If I was in Wisconsin walk in your ballot now. Nothing else you can do. Wisconsin's biggest issue is the gerrymandering is so bad for state stuff that the Republicans control the legislature.
Isn't Wisconsin also the state that forced the primary elections to be done in person, over the governor's orders, in the middle of the first corona wave? Screw those judges, seriously.
Which is the opposite of how they ruled in the Alabama case to disenfranchise black voters in Jefferson County. All Calvinball.
Also, which part of the fucking state? The Governor apparently doesn't count. Fuck these assholes.
this sucks but it isn't exactly true
SCOTUS ruled Alabama could ban curbside ballot collecting, which is in line with their stance that States should be allowed to make their own rules
i do think there is more to consider regarding the constitutionality of these restrictive measures they are upholding but it's incorrect to say they're playing Calvinball
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I hope they keep a record of how many votes would have been cast if it weren't for this ruling.
BREAKING: Supreme Court sides with Republicans to block voting accommodations in Wisconsin. The vote is 5-3.
The applications involve a district-court order extending the deadline for the receipt of mail-in ballots by six days. The 7th circuit blocked this remedy on appeal, and now five justices agree the state gets to run the election as it chooses—pandemic or no.
Steven Mazie is a SCOTUS correspondent with The Economist
This is wrong. Everything they is sent by postage is postage must be received.on date, not a hardline mail must be received on a date. So as long as it's post marked in time, I can be late. This is for like every business ever.
So, driving home today, I saw a "Put Cooper in the Pooper" sign, which I guess was against Cooper in NC for Governor. Like, if that's the hill you wanna die on, be my guest. His opponent is the McCrory toadie, Dan Forest, so... good luck!
Before people go crazy with the Wisconsin stuff, two things to keep in mind for your own sanity.
While voter suppression is absolutely bad and can have significant impacts on elections, especially in terms of downballot legislative makeup, it is very unlikely to represent a massive shift in the electoral results at the topline. Biden is consistently up 7-9 points in the polls in Wisconsin. For an individual act of voter suppression to matter, you're talking like, the polling average being off by a 5% MoE so Biden is at 2% in the lead, and then this suppression effort throwing out a full 5-10% of all votes cast assuming the votes thrown out are +40% Biden. That is an absurd shift to expect.
If you do not heed this advice and begin messing with election tools, also note that a massive insane shift due to an act of voter suppression is state specific. "Trump wins Wisconsin because he was actually winning there" suggests a fundamental and massive error where Trump is probably in the lead. "Trump wins Wisconsin because the magic pessimism fairy threw out 30% of the state's ballots" suggests that Wisconsin is no longer a Democracy, but that all other polling is accurate and Biden's lead is still relatively stable.
I'd be more concerned about how this will effect down ballot votes. This is a huge boon for republicans keeping the Wisconsin legislature.
It's impossible for them to lose this cycle. Dems need about 60% of the vote to beat the gerrymander. Nothing can change until the new districts are drawn.
I'd be more concerned about how this will effect down ballot votes. This is a huge boon for republicans keeping the Wisconsin legislature.
It's impossible for them to lose this cycle. Dems need about 60% of the vote to beat the gerrymander. Nothing can change until the new districts are drawn.
I wonder. If the majority of votes that will enter USPS custody and be affected by the ruling are R-leaning, will the GOP then challenge their own precedent?
I'd be more concerned about how this will effect down ballot votes. This is a huge boon for republicans keeping the Wisconsin legislature.
It's impossible for them to lose this cycle. Dems need about 60% of the vote to beat the gerrymander. Nothing can change until the new districts are drawn.
I wonder. If the majority of votes that will enter USPS custody and be affected by the ruling are R-leaning, will the GOP then challenge their own precedent?
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In some good WI news, from my check this morning(report runs at 730 am) City of Milwaukee is at 54% of its 2016 vote total. Dane county is at 72% Milwaukee County is at 60%. Early in-person voting didn't start till last Tuesday. We are at about 1.634m votes in out of a 2.976m votes in 2016.
And from what I remember from my training Milwaukee will have like 176 or the 180ish polling sites open. So we shouldn't have issues with lines etc.
Also drop boxes are pretty available in wisconsin. Thats how I and most of the people who had mail in ballots I know of did theirs. Enough stuff about post office that nobody trusted it to deliver so we just went to the box at the court house.
I'd be more concerned about how this will effect down ballot votes. This is a huge boon for republicans keeping the Wisconsin legislature.
They literally cannot lose the WIsconsin legislature unless they lose 60-40.
Wisconsin is basically a failed democracy at this point. It's a prototype for what the Republicans want to do to the US as a whole. Or a state-level example of how democracies fail in the modern era.
The best part about the Wisconsin ruling is that if you have sent in your ballot but it hasn't arrived to be counted yet, you are not allowed to vote in person in Wisconsin law.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
The best part about the Wisconsin ruling is that if you have sent in your ballot but it hasn't arrived to be counted yet, you are not allowed to vote in person in Wisconsin law.
fuck 'em, vote anyway. The mail-in will be discarded and let them try to come at you for some random trash that isn't a real vote showing up in the mail.
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
Which is the opposite of how they ruled in the Alabama case to disenfranchise black voters in Jefferson County. All Calvinball.
Also, which part of the fucking state? The Governor apparently doesn't count. Fuck these assholes.
this sucks but it isn't exactly true
SCOTUS ruled Alabama could ban curbside ballot collecting, which is in line with their stance that States should be allowed to make their own rules
i do think there is more to consider regarding the constitutionality of these restrictive measures they are upholding but it's incorrect to say they're playing Calvinball
No: Kavenaugh specifically mentioned overruling state courts on state law in his concurrence. Something even Bush v Gore balked at.
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
Anything that shows up after election day. So with the mail delays engineered by the federal government and the overwhelming case load (which neither the Wisconsin legislature or US Senate bothered to provide resources to address) people who did everything on time are going to be disenfranchised because the court thinks that will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Its so bullshit they wait until just before the election to make these ridiculous decisions.
I will say this ruling is dumb on it's face, but it will actually probably disenfranchise Republicans more than Democrats. Democrats have shown up in the early vote, the people showing up on election day or voting by mail late are going to be more likely to be Republican. It's not even a strategically good ruling.
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
Anything that shows up after election day. So with the mail delays engineered by the federal government and the overwhelming case load (which neither the Wisconsin legislature or US Senate bothered to provide resources to address) people who did everything on time are going to be disenfranchised because the court thinks that will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.
This is just straight up an assault on basic rights. I just don’t understand how it’s tolerated. America is so fucking rotten when it comes to this shit. This would be such an enormous amount of people being disenfranchised at the last minute with little to no recourse
How do people find out if they’re likely to have their vote thrown out? Like if you can’t know until Election Day the Supreme Court is essentially actively denying people their legal rights
This is fucking insane
If this costs us Wisconsin Democrat’s need to be ready to fight this and not see losing the case as an option. If this happens and enough people are disenfranchised you are not a democracy at all
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
Anything that shows up after election day. So with the mail delays engineered by the federal government and the overwhelming case load (which neither the Wisconsin legislature or US Senate bothered to provide resources to address) people who did everything on time are going to be disenfranchised because the court thinks that will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.
This is just straight up an assault on basic rights. I just don’t understand how it’s tolerated. America is so fucking rotten when it comes to this shit. This would be such an enormous amount of people being disenfranchised at the last minute with little to no recourse
How do people find out if they’re likely to have their vote thrown out? Like if you can’t know until Election Day the Supreme Court is essentially actively denying people their legal rights
This is fucking insane
If this costs us Wisconsin Democrat’s need to be ready to fight this and not see losing the case as an option. If this happens and enough people are disenfranchised you are not a democracy at all
The Supreme Court ruled. The fight for new ruling is over. They can try to fight on other grounds, but the fight to get those ballots counted at the moment is over.
Again as pointed out this shouldn't flip Wisconsin. But it makes it messier than it should be.
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
This is the #1 actual reason the courts need to be packed. Because the republican-controlled SCOTUS is a full on constant assault on the basic democratic processes of the US.
Wait so does this just refer to ballots sent in on Election Day or just any ballets that arrive late through no fault of the voter?
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
Anything that shows up after election day. So with the mail delays engineered by the federal government and the overwhelming case load (which neither the Wisconsin legislature or US Senate bothered to provide resources to address) people who did everything on time are going to be disenfranchised because the court thinks that will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.
This is just straight up an assault on basic rights. I just don’t understand how it’s tolerated. America is so fucking rotten when it comes to this shit. This would be such an enormous amount of people being disenfranchised at the last minute with little to no recourse
How do people find out if they’re likely to have their vote thrown out? Like if you can’t know until Election Day the Supreme Court is essentially actively denying people their legal rights
This is fucking insane
If this costs us Wisconsin Democrat’s need to be ready to fight this and not see losing the case as an option. If this happens and enough people are disenfranchised you are not a democracy at all
It's a Supreme Court ruling. It's kind of the final arbiter.
Pack the motherfucking courts.
Then abolish the Senate.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
"He didn't grow up and also he's dying of old age!"
Well, I'm certainly not voting for Benjamin Button now.
It's also the same flailing contradictory doublespeak and nonsensical shit-flinging insults leveled at Sen. Kamala Harris.
She's a super lefty socialist communist Antifa anarchist who wants to defund the police and take away your guns but also a too-tough on crime prosecutor who doesn't care about BLM or minority civil rights.
Trump and his ilk are just throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks. It's just that in Sen. Kamala Harris's case, they've lowered the bar to sexist and racist d̶o̶g̶w̶h̶i̶s̶t̶l̶e̶s̶ bullhorns and aren't even bothering to be subtle about it anymore.
Here’s an idea America, if the greatest country in the world can’t get peoples mail votes delivered in a reliably fast fashion, make a clear cut off day that they can be sent in by, and go by the posted date. Don’t just say if it arrives late then it won’t get counted, because the fucking voter has no control over that. Seriously most other democracies have this worked out already. It’s not hard, and is in fact easier than this, in basically every other first world democracy
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Referring to the SCOTUS stuff.
Probably lots of ballots already recently out in the mail that won’t arrive by next Tuesday huh
By design.
This is blatant election rigging.
this sucks but it isn't exactly true
SCOTUS ruled Alabama could ban curbside ballot collecting, which is in line with their stance that States should be allowed to make their own rules
i do think there is more to consider regarding the constitutionality of these restrictive measures they are upholding but it's incorrect to say they're playing Calvinball
easiest path includes WI but there are a number of paths that don't need it
This is wrong. Everything they is sent by postage is postage must be received.on date, not a hardline mail must be received on a date. So as long as it's post marked in time, I can be late. This is for like every business ever.
It really shouldn't remove enough votes to flip the state. But it makes this way more frustrating than it should be.
I'd be more concerned about how this will effect down ballot votes. This is a huge boon for republicans keeping the Wisconsin legislature.
They literally cannot lose the Wisconsin legislature unless they lose 60-40.
It's impossible for them to lose this cycle. Dems need about 60% of the vote to beat the gerrymander. Nothing can change until the new districts are drawn.
I wonder. If the majority of votes that will enter USPS custody and be affected by the ruling are R-leaning, will the GOP then challenge their own precedent?
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And from what I remember from my training Milwaukee will have like 176 or the 180ish polling sites open. So we shouldn't have issues with lines etc.
Also drop boxes are pretty available in wisconsin. Thats how I and most of the people who had mail in ballots I know of did theirs. Enough stuff about post office that nobody trusted it to deliver so we just went to the box at the court house.
Wisconsin is basically a failed democracy at this point. It's a prototype for what the Republicans want to do to the US as a whole. Or a state-level example of how democracies fail in the modern era.
fuck 'em, vote anyway. The mail-in will be discarded and let them try to come at you for some random trash that isn't a real vote showing up in the mail.
If it’s the later holy shit, you don’t have a democracy, especially cos what is the actual difference between voting in person and by mail
The Supreme Court is essentially an engine for disenfranchisement
Also way to go with making the ruling now,I’m sure they’ll do their due diligence and advertise this change and it won’t disenfranchise confused voters en mass
What a disgrace
No: Kavenaugh specifically mentioned overruling state courts on state law in his concurrence. Something even Bush v Gore balked at.
Anything that shows up after election day. So with the mail delays engineered by the federal government and the overwhelming case load (which neither the Wisconsin legislature or US Senate bothered to provide resources to address) people who did everything on time are going to be disenfranchised because the court thinks that will hurt Democrats more than Republicans.
I will say this ruling is dumb on it's face, but it will actually probably disenfranchise Republicans more than Democrats. Democrats have shown up in the early vote, the people showing up on election day or voting by mail late are going to be more likely to be Republican. It's not even a strategically good ruling.
This is just straight up an assault on basic rights. I just don’t understand how it’s tolerated. America is so fucking rotten when it comes to this shit. This would be such an enormous amount of people being disenfranchised at the last minute with little to no recourse
How do people find out if they’re likely to have their vote thrown out? Like if you can’t know until Election Day the Supreme Court is essentially actively denying people their legal rights
This is fucking insane
If this costs us Wisconsin Democrat’s need to be ready to fight this and not see losing the case as an option. If this happens and enough people are disenfranchised you are not a democracy at all
Which is a violation of their precious Purcell doctrine, but it's all fucking Calvinball.
The Supreme Court ruled. The fight for new ruling is over. They can try to fight on other grounds, but the fight to get those ballots counted at the moment is over.
Again as pointed out this shouldn't flip Wisconsin. But it makes it messier than it should be.
This is the #1 actual reason the courts need to be packed. Because the republican-controlled SCOTUS is a full on constant assault on the basic democratic processes of the US.
It's a Supreme Court ruling. It's kind of the final arbiter.
Pack the motherfucking courts.
Then abolish the Senate.
Especially during any lame duck session, have Schumer and McConnel pinkie swear that the court won't be expanded
And then in January just do it anyway because fuck em
Zero reason to be honest or negotiate in good faith with Republicans at this point
It's also the same flailing contradictory doublespeak and nonsensical shit-flinging insults leveled at Sen. Kamala Harris.
She's a super lefty socialist communist Antifa anarchist who wants to defund the police and take away your guns but also a too-tough on crime prosecutor who doesn't care about BLM or minority civil rights.
Trump and his ilk are just throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks. It's just that in Sen. Kamala Harris's case, they've lowered the bar to sexist and racist d̶o̶g̶w̶h̶i̶s̶t̶l̶e̶s̶ bullhorns and aren't even bothering to be subtle about it anymore.