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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread: Vaccines!
I've had to get a fair bit of dental work done, sadly - dentists seem to be taking this shit a lot more seriously than most other places I've seen. It's not ideal, but I'd also not stress out over it.
My wife broke a tooth last night. Thankfully it didn't break into the root, but now she has to get a crown. And I'm super nervous after her visiting the dentist today. And since it's a crown, she will go back again in a couple of weeks to get the permanent crown installed.
I hate this.
I've just had a crown done myself. The dentist was super ppe covered, they checked my temp, etc...
I'd probably delay cleanings but necessary stuff I feel like is safe enough, with the right precautions.
Also, ignoring needed dentistry is, unless you are a high risk group, about as dangerous as the coronavirus. We laugh at fillings these days because we HAVE dentists. A completely ignored cavity can routinely lead to a root canal infection, which can lead to your tooth dying in your mouth and rotting away which can ABSOLUTELY kill you or at least hospitalize you. Skip the cleanings, brush morning, noon and night, and do go to the dentist for needed work.
Cavities are actually serious business. look after your teeth.
JUST IN: The ship's captain announces 5 people have tested positive for #COVID19 on SeaDream 1, the first cruise ship to embark on a voyage in the Caribbean since the #coronavirus shut down the cruise industry.
Ana Cabrera is a CNN anchor and correspondent.
Who could have possibly seen this coming, what a shock.
I'm almost incredulous that they didn't at least put on a show for the first few cruises. Hold people in special quarantine hotels for a week with three tests, load the ship two weeks in advance with one crew, then have the crew on board for 2 weeks before the passengers boarded and so on. Some impossible to maintain level of precaution which would actually get you a known covid free ship and get people saying, "Hey, maybe its not so bad..."
Noone seems to be capable of actually taking the virus seriously for more than 5 minutes.
Last Tuesday, Key West voters approved three referenda that will ban most cruise ships by major lines from visiting the city. The first referendum, which won roughly 63% votes according to the Monroe County Board of Elections, prohibits cruise ships with more than 1300 passengers from docking in the Keys. The second, which won 61% votes, places a 1500 cap on daily cruise ship visitors. The third, which received the largest support at 81%, will give docking priority to cruise lines with the best environmental and health records.
The bans are in response to the impact large ships are having on the infrastructure and delicate ecosystem of the Florida Keys. When COVID struck and cruise ships were banned, it gave the environment time to recover, and it gave the Keys time to think.
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According to The Impacts of the Cruise Ship Industry on the Quality of Life in Key West report, or the Murray Report, traffic and pollutants from the 390 cruise ships that visit the Keys annually cause "chronic water-quality issues" and kill coral and sea creatures including lobster and conch, threatening the local charter fishing industry too — an industry that supports 8000 jobs in the area. The report lays out the limited economic benefit large cruise ships have on the Keys, arguing that while cruise ship passengers make up 50% of all visitors in Key West, they only contribute to 8% of all visitor spending; spending an average of $32 per passengers, while other tourists spend an average of $550.
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What does this mean for the future of Caribbean cruises? The Miami Herald reports that 40 of the 50 vessels that docked in Key West in 2019 will be prohibited from visiting again, that includes ships from Norwegian Cruise Line, Royal Caribbean, Disney Cruise Line and Carnival Cruise Line. Luxury cruise lines like Regent Seven Seas, Seabourn and Silversea currently meet the new criteria, which could effectively close Key West cruises off to budget spenders.
Last Tuesday, Key West voters approved three referenda that will ban most cruise ships by major lines from visiting the city. The first referendum, which won roughly 63% votes according to the Monroe County Board of Elections, prohibits cruise ships with more than 1300 passengers from docking in the Keys. The second, which won 61% votes, places a 1500 cap on daily cruise ship visitors. The third, which received the largest support at 81%, will give docking priority to cruise lines with the best environmental and health records.
The bans are in response to the impact large ships are having on the infrastructure and delicate ecosystem of the Florida Keys. When COVID struck and cruise ships were banned, it gave the environment time to recover, and it gave the Keys time to think.
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According to The Impacts of the Cruise Ship Industry on the Quality of Life in Key West report, or the Murray Report, traffic and pollutants from the 390 cruise ships that visit the Keys annually cause "chronic water-quality issues" and kill coral and sea creatures including lobster and conch, threatening the local charter fishing industry too — an industry that supports 8000 jobs in the area. The report lays out the limited economic benefit large cruise ships have on the Keys, arguing that while cruise ship passengers make up 50% of all visitors in Key West, they only contribute to 8% of all visitor spending; spending an average of $32 per passengers, while other tourists spend an average of $550.
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What does this mean for the future of Caribbean cruises? The Miami Herald reports that 40 of the 50 vessels that docked in Key West in 2019 will be prohibited from visiting again, that includes ships from Norwegian Cruise Line, Royal Caribbean, Disney Cruise Line and Carnival Cruise Line. Luxury cruise lines like Regent Seven Seas, Seabourn and Silversea currently meet the new criteria, which could effectively close Key West cruises off to budget spenders.
Wonder if other places will start following suit.
I'm just shocked, absolutely shocked that they don't want those plague ships to dock there. Really, even in the best of times they're like a horde of locusts.
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Johnny ChopsockyScootaloo! We have to cook!Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered Userregular
Welp, add me to the COVID list. Tested positive today, likely picked up from a workplace exposure. No symptoms yet about 8 days after exposure, but yeah, plenty of time for that.
Gonna stay quarantined, get some more Vitamin D (which I should probably have more of anyway, since my current multivitamin doesn't get me to 100%) into my system, and hope that symptoms just forget to show up.
It's crazy how everyone here suddenly seems to be getting covid. It really brings home how the epidemic is spreading. Hope you remain asymptomatic Johnny Chopsocky!
Ontario's population is around 15 million, and we're up around an average of 1,300 cases per day. Far from some of the doom numbers I see thrown around, but we're definitely on a rising curve of late, and I'm trying to convince friends and family to avoid unnecessary risks (and adhering to those same efforts myself).
Canada in general, as far as I know, is far from the collapse of its health care industry or one of the other worst case scenarios we're seeing play out, but we do have hot spots in a variety of provinces and major population centers, and we're seeing small 'anti-mask' rallies. Some of which has been tied to the same Trump/Pence/MAGA/2nd Amendment/QAnon style shit that makes me ever so grateful that the US's exports include that bullshit.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Its kinda amazing how well QAnon translates to other countries considering how incredibly US-specific it is.
The internet has, to a very real extent, bred our minds so that we are 'memetically' more similar than our ancestors. Whereas before, conspiracy theories would face an incredibly broad range of competing ideas, which would lead to virulent rejection of the theories in many communities, we have been shaped just like a banana or a farmed rice variety. Our once valuable diversity of thought has been shaped and molded, meaning conspiracy theories spread far more effectively than before.
I'm like, 60% serious here. I genuinely do think there is something to the fact that to survive in the internet world, we have shaped our thinking to be in line with it. And that creates vulnerability, just like a loss of genetic diversity does.
"That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
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Magus`The fun has been DOUBLED!Registered Userregular
Apparently my fiancee's father allowed a bunch of frat dicks to do pledges in their yard because her step mom's children are fucking shit and think they're invincible.
Especially great because my fiancee has a relative who very well may pass away and people are coming here because of it.
webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
Oregon is over 1100 cases a day with a population of roughly 4.2 million focused in about 5 major population centers. My population center which is probably about 180k is at about 50-100 cases per day depending on the day.
ahavaCall me Ahava ~~She/Her~~Move to New ZealandRegistered Userregular
Aucklands new 'mystery case' of community spread is genomically related to the previous defense worker case. so it's not 'unseen spread' but we can pretty much trace it back.
no changes of alert levels, CBD (center city) is allowed to open back up. No events are cancelled. But public transport wearers are highly encouraged to continue wearing masks, and anybody going anywhere or doing anything where social distancing isn't possible are also highly encouraged to wear masks.
Aucklands new 'mystery case' of community spread is genomically related to the previous defense worker case. so it's not 'unseen spread' but we can pretty much trace it back.
no changes of alert levels, CBD (center city) is allowed to open back up. No events are cancelled. But public transport wearers are highly encouraged to continue wearing masks, and anybody going anywhere or doing anything where social distancing isn't possible are also highly encouraged to wear masks.
This is all a giant relief.
Its a giant relief for everyone because while its a challenge for anyone to keep Covid out, finding that the way it 'sneaks in' is through the normal human chains of contact is critical and valuable learning for the world.
"That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
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webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
I wish we were in the position of genetically tracing Covid cases due to the rarity.
Considering that, on this scale, webguy and I are practically neighbors, so what he said also goes for me... yeah.
I'm really hoping Oregon doesn't fail right at the end, but I'm not holding out much hope. We should be shutting down again, but everyone is hamstrung by the economy and lack of any federal support.
I'm kind of curious about the legal status of that one Covid relief bill where Trump was legally required to appoint someone to make sure that he didn't just embezzle most of the money, but did not appoint that person (and then presumably embezzled most of the money). What does the language of the bill say, is Biden still legally required to appoint that person now since Trump never did?
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ahavaCall me Ahava ~~She/Her~~Move to New ZealandRegistered Userregular
Its kinda amazing how well QAnon translates to other countries considering how incredibly US-specific it is.
Sovcit, Q, corona denialism; we're really fucking good at exporting culture around the world
Well, covid exists in every country. QAnon and Sovcit only make sense in a US context.
In the Netherlands there are people who believe that it is governed by satanic child rapists and that Covid is a hoax to inject everyone with microchips.
Some think it's because we have more time to watch YouTube due to Covid.
YouTube algorithms steer you toward more of the same and if you want to know the truth about for instance Covid testing YouTube will serve you conspiracy theories and actual helpfull videos equally. If you than choose conspiracy theory or fake news video the algorithm thinks " you want more of that stuff" so all your search results and recommended videos start containing more of the same. Eventually you are stuck in the conspiracy rabbit hole.
Its kinda amazing how well QAnon translates to other countries considering how incredibly US-specific it is.
Sovcit, Q, corona denialism; we're really fucking good at exporting culture around the world
Well, covid exists in every country. QAnon and Sovcit only make sense in a US context.
You'd think that about qanon, but it has totally spilled over to Europe by now. The Bill gates microships turned up on Germany way before the US as far as I can tell. Probably mostly because we were in (a very soft) shutdown earlier and because of that protests started earlier, too.
There was a protest with over 20k participants last week in Germany. I don't know at which of these people I'm the most angry at. I think the actual Nazis in there barely beat out the people who are a okay with marching shoulder to shoulder with Nazis.
This sums up how I feel as a front line health care provider.
I am in the business of saving lives.
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AbsalonLands of Always WinterRegistered Userregular
One of my best friends has confirmed covid. He's on the path to become police (we live in Sweden - the police here are good and nice) so I really hope he doesn't suffer any long-term effects.
Oregon is over 1100 cases a day with a population of roughly 4.2 million focused in about 5 major population centers. My population center which is probably about 180k is at about 50-100 cases per day depending on the day.
For comparison:
My town here in Norway is about 180k souls (about 40k of which are students). As of right now, we have about 8 cases per day (average over the last 14 days). Rising, and instituting soft restrictions.
We now have clear evidence from many nations and regions around the world that If you close schools, but keep indoor socializing etc, that cases continue to rise but if you keep schools open but ban indoor socializing (espescially closing bars and restaurants) cases CAN fall assuming precautions are done properly.
Cases in Ireland for example have fallen 80% over the last 3 weeks since their lockdown, during which schools and daycares have all remained open. Whereas here in the US we are closing schools, or keeping them closed and it is achieving nothing to prevent the spread of the disease.
Our lack of an informed government response is killing us by the thousands each day, despite the fact we now know the severity of lockdown deployed in the spring, despite cold weather now, is not what is needed to suppress viral spread. A four week national closure of all bars and restaurants paid for by the federal government might be enough all by itself to hold the line until the spring.
I wish we were in the position of genetically tracing Covid cases due to the rarity.
Considering that, on this scale, webguy and I are practically neighbors, so what he said also goes for me... yeah.
I'm really hoping Oregon doesn't fail right at the end, but I'm not holding out much hope. We should be shutting down again, but everyone is hamstrung by the economy and lack of any federal support.
At least the local news stopped reporting their bullshit "number of negative tests since the start of the pandemic." Guess that propaganda doesn't matter as much when the hospitals start filling up.
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webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
edited November 2020
All of these graphs are bad! State of Oregon numbers as of 11/12.
Just found out a family of my extended relatives all had COVID including their 95 yr old father, who is currently in hospital but apparently recovering.
They also completely drink the Trump Kool-aid.
I'm sure those two statements are completely un-related.
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webguy20I spend too much time on the InternetRegistered Userregular
Looks like Oregon is going to do a spring style lockdown in the 9 worst counties for two weeks starting on Wednesday, which will probably capture about 90% of the states population. Honestly it should be for a solid month.
There's rumblings that DeBlasio will be shutting down the public school system come Monday. I say rumblings because the Mayors office has no plan, leadership, or money so they just kinda decide things on a whim.
Looks like Oregon is going to do a spring style lockdown in the 9 worst counties for two weeks starting on Wednesday, which will probably capture about 90% of the states population. Honestly it should be for a solid month.
Thank goodness, you have to respond before your hospitals are overwhelmed. Encourage your friends and family to follow the rules.
Vermont has joined the 2nd lockdown party, with probably the most extreme restrictions in the country. No meeting with any other person outside of your immediate household, inside or outside. Bars and clubs closed (if there are any left that are still in business...) all sports canceled. I can't figure out how gyms or restaurants are still open, but otherwise it seems pretty thorough. Schools are still being left open for now, though many have already gone remote only. Hopefully we can get through the next month and avoid the worst of this national disaster. Funny thing is we're still below the 400 cases per million target that the state had been using for a while now, but it's good they're being so proactive about it.
Looks like Oregon is going to do a spring style lockdown in the 9 worst counties for two weeks starting on Wednesday, which will probably capture about 90% of the states population. Honestly it should be for a solid month.
Less robust than spring unfortunately
Urging all businesses to mandate work from home to the greatest extent possible.
Pausing long-term care facility visits to protect staff and residents.
Reducing maximum restaurant capacity to 50 people (including customers and staff) for indoor dining, with a maximum party size of six. Continuing to encourage outdoor dining and take out.
Reducing other indoor activity maximums capacity to 50 people (for example: gyms, fitness organizations/studios, bowling alleys, ice rinks, indoor sports, pools, museums).
Limiting social gatherings to your household, or no more than 6 people if the gathering includes those from outside your household, reducing the frequency of those social gatherings (significantly in a two-week period), and keeping the same 6 people in your social gathering circle.
And churches are excluded, no new restrictions there.
Like many other states, a slow rollback that will be less effective rather than a stronger one that might actually help get things under control.
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Also, ignoring needed dentistry is, unless you are a high risk group, about as dangerous as the coronavirus. We laugh at fillings these days because we HAVE dentists. A completely ignored cavity can routinely lead to a root canal infection, which can lead to your tooth dying in your mouth and rotting away which can ABSOLUTELY kill you or at least hospitalize you. Skip the cleanings, brush morning, noon and night, and do go to the dentist for needed work.
Cavities are actually serious business. look after your teeth.
I'm almost incredulous that they didn't at least put on a show for the first few cruises. Hold people in special quarantine hotels for a week with three tests, load the ship two weeks in advance with one crew, then have the crew on board for 2 weeks before the passengers boarded and so on. Some impossible to maintain level of precaution which would actually get you a known covid free ship and get people saying, "Hey, maybe its not so bad..."
Noone seems to be capable of actually taking the virus seriously for more than 5 minutes.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/key-west-large-cruise-ship-ban
Wonder if other places will start following suit.
I'm just shocked, absolutely shocked that they don't want those plague ships to dock there. Really, even in the best of times they're like a horde of locusts.
Gonna stay quarantined, get some more Vitamin D (which I should probably have more of anyway, since my current multivitamin doesn't get me to 100%) into my system, and hope that symptoms just forget to show up.
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Canada in general, as far as I know, is far from the collapse of its health care industry or one of the other worst case scenarios we're seeing play out, but we do have hot spots in a variety of provinces and major population centers, and we're seeing small 'anti-mask' rallies. Some of which has been tied to the same Trump/Pence/MAGA/2nd Amendment/QAnon style shit that makes me ever so grateful that the US's exports include that bullshit.
The internet has, to a very real extent, bred our minds so that we are 'memetically' more similar than our ancestors. Whereas before, conspiracy theories would face an incredibly broad range of competing ideas, which would lead to virulent rejection of the theories in many communities, we have been shaped just like a banana or a farmed rice variety. Our once valuable diversity of thought has been shaped and molded, meaning conspiracy theories spread far more effectively than before.
I'm like, 60% serious here. I genuinely do think there is something to the fact that to survive in the internet world, we have shaped our thinking to be in line with it. And that creates vulnerability, just like a loss of genetic diversity does.
Especially great because my fiancee has a relative who very well may pass away and people are coming here because of it.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuugh.
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no changes of alert levels, CBD (center city) is allowed to open back up. No events are cancelled. But public transport wearers are highly encouraged to continue wearing masks, and anybody going anywhere or doing anything where social distancing isn't possible are also highly encouraged to wear masks.
This is all a giant relief.
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Considering that, on this scale, webguy and I are practically neighbors, so what he said also goes for me... yeah.
Its a giant relief for everyone because while its a challenge for anyone to keep Covid out, finding that the way it 'sneaks in' is through the normal human chains of contact is critical and valuable learning for the world.
I'm really hoping Oregon doesn't fail right at the end, but I'm not holding out much hope. We should be shutting down again, but everyone is hamstrung by the economy and lack of any federal support.
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I really, truly, deeply wish that you were able to as well.
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Sovcit, Q, corona denialism; we're really fucking good at exporting culture around the world
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Well, covid exists in every country. QAnon and Sovcit only make sense in a US context.
In the Netherlands there are people who believe that it is governed by satanic child rapists and that Covid is a hoax to inject everyone with microchips.
Some think it's because we have more time to watch YouTube due to Covid.
YouTube algorithms steer you toward more of the same and if you want to know the truth about for instance Covid testing YouTube will serve you conspiracy theories and actual helpfull videos equally. If you than choose conspiracy theory or fake news video the algorithm thinks " you want more of that stuff" so all your search results and recommended videos start containing more of the same. Eventually you are stuck in the conspiracy rabbit hole.
It's in Dutch with English subtitles.
You'd think that about qanon, but it has totally spilled over to Europe by now. The Bill gates microships turned up on Germany way before the US as far as I can tell. Probably mostly because we were in (a very soft) shutdown earlier and because of that protests started earlier, too.
There was a protest with over 20k participants last week in Germany. I don't know at which of these people I'm the most angry at. I think the actual Nazis in there barely beat out the people who are a okay with marching shoulder to shoulder with Nazis.
Shit. Fingers crossed.
This sums up how I feel as a front line health care provider.
For comparison:
My town here in Norway is about 180k souls (about 40k of which are students). As of right now, we have about 8 cases per day (average over the last 14 days). Rising, and instituting soft restrictions.
(Official case number is 63/100k/14 days.)
We now have clear evidence from many nations and regions around the world that If you close schools, but keep indoor socializing etc, that cases continue to rise but if you keep schools open but ban indoor socializing (espescially closing bars and restaurants) cases CAN fall assuming precautions are done properly.
Cases in Ireland for example have fallen 80% over the last 3 weeks since their lockdown, during which schools and daycares have all remained open. Whereas here in the US we are closing schools, or keeping them closed and it is achieving nothing to prevent the spread of the disease.
Our lack of an informed government response is killing us by the thousands each day, despite the fact we now know the severity of lockdown deployed in the spring, despite cold weather now, is not what is needed to suppress viral spread. A four week national closure of all bars and restaurants paid for by the federal government might be enough all by itself to hold the line until the spring.
All because of Trumps rallies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-coronavirus-outbreak/2020/11/13/610eebcc-2539-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html
At least the local news stopped reporting their bullshit "number of negative tests since the start of the pandemic." Guess that propaganda doesn't matter as much when the hospitals start filling up.
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They also completely drink the Trump Kool-aid.
I'm sure those two statements are completely un-related.
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Thank goodness, you have to respond before your hospitals are overwhelmed. Encourage your friends and family to follow the rules.
Vermont has joined the 2nd lockdown party, with probably the most extreme restrictions in the country. No meeting with any other person outside of your immediate household, inside or outside. Bars and clubs closed (if there are any left that are still in business...) all sports canceled. I can't figure out how gyms or restaurants are still open, but otherwise it seems pretty thorough. Schools are still being left open for now, though many have already gone remote only. Hopefully we can get through the next month and avoid the worst of this national disaster. Funny thing is we're still below the 400 cases per million target that the state had been using for a while now, but it's good they're being so proactive about it.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/tech/elon-musk-covid-spacex-nasa-astronauts-scn/index.html
Less robust than spring unfortunately
And churches are excluded, no new restrictions there.
Like many other states, a slow rollback that will be less effective rather than a stronger one that might actually help get things under control.