I know the odds of this are extremely low, but... imagine if Democratic turnout isn't being cannibalized and is right around normal levels on election day?
All right, enough political fanfiction. I'm still glad so many votes are already in the bank.
I mean the exact opposite negative theory is that literally voter turnout is the same as 2016and democrats are just voting early
Reagan and Bush 1 were both much worse than Bush 2.
It's not what they said, it's what they did.
Reagan in particular took steps to avoid having an opposition congress from going around him on immigration matters. His amnesty program was avoiding the showdown and likely veto override that was brewing. His administration didn't embrace the refugees they were creating with the Contra affair, they were avoiding further investigation and records that laws would have demanded. Why yes, I'm running away from the fighting being caused by your secret war. Why do you ask?
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Tweeter is Project Lincoln's veteran affairs guy. Thread is a dive into the accounting of Tommy Tuberville's charity for veterans. Finds...not a lot of charitable given and a lot of consultant fees. Looks like a scam.
Tweeter is Project Lincoln's veteran affairs guy. Thread is a dive into the accounting of Tommy Tuberville's charity for veterans. Finds...not a lot of charitable given and a lot of consultant fees. Looks like a scam.
who is tommy tuberville?
is .... that a porn name?
Guy running against Jones in Alabama. He's a shithead. Ex-college-football coach so the chuds love him (minus hopefully those who rooted for the other big college team).
I guess trump's tax records are at scotus again. I fully expect nothing to happen and don't even understand why scotus is involved. Nobody cares about his taxes 4 years ago, and his supporters won't care now.
The New York Attorney General cares, because 4 years ago is still within the statute of limitations.
Will any of it become public if it goes through scotus? Why is scotus ruling on this? Seems like a simple subpoena of records.
Sorry if this is off topic. Was just reading about it being at scotus today
SCOTUS is ruling more or less because Civil and Criminal Procedure is complicated. Especially when the defendant is the President.
I guess trump's tax records are at scotus again. I fully expect nothing to happen and don't even understand why scotus is involved. Nobody cares about his taxes 4 years ago, and his supporters won't care now.
The New York Attorney General cares, because 4 years ago is still within the statute of limitations.
Will any of it become public if it goes through scotus? Why is scotus ruling on this? Seems like a simple subpoena of records.
Sorry if this is off topic. Was just reading about it being at scotus today
SCOTUS is ruling more or less because Civil and Criminal Procedure is complicated. Especially when the defendant is the President.
So it's back to a ruling on if the president .is above the law?
I guess trump's tax records are at scotus again. I fully expect nothing to happen and don't even understand why scotus is involved. Nobody cares about his taxes 4 years ago, and his supporters won't care now.
The New York Attorney General cares, because 4 years ago is still within the statute of limitations.
Will any of it become public if it goes through scotus? Why is scotus ruling on this? Seems like a simple subpoena of records.
Sorry if this is off topic. Was just reading about it being at scotus today
SCOTUS is ruling more or less because Civil and Criminal Procedure is complicated. Especially when the defendant is the President.
So it's back to a ruling on if the president .is above the law?
Basically. The Court rejected a previous argument for why he shouldn't have to turn the subpoenad records over and now they're hearing a somewhat different argument for why not. Which was rejected by the 2nd Circuit.
So we know what the ruling would be a month from now.
There are zero good faith reasons for the U.S. Supreme Court to weigh in on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court interpreting Pennsylvania law in light of the Pennsylvania commonwealth constitution.
So the fact that four justices thought it necessary to do so is an argument for court packing because that is rank partisan bullshit.
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I went to go fill out my ballot today and realized I forgot to request one! So I did so, hopefully it gets here early enough so I don't have to get up too fucking early to vote before work.
I ran through the ballot with my wife, let her know what I thought about the local races, since she chose sanity these past four years, and let me learn more than I ever wanted to about politics.
I guess trump's tax records are at scotus again. I fully expect nothing to happen and don't even understand why scotus is involved. Nobody cares about his taxes 4 years ago, and his supporters won't care now.
The New York Attorney General cares, because 4 years ago is still within the statute of limitations.
Will any of it become public if it goes through scotus? Why is scotus ruling on this? Seems like a simple subpoena of records.
Sorry if this is off topic. Was just reading about it being at scotus today
SCOTUS is ruling more or less because Civil and Criminal Procedure is complicated. Especially when the defendant is the President.
So it's back to a ruling on if the president .is above the law?
Basically. The Court rejected a previous argument for why he shouldn't have to turn the subpoenad records over and now they're hearing a somewhat different argument for why not. Which was rejected by the 2nd Circuit.
It sounds obvious to me. We didn't elect a king. They should be responsible for what they do, did, or plan to do.
But our court is so fucked right now.
Thanks for the basic clear up, don't want this to get too off topic.
God, I clicked on that Stepien tweet to read the letter and then scrolled down to all the following and associated tweeters and holy shit. Like, I just want to drag these people to the nearest body of water and hold them under until the bubbles stop. I shouldn't feel that much concentrated rage in such a short time. I need a fucking drink.
I couldn't even get thru the letter , it's like an angry bitter high schooler wrote it. This is a government document... So tired
My favorite part is how biden is the one who is desperate to avoid talking about foreign policy, as though america wasn't hemoraging credibility with it's allies like a ninja goon in an anime who just ran into the hero.
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The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
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Was it ever confirmed to be focused on foreign policy or was that just wishful thinking put out by the Trump camp because they think that’s their strong suit?
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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"We're so great at making shit deals, losing trade wars, pissing off all our old allies and sucking up to dictators!"
I mean, if you aren't in the bubble, it's kind of amazing how one administration has, in the course of just four years, pretty much managed to utterly destroy our image abroad (and the State Department, and...)
It will probably go down in history as a major milestone in the ending of the American Empire.
The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
There's a lot of hay that Biden could make about the impacts of Trump's foreign policy (specifically around trade) on the average American's day-to-day.
EG, who does Trump think ultimately pays the tariffs on imports from other countries?
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He thinks he won/is winning the trade war, considers pissing off all the allies a bonus because he doesn’t understand the purpose of alliances, wants credit for ending a war that’s still going on, etc.etc.etc,
He honestly believes all his foreign policy losses are FP
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Reagan and Bush 1 were both much worse than Bush 2.
Eh. I don't think we should underestimate just how bad Bush the Lesser was. There's a lot of less obvious well known ways he was absolutely horrible. Basically all the kind of shit we see Trump doing to the civil service and the function of government, GWB was doing just quieter and more professionally. Over time the Iraq War and Katrina have tended to overshadow things like the attorney scandal or his elimination of the civil rights division of the DOJ.
Reagan and Bush 1 were both much worse than Bush 2.
IIRC HW Bush's presidency itself was, like, the least bad thing about him.
German reunification during his admin. Hard to imagine that happening without American involvement.
That and him raising taxes after Desert Storm to help pay for it basically paint him as the closest thing we've had to a "govern from the center" GOP president since, like, Nixon if you count the EPA.
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I know the odds of this are extremely low, but... imagine if Democratic turnout isn't being cannibalized and is right around normal levels on election day?
All right, enough political fanfiction. I'm still glad so many votes are already in the bank.
I think the more likely upside (not societally but in terms of purely electoral outcomes) would be that the third wave that is currently swelling dissuades Republicans who intended to vote day-of (possibly with an understanding that Trump is unlikely to win anyway) from showing up.
I'd prefer voting to be safe because covid doesn't increase in the next two weeks but that seems overly optimistic
The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
Easy: Biden can point out how trump's combative winner take all attitude has screwed the working class out of honest money with his tariffs jeopardizing manufacturing and agricultural markets and supply chains. Like Farmers have had to be bailed out twice because they couldn't sell their goods on top of the subsidies they get normally which has increased spending from 11.7 billion in 2017 to 32 billion as of july 2020.
You do that while pointing out that trump has rolled over for putin every time he's heard russia's president make a statement and you can easily sell him on being a weak piece of shit.
Hell, you can point out how trump gifted ventilators and other life support systems to russia in return for fucking nothing while america was still struggling with the pandemic.
The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
There's a lot of hay that Biden could make about the impacts of Trump's foreign policy (specifically around trade) on the average American's day-to-day.
EG, who does Trump think ultimately pays the tariffs on imports from other countries?
He would be right to make the point, but also I doubt he would convince any meaningful amount of people.
Like the average voter is just not capable of understanding how tariffs work, whatsoever. Or just like, international trade, period.
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The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
Actually, Biden could get into international efforts to deal with covid. Namely partnering with other countries to improve the speed at which vaccines are created and future steps to prevent the next pandemic. Not to mention, climate change is a thing that more and more people are starting to care about and that's going to be a global effort. Finally, if he wants to get out of the box, he could also deal with one of the elephants in the room on foreign policy that deals with ow a ton of our shitty corporations, lay off workers at home and then setup shop in countries, where the authorities let them outright exploit and abuse their workers for less pay and in less safe conditions (as an aside I think automation is the greater thread, but this is a thing that happens and it would be nice to quash the narrative that it's the fault of foreign workers for those lost jobs, when it's really our shitty oligarchs that make that choice). There are a few angles Biden can play that stays foreign policy focused in a way that would keep most low information voters vested, while shitting on Trump. International efforts to deal with covid is probably just the easiest one, but he'll need more than just that.
this is a page late but I don't see Trump not storming out of the debate if he gets muted for each interruption.
it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
There's a lot of hay that Biden could make about the impacts of Trump's foreign policy (specifically around trade) on the average American's day-to-day.
EG, who does Trump think ultimately pays the tariffs on imports from other countries?
China, and Mexico. Like the wall.
And his supporters believe him.
In seriousness: I think foreign policy is the one area where Trump indeed could get back to safe ground, as it's fertile ground for his particular brand of otherisation (Mexico, China), tough guy deal making "skills" (NAFTA replaced by NAFTA v1.1, NATO countries "told the truth", etc) and general strong man BS while seeming to put "America first". Having to defend good international relations and a sane public policy is not a good position to be in, and not something that wins a lot of elections. Rurah rally round the flag sadly does.
this is a page late but I don't see Trump not storming out of the debate if he gets muted for each interruption.
it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
this is a page late but I don't see Trump not storming out of the debate if he gets muted for each interruption.
it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
I feel he will just yell if muted
Oh good, so he can try even harder to get Biden sick.
this is a page late but I don't see Trump not storming out of the debate if he gets muted for each interruption.
it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
I feel he will just yell if muted
as long as the microphones are louder it won't matter. plus this'll wear trumps voice out.
The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
There's a lot of hay that Biden could make about the impacts of Trump's foreign policy (specifically around trade) on the average American's day-to-day.
EG, who does Trump think ultimately pays the tariffs on imports from other countries?
China, and Mexico. Like the wall.
And his supporters believe him.
In seriousness: I think foreign policy is the one area where Trump indeed could get back to safe ground, as it's fertile ground for his particular brand of otherisation (Mexico, China), tough guy deal making "skills" (NAFTA replaced by NAFTA v1.1, NATO countries "told the truth", etc) and general strong man BS while seeming to put "America first". Having to defend good international relations and a sane public policy is not a good position to be in, and not something that wins a lot of elections. Rurah rally round the flag sadly does.
Again: biden can obliterate trump on the facts by pointing out how trump has alienated your allies, cost the US untold billions with his insipid trade wars and is putin's bitch.
And unlike the last debate, trump is going to have to actually debate instead of endlessly talking over biden.
Another thing Biden can do is also like demand answers on what trump is going to do going forward, and if he’s floundering when it comes back to Biden say “hey we didn’t get an answer from the president on what he would do about this issue so I’m offering my time for him to explain it to the American people
Trump falls apart if he’s asked repeatedly to actually answer a specific question
Tweeter is Project Lincoln's veteran affairs guy. Thread is a dive into the accounting of Tommy Tuberville's charity for veterans. Finds...not a lot of charitable given and a lot of consultant fees. Looks like a scam.
who is tommy tuberville?
is .... that a porn name?
Guy running against Jones in Alabama. He's a shithead. Ex-college-football coach so the chuds love him (minus hopefully those who rooted for the other big college team).
Sadly, it has been conclusively demonstrated that running a charity scam on veterans is one of the million and one things that's OK If You're A Republican
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The challenge with a foreign policy focussed debate is Biden has the difficult task of relating foreign relations and the international standing and order to people’s every day lives. Whereas trump is just going to hammer how great he is on China and tough on socialists etc
Soybeans. It's a twofer because there's also a Senate seat up for grabs in Iowa. A threefer if Biden brings up Trump's shitty response to the derecho.
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this is a page late but I don't see Trump not storming out of the debate if he gets muted for each interruption.
it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
I feel he will just yell if muted
as long as the microphones are louder it won't matter. plus this'll wear trumps voice out.
Yeah this is what I'm thinking. Catching (unfortunately) snippets form his speeches lately he doesn't have the voice to yell for 15 minutes let alone an hour.
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I mean the exact opposite negative theory is that literally voter turnout is the same as 2016and democrats are just voting early
It's not what they said, it's what they did.
Reagan in particular took steps to avoid having an opposition congress from going around him on immigration matters. His amnesty program was avoiding the showdown and likely veto override that was brewing. His administration didn't embrace the refugees they were creating with the Contra affair, they were avoiding further investigation and records that laws would have demanded. Why yes, I'm running away from the fighting being caused by your secret war. Why do you ask?
who is tommy tuberville?
is .... that a porn name?
Guy running against Jones in Alabama. He's a shithead. Ex-college-football coach so the chuds love him (minus hopefully those who rooted for the other big college team).
SCOTUS is ruling more or less because Civil and Criminal Procedure is complicated. Especially when the defendant is the President.
So it's back to a ruling on if the president .is above the law?
Basically. The Court rejected a previous argument for why he shouldn't have to turn the subpoenad records over and now they're hearing a somewhat different argument for why not. Which was rejected by the 2nd Circuit.
Also potentially more insidious than we hope.
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/19/21524177/supreme-court-voting-rights-pennsylvania-republican-boockvar-amy-coney-barrett
I ran through the ballot with my wife, let her know what I thought about the local races, since she chose sanity these past four years, and let me learn more than I ever wanted to about politics.
Anyway, I learned that the woman running against the judge for the supreme court seat is a crazy person. I voted against her before, this is her fourth go at it, because of the crazy. She apparently tweeted to Trump asking to be nominated to the Supreme Court.
It sounds obvious to me. We didn't elect a king. They should be responsible for what they do, did, or plan to do.
But our court is so fucked right now.
Thanks for the basic clear up, don't want this to get too off topic.
IIRC HW Bush's presidency itself was, like, the least bad thing about him.
My favorite part is how biden is the one who is desperate to avoid talking about foreign policy, as though america wasn't hemoraging credibility with it's allies like a ninja goon in an anime who just ran into the hero.
Iran-Contra is bad but it's not in the same league as hundreds of thousands of dead people in Iraq over contrived reasons bad.
German reunification during his admin. Hard to imagine that happening without American involvement.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
I mean, if you aren't in the bubble, it's kind of amazing how one administration has, in the course of just four years, pretty much managed to utterly destroy our image abroad (and the State Department, and...)
It will probably go down in history as a major milestone in the ending of the American Empire.
There's a lot of hay that Biden could make about the impacts of Trump's foreign policy (specifically around trade) on the average American's day-to-day.
EG, who does Trump think ultimately pays the tariffs on imports from other countries?
He honestly believes all his foreign policy losses are FP
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Eh. I don't think we should underestimate just how bad Bush the Lesser was. There's a lot of less obvious well known ways he was absolutely horrible. Basically all the kind of shit we see Trump doing to the civil service and the function of government, GWB was doing just quieter and more professionally. Over time the Iraq War and Katrina have tended to overshadow things like the attorney scandal or his elimination of the civil rights division of the DOJ.
That and him raising taxes after Desert Storm to help pay for it basically paint him as the closest thing we've had to a "govern from the center" GOP president since, like, Nixon if you count the EPA.
I think the more likely upside (not societally but in terms of purely electoral outcomes) would be that the third wave that is currently swelling dissuades Republicans who intended to vote day-of (possibly with an understanding that Trump is unlikely to win anyway) from showing up.
I'd prefer voting to be safe because covid doesn't increase in the next two weeks but that seems overly optimistic
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Easy: Biden can point out how trump's combative winner take all attitude has screwed the working class out of honest money with his tariffs jeopardizing manufacturing and agricultural markets and supply chains. Like Farmers have had to be bailed out twice because they couldn't sell their goods on top of the subsidies they get normally which has increased spending from 11.7 billion in 2017 to 32 billion as of july 2020.
You do that while pointing out that trump has rolled over for putin every time he's heard russia's president make a statement and you can easily sell him on being a weak piece of shit.
He would be right to make the point, but also I doubt he would convince any meaningful amount of people.
Like the average voter is just not capable of understanding how tariffs work, whatsoever. Or just like, international trade, period.
Actually, Biden could get into international efforts to deal with covid. Namely partnering with other countries to improve the speed at which vaccines are created and future steps to prevent the next pandemic. Not to mention, climate change is a thing that more and more people are starting to care about and that's going to be a global effort. Finally, if he wants to get out of the box, he could also deal with one of the elephants in the room on foreign policy that deals with ow a ton of our shitty corporations, lay off workers at home and then setup shop in countries, where the authorities let them outright exploit and abuse their workers for less pay and in less safe conditions (as an aside I think automation is the greater thread, but this is a thing that happens and it would be nice to quash the narrative that it's the fault of foreign workers for those lost jobs, when it's really our shitty oligarchs that make that choice). There are a few angles Biden can play that stays foreign policy focused in a way that would keep most low information voters vested, while shitting on Trump. International efforts to deal with covid is probably just the easiest one, but he'll need more than just that.
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it's an affront on multiple levels. you're declaring that he is a bad person and you're taking away his power and only known defensive strategy.
a few jabs by biden and he'll leave.
China, and Mexico. Like the wall.
And his supporters believe him.
In seriousness: I think foreign policy is the one area where Trump indeed could get back to safe ground, as it's fertile ground for his particular brand of otherisation (Mexico, China), tough guy deal making "skills" (NAFTA replaced by NAFTA v1.1, NATO countries "told the truth", etc) and general strong man BS while seeming to put "America first". Having to defend good international relations and a sane public policy is not a good position to be in, and not something that wins a lot of elections. Rurah rally round the flag sadly does.
I feel he will just yell if muted
Oh good, so he can try even harder to get Biden sick.
as long as the microphones are louder it won't matter. plus this'll wear trumps voice out.
Again: biden can obliterate trump on the facts by pointing out how trump has alienated your allies, cost the US untold billions with his insipid trade wars and is putin's bitch.
And unlike the last debate, trump is going to have to actually debate instead of endlessly talking over biden.
Trump falls apart if he’s asked repeatedly to actually answer a specific question
Sadly, it has been conclusively demonstrated that running a charity scam on veterans is one of the million and one things that's OK If You're A Republican
I know what America's soul is. I'm just worried about fuckery with the votes preventing it from mattering.
Soybeans. It's a twofer because there's also a Senate seat up for grabs in Iowa. A threefer if Biden brings up Trump's shitty response to the derecho.
Yeah this is what I'm thinking. Catching (unfortunately) snippets form his speeches lately he doesn't have the voice to yell for 15 minutes let alone an hour.
Is it possible that muting the president might make his performance seem more palatable to people not really paying attention, and end up helping him?