsRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    While master/slave is obviously problematic, blacklist is stretching it. That one dates back centuries (to at least the early 1600s per Wikipedia)

    It's not about the pedigree. It's about the connotation. "Blacklist", without context, doesn't indicate anything, no more than "whitelist". But the association "blacklist = deny, whitelist = allow", you're saying "black bad, white good", which is problematic.

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    While master/slave is obviously problematic, blacklist is stretching it. That one dates back centuries (to at least the early 1600s per Wikipedia)

    It's not about the pedigree. It's about the connotation. "Blacklist", without context, doesn't indicate anything, no more than "whitelist". But the association "blacklist = deny, whitelist = allow", you're saying "black bad, white good", which is problematic.

    I feel like going too far down that path leads to us thinking that older instances of “black = bad” has to do with racism and not to do with, like, our nature as a diurnal species

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  • ElaroElaro Threadkiller, Harbinger of the Lock GodsRegistered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    While master/slave is obviously problematic, blacklist is stretching it. That one dates back centuries (to at least the early 1600s per Wikipedia)

    It's not about the pedigree. It's about the connotation. "Blacklist", without context, doesn't indicate anything, no more than "whitelist". But the association "blacklist = deny, whitelist = allow", you're saying "black bad, white good", which is problematic.

    I feel like going too far down that path leads to us thinking that older instances of “black = bad” has to do with racism and not to do with, like, our nature as a diurnal species

    You're confusing "black" with "dark"?

    Also! 1600s? That's when the slave trade got going in earnest!

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Blacklist and whitelist always felt like dumb shorthands in search of better nomenclature, like Allowed and Restricted.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Elaro wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Just had an "oh geez" moment when one of my coworkers posted an article about use of some loaded terms which I had never really thought about (blacklist/whitelist, master/slave, etc), and trying to use other terms instead (deny/allowlists, host/device, etc).

    It was a good in-the-moment examination to check biases.

    While master/slave is obviously problematic, blacklist is stretching it. That one dates back centuries (to at least the early 1600s per Wikipedia)

    It's not about the pedigree. It's about the connotation. "Blacklist", without context, doesn't indicate anything, no more than "whitelist". But the association "blacklist = deny, whitelist = allow", you're saying "black bad, white good", which is problematic.

    I feel like going too far down that path leads to us thinking that older instances of “black = bad” has to do with racism and not to do with, like, our nature as a diurnal species

    You're confusing "black" with "dark"?

    Also! 1600s? That's when the slave trade got going in earnest!

    No, the color black has an association with evil that dates back to antiquity. That's where the word blacklist comes from - a literal list of criminals.

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited October 16
    At a certain point we're getting into linguistics, where yes, black (or its equivalent - remember that color is not a linguistic constant) frequently has a negative association.

    If we want to go that route though, we can look at it instead in the other direction, and the usage of the word black to describe a very wide range of skin tones (which is not to say that skin tone is the whole of race, and once you expand things beyond simply skin tone, the suggestions of black or white become even more jarring).

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Also let's be careful not to directly associate criminality and evil here

    Especially when the crime in question is as cool as deposing the King of England

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Ain't no cide like a regicide.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    At a certain point we're getting into linguistics, where yes, black (or its equivalent - remember that color is not a linguistic constant) frequently has a negative association.

    If we want to go that route though, we can look at it instead in the other direction, and the usage of the word black to describe a very wide range of skin tones (which is not to say that skin tone is the whole of race, and once you expand things beyond simply skin tone, the suggestions of black or white become even more jarring).

    Odysseus was described as black skinned and blue haired by Homer and in modern Greek black as a descriptor for skinis used to describe getting a sun tan. Just as an example how black-evil wasn't always clear cut.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    We here at Singularity Engine do not endorse the cool cool crime of beheading a European monarch.

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    Gundi wrote: »
    We here at Singularity Engine do not endorse the cool cool crime of beheading a European monarch.

    But extortion is cool. Because of the X.

  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    We here at Singularity Engine do not endorse the cool cool crime of beheading a European monarch.

    Like fuck we don’t!

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    We here at Singularity Engine do not endorse the cool cool crime of beheading a European monarch.

    Like fuck we don’t!

    No cops, no kings.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    At a certain point we're getting into linguistics, where yes, black (or its equivalent - remember that color is not a linguistic constant) frequently has a negative association.

    If we want to go that route though, we can look at it instead in the other direction, and the usage of the word black to describe a very wide range of skin tones (which is not to say that skin tone is the whole of race, and once you expand things beyond simply skin tone, the suggestions of black or white become even more jarring).

    Odysseus was described as black skinned and blue haired by Homer and in modern Greek black as a descriptor for skinis used to describe getting a sun tan. Just as an example how black-evil wasn't always clear cut.

    It probably meant more leathery, but how ancient Greeks used color to indicate action as well as appearance is actually pretty fascinating

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    Restoring a guillotine is it's own reward.

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  • MidniteMidnite Down by the bonfireRegistered User regular
    edited October 17

    Right wing activists seem to be assaulting the houseless in Downtown Portland.

    Laura's thread there has video of physical violence, against both homeless and nazis. Just a warning.

    edit- tweet was deleted. Here's one with more up to date information.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    So remember that white woman trying to get the police to kill the Black birdwatcher who told her to control her dog?

    When the police didn't immediately arrive guns blazing after her first call, she made a second 911 call claiming that he tried to assault her. She really wanted to see some murder happen before her eyes.

    Anyway, it came up because she finally went before a judge and it's part of the charges against her.

  • ThatDudeOverThereThatDudeOverThere Clock King Registered User regular
    hoo boy

    in other news, y'all been hearing about the shitty white canadians getting up in the business of indigenous lobster fishermen recently?

    and how the RCMP have just kinda let them do it?

    anyway they burned down the factory where they processed the lobster

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I never thought I'd see the day where black America would try to cancel ice cube over his unwillingness to suck the collective phallus of the Democratic Party.

    And yet here we are

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    I never thought I'd see the day where black America would try to cancel ice cube over his unwillingness to suck the collective phallus of the Democratic Party.

    And yet here we are

    ice cube is a raging anti-semite who idolizes louis farrakhan

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    I never thought I'd see the day where black America would try to cancel ice cube over his unwillingness to suck the collective phallus of the Democratic Party.

    And yet here we are

    ice cube is a raging anti-semite who idolizes louis farrakhan

    yeah ok but the Dems also blew him off "until after the election" while the GOP did not.

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