[2020 ELECTION] THREAD OF WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FORK

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  • valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    It continues to amaze the side that continually talks up their big strong president are the most childish and easily hurt.

    That's because if they were actually adult and strong, they wouldn't have to claim it so much.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I got my mail in ballot on Saturday and mailed it back on Monday
    On the back was 5 different measures
    LRCA Constitutional Amendment 1 Government Makes the Public Regulation Commission a three-member appointed commission
    LRCA Constitutional Amendment 2 Elections Amends the New Mexico Constitution to allow for laws that adjust the date of election and term for non-statewide officeholders
    BI Bond Question A Bond issues Issues $33.3 million in bonds for senior citizen facility improvements
    BI Bond Question B Bond issues Issues $9.7 million in bonds for public libraries
    BI Bond Question C Bond issues Issues $156.3 million in bonds for public higher education institutions, special public schools, and tribal schools

    The Public Regulation Commission is just messy as it went from basically goons to the attempt to clean it up by getting the vary companies they would oversee since they were the most qualified.

    The bond ones are insane as it upping the sales tax to pay for them or using property tax to pay for them with the promise to pay it back

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc

    Actually, Biden could get into international efforts to deal with covid. Namely partnering with other countries to improve the speed at which vaccines are created and future steps to prevent the next pandemic. Not to mention, climate change is a thing that more and more people are starting to care about and that's going to be a global effort. Finally, if he wants to get out of the box, he could also deal with one of the elephants in the room on foreign policy that deals with ow a ton of our shitty corporations, lay off workers at home and then setup shop in countries, where the authorities let them outright exploit and abuse their workers for less pay and in less safe conditions (as an aside I think automation is the greater thread, but this is a thing that happens and it would be nice to quash the narrative that it's the fault of foreign workers for those lost jobs, when it's really our shitty oligarchs that make that choice). There are a few angles Biden can play that stays foreign policy focused in a way that would keep most low information voters vested, while shitting on Trump. International efforts to deal with covid is probably just the easiest one, but he'll need more than just that.

    This is something that I've had a massive argument over recently. That Trump pulling out of the WHO is a good thing, because WHO are clearly compromised, both in their politics (kowtowing to China over Taiwan) and in their on the ground efforts being soft.

    My argument was "Well, what's next?". Because that's the fucking problem with Trump when he does this. Paris, ACA, it's "This is bad, we're out.". But no attempt to replace it with anything.

    I've got criticisms of WHO, but I understand they've also got some serious political landmines to navigate if they're to just start their job.

    It's like having your only local firestation have issues. Maybe the fire chief is incompetent? Do you try and fix things? Absolutely. Do you just completely shut down the fire station and just accept the next fire isn't going to get looked at until it's already burnt down half the town? That's apparently the Trump strategy.

    There are more pandemics coming. Mutations of coronavirus, or something we know exists (ebola?), or something completely new. You can't just spin up a "response team" after the fact. You need everything in place to jump on it at the earliest opportunity. If not, it'll be out of control long before you've made the decision that it's a problem.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    I got my mail in ballot on Saturday and mailed it back on Monday
    On the back was 5 different measures
    LRCA Constitutional Amendment 1 Government Makes the Public Regulation Commission a three-member appointed commission
    LRCA Constitutional Amendment 2 Elections Amends the New Mexico Constitution to allow for laws that adjust the date of election and term for non-statewide officeholders
    BI Bond Question A Bond issues Issues $33.3 million in bonds for senior citizen facility improvements
    BI Bond Question B Bond issues Issues $9.7 million in bonds for public libraries
    BI Bond Question C Bond issues Issues $156.3 million in bonds for public higher education institutions, special public schools, and tribal schools

    The Public Regulation Commission is just messy as it went from basically goons to the attempt to clean it up by getting the vary companies they would oversee since they were the most qualified.

    The bond ones are insane as it upping the sales tax to pay for them or using property tax to pay for them with the promise to pay it back

    Maybe but I'd look into it more.
    Not sure but my first impression is "Fuck no."
    Not without specifics because that reeks of graft. I'm incredibly skeptical that $33.3 million is enough to meaningfully improve or reform senior citizen facilities in a state like NM but it strikes me as a great number for scamming the public.
    ... ...... ......... probably but I'd want to know more because graft.
    Those should be three different god damned bonds to which my answers to which would be "Absolutely fucking not unless it's dedicated solely to reducing tuition costs (which it won't be)", "Maybe except damn that's a great excuse for graft", and "Absolutely... as long as it's not just a scam and is properly overseen by an impartial third party (which I suspect it won't be)"

    The fact that 3-5 are being paid by upping the sales tax to pay for them or using property tax to pay for them with the promise to pay it back? That raises all of the red flags when it comes to graft though.

  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited October 20
    50-41 nationally, NYT/Siena. Yawn.

    Of note, though: 56% of all women and 53% of college educated whites have very unfavorable views of Trump. Also 67 % want a public option and 72 % want a stimulus package even if it costs 2 trillion (which requires 50 D senators, abolishing the filibuster and balancing the courts).

    Absalon on
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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc

    Actually, Biden could get into international efforts to deal with covid. Namely partnering with other countries to improve the speed at which vaccines are created and future steps to prevent the next pandemic. Not to mention, climate change is a thing that more and more people are starting to care about and that's going to be a global effort. Finally, if he wants to get out of the box, he could also deal with one of the elephants in the room on foreign policy that deals with ow a ton of our shitty corporations, lay off workers at home and then setup shop in countries, where the authorities let them outright exploit and abuse their workers for less pay and in less safe conditions (as an aside I think automation is the greater thread, but this is a thing that happens and it would be nice to quash the narrative that it's the fault of foreign workers for those lost jobs, when it's really our shitty oligarchs that make that choice). There are a few angles Biden can play that stays foreign policy focused in a way that would keep most low information voters vested, while shitting on Trump. International efforts to deal with covid is probably just the easiest one, but he'll need more than just that.

    This is something that I've had a massive argument over recently. That Trump pulling out of the WHO is a good thing, because WHO are clearly compromised, both in their politics (kowtowing to China over Taiwan) and in their on the ground efforts being soft.

    My argument was "Well, what's next?". Because that's the fucking problem with Trump when he does this. Paris, ACA, it's "This is bad, we're out.". But no attempt to replace it with anything.

    I've got criticisms of WHO, but I understand they've also got some serious political landmines to navigate if they're to just start their job.

    It's like having your only local firestation have issues. Maybe the fire chief is incompetent? Do you try and fix things? Absolutely. Do you just completely shut down the fire station and just accept the next fire isn't going to get looked at until it's already burnt down half the town? That's apparently the Trump strategy.

    There are more pandemics coming. Mutations of coronavirus, or something we know exists (ebola?), or something completely new. You can't just spin up a "response team" after the fact. You need everything in place to jump on it at the earliest opportunity. If not, it'll be out of control long before you've made the decision that it's a problem.

    Pulling out of things like the WHO is bad because it removes the US's ability to exert any influence over them.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    My biggest worry about Thursday is that Trump doesn't back out (figure that one is a coin flip) and shows up and manages to somewhat behave.

    At this point the bar is so low that him doing his 'grumpy toddler forced to behave'act instead of soiling himself and spending 90 minutes rolling in it will be presented by the breathless media as 'the day Trump became President'.

    I don't think he is capable of it though. Especially with this Hunter Biden BS being their Hail Mary play and him being convinced he needs to attack.

    I'm also a bit concerned about the muting microphones thing. Him being childish and constantly interrupting put a lot of folks off, bit if all we hear is Biden (with Trump still yammering in his year distracting him) it may make Biden look bad. That plus Trump having two full uninterrupted minutes to crap out conspiracy theories may not be good although it'll probably be very 'proceed governor'.

    Just very gunshy, and this debate is basically the one chance Trump has left to personally turn things around or for Biden to really fuck up. And the media loves their 'Trump finally Presidential' stories.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Fighting The Rising Odds Registered User, Moderator mod
    A new thread will be pinched off and dropped into the communal forum pool shortly.

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