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President Biden's Cabinet

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edited January 21 in Debate and/or Discourse
Here is a thread to speculate wildly about Joe Biden's cabinet.

Common rumors so far include:

State: Susan Rice
Defense: Michelle Flournoy
Justice: Doug Jones or Sally Yates
Treasury: Jared Bernstein

There is also a rumored NO SENATORS rule, so nothing incredibly stupid like putting Sherrod Brown in the cabinet should happen. Also means no Warren to Treasury or Sanders to Labor, but both of those would have been bad ideas anyway as they are more valuable in the Senate.

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Susan Rice is a monstrous Brookings-spawned warmonger so that, uh, bodes ill for the future..

    Edit - Yikes Flournoy isn't any better. This is bad news for the rest of the world if true.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    No Republicans anywhere economic or foreign policy issues, if you want to give one a lesser position fine (Lahood was fine at transportation) but the idea that you need a Republican to be taken seriously at state or defense or wherever needs to die right now.

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    I only want to see a Republican in the cabinet if they're a senator from a state with a democratic governor.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Yeah Pat Toomey can have anything he wants outside the big four. Same with Ron Johnson. Not that they'd accept, but still.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    We’re going to need someone to be the Louis DeJoy of Homeland Security at the very least
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I only want to see a Republican in the cabinet if they're a senator from a state with a democratic governor.

    And even then it’s more traditional to give them an ambassadorship to a country where it doesn’t really matter who the ambassador is but maybe they would want to live there for a few years.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I hope Education goes to someone with classroom experience. Preferably special ed classroom experience since at least at the K12 level that's what the federal government deals with.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    It's too bad you can't force someone into a position. I'd pick Trump as ambassador to antarctica or something. Reward the fucker for the last 4 years you know?

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Not a Fictional Character Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    It's too bad you can't force someone into a position. I'd pick Trump as ambassador to antarctica or something. Reward the fucker for the last 4 years you know?

    Maybe for Siberia.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Theres been rumors of pulling Gillibrand into the cabinet and giving her seat to AOC, protecting Schumer

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    From who? And HAHAHAHAHA at Cuomo appointing AOC.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I only want to see a Republican in the cabinet if they're a senator from a state with a democratic governor.

    I think this is really a great play.

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    that's a pretty terrible list

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    "In the spirit of bipartisanship, ...." :)

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    If AOC actually wants in the Senate, she can get there on her own merits, no problem.

    And yeah, Cuomo would appoint himself before her.

    Anyway, at the idea (in the other thread) of Buttigieg getting VA; I think it's a better idea that it might immediately seem.

    IMO the VA is low key one of the most important institutions that can be focused on in a split government, and has a lot of potential to effect other things if handled right.

    You aren't going to find many in the public who are against reforming the VA. You are going to have a hard time if you're in government arguing against helping veterans. I realize this flies in the face of the reality that the VA is continuously a broken system with enough red tape to build a bridge across the atlantic with. However, with the ACA being threatened right now, reforming the VA into a super functional government run health care system would give a lot of options moving forward on how to get something like single payer and universal coverage from the government, bypassing the minefield that is medicare/caid and pushing private insurance out of the picture before they can even get their hands on it.

    Obviously it wouldn't be that simple, but Buttigieg is a quality media personality, regardless of his personal politics being far more conservative than what appeals to me. If they're going to do this, with McConnell blocking everything else, if they can have Buttigieg on TV selling this reform, hard, and shutting down the occasional opposition, it gives a lot of room for Biden and the House to present solid reform (that just coincidentally would resemble what a single payer system would look like; totally an accident!) and sell it to the right.

    It makes sense in my head at least. Probably unrealistic or too optimistic; but Biden is going to have his hands tied if we can't get those runoffs in Georgia, and they need a solid plan of non-EO policies they can push for accomplishments before 2022/24.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

    Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran are from Kansas, and their Governor is also a dem (Laura Kelly)

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    You want a proven administrator at the VA.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    that's a pretty terrible list

    Well as soon as the next senator is sworn in you could always fire them for being terrible

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

    Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran are from Kansas, and their Governor is also a dem (Laura Kelly)

    True. I always forget about that one because Kansas.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    With 90% of Democratic power going forward is going to be their control of foreign policy, I would hope they don't fuck that one up with one of the usual ghouls. I’ll wait for the actual picks to get a sense of where we’re headed.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    You want a proven administrator at the VA.

    I think you can have proven administrators working under a good communicator who already has a public profile at the head.

    A wonk might be good to actually come up with plans, but they're not going to get eyes on screens watching to even hear their plans.

    Buttigieg doesn't need to be coming up with the ideas himself, he could just be the attack dog selling it.

    EDIT: And lets be honest. He's going to run for president again, there is pretty much no doubt. Democrats need to be doing a better job of setting up the next generation, and despite my preference for people like AOC with progressive policies; the fact is they're going to need some moderates too. He's young, charismatic, intelligent and capable of holding his own in debates, on media, and communicating information clearly. If they can hand him some victories that might mitigate some of the controversy over his mayoral activities, he's a pretty clear person to push forward, and it would be an opportunity to do so.

    However, if there are any proven administrators who could head the VA who also could defend the VA and any potential reform, who also young enough to take advantage of positive attention from the role for future political aspirations, I'd love to know who. It's too hard to not imagine if we just get some policy person in the role that can't sell anything and doesn't inspire interest in change, the VA will just get pushed aside like it usually does.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    With 90% of Democratic power going forward is going to be their control of foreign policy, I would hope they don't fuck that one up with one of the usual ghouls. I’ll wait for the actual picks to get a sense of where we’re headed.

    The regulatory power at FDA, Labor, etc. is seriously underrated here.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    But, what about Space Force? And the mission to Mars?

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    Gyral wrote: »
    But, what about Space Force? And the mission to Mars?

    Is Scott Manley busy?

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

    Yeah, people seem to have forgotten that when they set up the USA pandemic diseases and public health were a huge deal. The CDC can do pretty much whatever the hell it wants to control pandemic viruses if the President lets them.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

    Yeah, people seem to have forgotten that when they set up the USA pandemic diseases and public health were a huge deal. The CDC can do pretty much whatever the hell it wants to control pandemic viruses if the President lets them.

    Biggest annoyance right now: Record setting last three days and 74(?) days until they'll be allowed to do any damn thing.

    I wonder how fucking illegal it would be for Joe Biden to privately set up a CDC equivalent and just have them issue public statements. Probably issues of information access.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    With 90% of Democratic power going forward is going to be their control of foreign policy, I would hope they don't fuck that one up with one of the usual ghouls. I’ll wait for the actual picks to get a sense of where we’re headed.

    I don't see how. I don't see what we can do in foreign policy at the moment given all the damage that has been done.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

    Yeah, people seem to have forgotten that when they set up the USA pandemic diseases and public health were a huge deal. The CDC can do pretty much whatever the hell it wants to control pandemic viruses if the President lets them.

    Biggest annoyance right now: Record setting last three days and 74(?) days until they'll be allowed to do any damn thing.

    I wonder how fucking illegal it would be for Joe Biden to privately set up a CDC equivalent and just have them issue public statements. Probably issues of information access.

    My hope is that Biden just starts hosting regular virus updates and having people from the CDC come speak alongside him. The concern with doing anything is that the Senate won't let him and will not let him rehire the people Trump fires when he is at the helm, but, I think the Senate knows its a really solid plan to put the CDC back in charge and juice the economy with some big fat checks for 12 months. They can look at Australia, Taiwan, China, Singapore. You can beat this virus back, and then you make money again.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    With 90% of Democratic power going forward is going to be their control of foreign policy, I would hope they don't fuck that one up with one of the usual ghouls. I’ll wait for the actual picks to get a sense of where we’re headed.

    I don't see how. I don't see what we can do in foreign policy at the moment given all the damage that has been done.

    Foreign policy goal #1 right now has to be to shut down all international travel for reasons other than the shipment of goods. Gotta start helping more and more countries clear out the virus, and persuade people to do that on a local, district by district, country by country level. Gotta distribute vaccines, and PPE. Build international task forces to combat the virus and so on.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

    Yeah, people seem to have forgotten that when they set up the USA pandemic diseases and public health were a huge deal. The CDC can do pretty much whatever the hell it wants to control pandemic viruses if the President lets them.

    Biggest annoyance right now: Record setting last three days and 74(?) days until they'll be allowed to do any damn thing.

    I wonder how fucking illegal it would be for Joe Biden to privately set up a CDC equivalent and just have them issue public statements. Probably issues of information access.

    My hope is that Biden just starts hosting regular virus updates and having people from the CDC come speak alongside him. The concern with doing anything is that the Senate won't let him and will not let him rehire the people Trump fires when he is at the helm, but, I think the Senate knows its a really solid plan to put the CDC back in charge and juice the economy with some big fat checks for 12 months. They can look at Australia, Taiwan, China, Singapore. You can beat this virus back, and then you make money again.

    Don't think the Senate get to say jack shit about the CDC via confirmation. Could be wrong.

    Obviously they have budget influence which is gonna be an issue.

  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Unmuzzling the CDC alone right now...

    Yeah, people seem to have forgotten that when they set up the USA pandemic diseases and public health were a huge deal. The CDC can do pretty much whatever the hell it wants to control pandemic viruses if the President lets them.

    Biggest annoyance right now: Record setting last three days and 74(?) days until they'll be allowed to do any damn thing.

    I wonder how fucking illegal it would be for Joe Biden to privately set up a CDC equivalent and just have them issue public statements. Probably issues of information access.

    My hope is that Biden just starts hosting regular virus updates and having people from the CDC come speak alongside him. The concern with doing anything is that the Senate won't let him and will not let him rehire the people Trump fires when he is at the helm, but, I think the Senate knows its a really solid plan to put the CDC back in charge and juice the economy with some big fat checks for 12 months. They can look at Australia, Taiwan, China, Singapore. You can beat this virus back, and then you make money again.

    Don't think the Senate get to say jack shit about the CDC via confirmation. Could be wrong.

    Obviously they have budget influence which is gonna be an issue.

    There is now precedent of using DoD money as a presidential slush fund...

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Unless a miracle happens, you should also try to figure out who is going to be put into acting positions that will be objectionable enough to McConnel that he will vote on the actual nominees.

    Like, even if Biden wants Susan Rice for State the Benghazi crowd is going to flip their shit and make it hard to confirm her.

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

    Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran are from Kansas, and their Governor is also a dem (Laura Kelly)

    True. I always forget about that one because Kansas.

    Kennedy and Cassidy also fit the bill. I don't know if our state has the governor appoint interim Senators odd the top of my head though. Kennedy feels like just enough of a weasel to be temptable, but I don't think you could offer him enough to actually do it.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

    Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran are from Kansas, and their Governor is also a dem (Laura Kelly)

    True. I always forget about that one because Kansas.

    Kennedy and Cassidy also fit the bill. I don't know if our state has the governor appoint interim Senators odd the top of my head though. Kennedy feels like just enough of a weasel to be temptable, but I don't think you could offer him enough to actually do it.

    Of those Louisiana and Wisconsin have a special election rule, the others would be governor appointed.

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Any republican senators from a state with a democratic governor?

    If so, that senator should get a cabinet position

    That list:
    1) Toomey
    2) Johnson
    3) McConnell
    4) Collins
    5) Tillis
    6) Burr
    7) Daines (until the new Governor is sworn in)

    I think that's it.

    I think I speak for all of Wisconsin when I say, "Send Johnson literally anywhere. Fuck that guy right in the eye."

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I would actually love to not have ever heard of a single one of these people because they’re all competent private sector technocrats and not politicians

  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    As a non-American can someone explain why you would appoint someone from outside your party?

    I mean, in Parliamentary systems sometimes you would do this if you had a minority or coalition government but I don’t understand it in the US context.

    Please don’t tell me it’s in the name of some bullshit norms about being bi-partisan or something.

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