The 2020 Vice Presidential Debate

Quid

DoctorArch wrote: »

Harris: "Joe biden saved the auto industry and you voted against it."

Best part was she was given 15 seconds and actually stuck with it.

FoolOnTheHill

Jragghen wrote: »

Fracking is one of the few new sources of income which has come to rural America the past few decades - companies roll in, pay for the use of your land, pump income into the local community via temporary construction jobs, etc.

I'm not sure if you're arguing for fracking or just pointing out why it's popular, but what happens when those fracking sites are no longer profitable? This is just the next evolution of coal towns. As someone from PA, I don't exactly see fracking as a long term solution but as another way to loot poor areas, then cut and run and leave locals to pick up the pieces.

Blackhawk1313

Pence on China: Let’s talk about NAFTA... this fucking guy...

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Quid

"How would you describe U.S.-China relations?"

"I'd love to address that but I want to address something else first." Goes on about the Green New Deal more.

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Blackhawk1313

China is to blame for the coronavirus. There it is. Go go xenophobia action.

Commander Zoom

FoolOnTheHill wrote: »

Jragghen wrote: »

Fracking is one of the few new sources of income which has come to rural America the past few decades - companies roll in, pay for the use of your land, pump income into the local community via temporary construction jobs, etc.

I'm not sure if you're arguing for fracking or just pointing out why it's popular, but what happens when those fracking sites are no longer profitable? This is just the next evolution of coal towns. As someone from PA, I don't exactly see fracking as a long term solution but as another way to loot poor areas, then cut and run and leave locals to pick up the pieces.

The American Way! :rotate:

Quid

Also I really, really hope tomorrow's highlights include Pence ignoring and interrupting both women present.

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Kruite

I really wish Harris would point out that Fracking regulation should be left to the states, many of which have banned it.
Also, the free market is killing coal and fracking; they need oil to be $70/barrel for those operations to be profitable. Increased production in the middle east is killing all new fracking operations.

Roz

As I look at what's going on. Both of them make sense as VPs. They aren't as inspiring, bold, or active on the stage as their heads of the ticket.

They are distilled gestalt versions of what their educated bases on both sides want.

notya

Pence is actually good at this. The way he speaks, his tone, his rhythm. Obviously the content is bullshit. But maybe I've become far to used to hearing people like trump speak.

Drez

I'm really confused.

Why does Pence think Biden and Harris want to ban futuristic Cylon sex?

Blackhawk1313

Glad Kamala brought up then fucking up our international standing.

CptHamilton

Much like the previous shit-show, I appreciate that every time she gets 2 minutes, Harris takes an opportunity to look into the camera and talk to America.

Pence has done that exactly once and looked distinctly uncomfortable doing it (with his weird left covid-eye).

Krathoon

Oh. Obama had a pandemic team. I didn't know about that.

Quid

Harris same question: "The Trump admin's approach to China has resulted in the loss of American lives, jobs, and standards. There's a weird obsession Trump has had to get rid of every accomplishment of Obama and Biden. They got rid of the pandemic team. They got rid of the monitors in China."

She's dodging it but I get not wanting to sum up an incredibly complex topic like that in two minutes.

ED!

So no opinion on CHINA then.

Blackhawk1313 wrote: »

Glad Kamala brought up then fucking up our international standing.

. . .as opposed to actually answering the question?

Fencingsax

Krathoon wrote: »

Oh. Obama had a pandemic team. I didn't know about that.

The Trump Administration disbanded it.

OneAngryPossum

notya wrote: »

Pence is actually good at this. The way he speaks, his tone, his rhythm. Obviously the content is bullshit. But maybe I've become far to used to hearing people like trump speak.

It’s the Applebee’s of hateful, smarmy bullshit to Trump’s off-brand MacDennis’s Hamburgery.

DoctorArch

Kamala had a very nice moment there talking about a conversation she had with Biden. You can tell she genuinely likes him.

They'll make a nice pair.

Quid

ED! wrote: »

So no opinion on CHINA then.

That topic is way, way too broad and regularly changing for the format. I don't blame either for talking around it.

Chanus

Krathoon wrote: »

Oh. Obama had a pandemic team. I didn't know about that.

a team and an action plan in place for literally this situation, developed after the ebola crisis that actually made it to the US

trump fired the team and scrapped the action plan

Blackhawk1313

She did just mention explicitly how they have caused the international community to view Trump as worse than China.

dispatch.o

Oh yaas. Friends. Get 'em on Putin and Russia. The lawyer time she comes.

zepherin

FoolOnTheHill wrote: »

Jragghen wrote: »

Fracking is one of the few new sources of income which has come to rural America the past few decades - companies roll in, pay for the use of your land, pump income into the local community via temporary construction jobs, etc.

I'm not sure if you're arguing for fracking or just pointing out why it's popular, but what happens when those fracking sites are no longer profitable? This is just the next evolution of coal towns. As someone from PA, I don't exactly see fracking as a long term solution but as another way to loot poor areas, then cut and run and leave locals to pick up the pieces.

I mean I am for fracking, but it’s because I think we should be working for energy security. I also think we should be using large scale nuclear wind and solar.

SniperGuy

Pence is a slimy nightmare hiding in a nice suit, and Kamala is treating him like a child, which is great. But then she's like "we're not gonna ban fracking!" and I'm like...but maybe you could though?

No-Quarter

CptHamilton wrote: »

Much like the previous shit-show, I appreciate that every time she gets 2 minutes, Harris takes an opportunity to look into the camera and talk to America.

Pence has done that exactly once and looked distinctly uncomfortable doing it (with his weird left covid-eye).

I've seen people say that Pence speaks to Trump.

Audience of one.

Quid

"Trump takes the word of Vladimir Putin over the intelligence community."

Yasssssssss

Captain Inertia

My wife turned this on and I really wish she hadn’t

CptHamilton

notya wrote: »

Pence is actually good at this. The way he speaks, his tone, his rhythm. Obviously the content is bullshit. But maybe I've become far to used to hearing people like trump speak.

Pence is okay. This is what normal debates look like. Trump turned every GOP debate into a carnival during his primary and every debate since his nomination into a horror show. Pence is just acting like a normal, adult human politician. He hits his talking points. He hasn't said anything actually inspiring or impressive or made any solid points against Harris. Trump's just driven our expectations so low that he looks good by not shitting himself.

ED!

Fencingsax wrote: »

Krathoon wrote: »

Oh. Obama had a pandemic team. I didn't know about that.

The Trump Administration disbanded it.

Depends on who you ask.

Drez

SniperGuy wrote: »

Pence is a slimy nightmare hiding in a nice suit, and Kamala is treating him like a child, which is great. But then she's like "we're not gonna ban fracking!" and I'm like...but maybe you could though?

Yeah I agree, but clearly Biden and Harris decided to back away from the hardline on fracking.

They decided on...

...backfracking

dispatch.o

Harris taking notes and looking professional. Pence being a tool and trying to 9/11 Isis this shit.

Zibblsnrt

mcdermott wrote: »

Chanus wrote: »

mcdermott wrote: »

Did I miss something? Is there a huge portion of the electorate that cares deeply about keeping up on fracking?

a huge portion of trump's electorate

How the hell did they get people to fold fracking into identity politics? To the point that Biden is afraid of being seen as anti-fracking? What the fuck?

Cleek's Law is a very real thing - there are a lot of people who incorporate something (or opposing something) into their worldview on a fundamental level specifically because people they see as liberals have a different opinion on it. Think all the people without an iota of tech background who suddenly started having really strong opinions about net neutrality within hours of Obama first saying something favoring it.

Past that, the oil/gas industry has a kind of mass siege mentality going on. Question any part of it and you're The Enemy because it clearly means you hate the whole thing.

Aridhol

I feel like some folks are watching a different debate.
I think pence is doing shitty and just repeating old right wing talking points and I dunno who that's for.
He hasn't given 2 shits about the american people in any answer.

ED!

Quid wrote: »

ED! wrote: »

So no opinion on CHINA then.

That topic is way, way too broad and regularly changing for the format. I don't blame either for talking around it.

I'm not sure how broad a question it is to ask a candidate their general opinions regarding another foreign power and how such can impact the American voter. It isn't like CHINA is Some Country I Can't Name. It's CHINA.

notya

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