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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread: Vaccines!
Looks like Oregon is going to do a spring style lockdown in the 9 worst counties for two weeks starting on Wednesday, which will probably capture about 90% of the states population. Honestly it should be for a solid month.
Less robust than spring unfortunately
Urging all businesses to mandate work from home to the greatest extent possible.
Pausing long-term care facility visits to protect staff and residents.
Reducing maximum restaurant capacity to 50 people (including customers and staff) for indoor dining, with a maximum party size of six. Continuing to encourage outdoor dining and take out.
Reducing other indoor activity maximums capacity to 50 people (for example: gyms, fitness organizations/studios, bowling alleys, ice rinks, indoor sports, pools, museums).
Limiting social gatherings to your household, or no more than 6 people if the gathering includes those from outside your household, reducing the frequency of those social gatherings (significantly in a two-week period), and keeping the same 6 people in your social gathering circle.
And churches are excluded, no new restrictions there.
Like many other states, a slow rollback that will be less effective rather than a stronger one that might actually help get things under control.
No, that's the restriction they announced last week. There is a new one today. It's still not great, but its better.
Per this article (which infuriatingly doesn't list the 9 counties effected).
According to the Governor's office, the freeze measures include all of the following:
Limiting social get-togethers (indoors and outdoors) to no more than six people, total, from no more than two households.
Limiting faith based organizations to a maximum of 25 people indoors or 50 people outdoors.
Limiting restaurants and bars to take-out only.
Closing gyms and fitness organizations.
Closing indoor recreational facilities, museums, indoor entertainment activities, and indoor pools and sports courts.
Closing outdoor recreational facilities, zoos, gardens, aquariums, outdoor entertainment activities, and outdoor pools.
Limiting grocery stores and pharmacies to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Limiting retail stores and retail malls (indoor and outdoor) to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Closing venues (that host or facilitate indoor or outdoor events).
Requiring all businesses to mandate work-from-home to the greatest extent possible and closing offices to the public.
Prohibiting indoor visiting in long-term care facilities.
Ah, from pause to freeze, curse my weak google-fu.
Think it was 9 counties in the pause before so probably same 9, basically the Portland area and also easternmost counties.
Yea they are doing a shit job of laying out this info clearly. I wish my county would lock down. We're middle of the road as far as the state is concerned, about 60 cases a day, and we are on the "Watch list".
Michigan's growth rate is pretty terrifying. Our record setting case load yesterday was 6940. Today it's 8516. Doubled in about a week.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Michigan's growth rate is pretty terrifying. Our record setting case load yesterday was 6940. Today it's 8516. Doubled in about a week.
Three weeks ago, Michigan was averaging like 1500-1600 cases a day spread out over 10 million. With this result, the are at about 5500-6000 a day average. The courts ruled that the governor can't make emergency orders to deal with this, the legislature isnt meeting until December and even then it seems unlikely that the Republicans will want to do anything about this. No one cares! While I dont think the spread is that bad at the big box stores where everyone generally wears masks and schools (where the places that are open seem to be somewhat successful at limiting cases), it seems like its spreading because everyone is just hanging out with other people that they dont think they need to wear masks with.
excellent healthcare or not, it makes you wonder how many of these people are actually going to serve out their terms, and in what mental state.* -_-;;;
I suppose most of them are probably younger than the average Senator, but even still...
* a minor plot point in the Legacy of Heorot SF series is what happens when you take a bunch of otherwise fit and intelligent colonists, put them in cryo for the interstellar journey, and give them cases of "freezer burn" that vary in severity from undetectable to incapacitating.
Our office strictly follows the guidance of the Office of Attending Physician, including for this dinner. To be a further model for the nation, this event has been modified to allow Members-elect to pick up their meals to go in a socially-distanced manner.
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Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
Members-elect are now picking up their boxed meals and departing the Capitol. There is no group dinner. Members-elect are in DC already for orientation.
lol there's an orientation? awesome
do they have to watch HR videos made in the 80s on VHS tapes? and then may afterwards do some teambuilding activities? maybe a trust fall?
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"We're only getting together for Thanksgiving" is 2020's answer to "we'll cover more ground if we split up" or "I'll go reset the breakers in the basement by myself."
(that's just the start, go read the whole thing)
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Looks like Oregon's new lockdown is going state wide through the 2nd, and Portland through the 16th. Good! Article here
Like, I’ve always been ambivalent towards Pelosi’s style of governance; I’m normally rather pragmatic about political debates and there’s some things she does that I like, and some things I am vehemently against. I allow myself at times to understand that things I disagree with are pragmatic actions towards the greater good, but there just isn’t any positive side I can see with even pretending a large party in the midst of a pandemic could ever be a good idea.
I don’t know how much personal involvement she had in a welcoming party for new reps, but the fact that it even got to the point where it took public backlash to alter plans makes me want to tell Pelosi to go fuck herself. To her face.
I’m pissed I even had to make a post explaining why it’s bullshit.
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Like, I’ve always been ambivalent towards Pelosi’s style of governance; I’m normally rather pragmatic about political debates and there’s some things she does that I like, and some things I am vehemently against. I allow myself at times to understand that things I disagree with are pragmatic actions towards the greater good, but there just isn’t any positive side I can see with even pretending a large party in the midst of a pandemic could ever be a good idea.
I don’t know how much personal involvement she had in a welcoming party for new reps, but the fact that it even got to the point where it took public backlash to alter plans makes me want to tell Pelosi to go fuck herself. To her face.
I’m pissed I even had to make a post explaining why it’s bullshit.
Especially with Thanksgiving coming up. Being an example to the nation of how to do a large gathering correctly (i.e. don't) is important, and could literally save lives combined with the proper messaging. (It would work better if half the country wouldn't do the opposite out of spite, but they were going to do that anyway.)
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Looks like Oregon's new lockdown is going state wide through the 2nd, and Portland through the 16th. Good! Article here
I wonder if I'm going to have to fight with my company to avoid going into Oregon for the next month. My job requires frequent travel to both Portland and southern Oregon, but five bucks says they're going to push back at me with the "we're classified as essential business!" bullshit and try to force me into those hot areas just to complete dumbass yearly maintenance by the arbitrary deadline.
Yikes the US week to week peak is scary, over the last month the difference has been 10k over previous week, then 20k, then 30k and this week 50k over last week. Last month I though we were seeing second order growth of a constant 10k added to the peek every week but this month is showing third order growth with an increase to the increase to the total.
To put this in linear motion terms, the count is not just moving and not just accelerating but now even the acceleration is increasing so there is a constant jerk being applied to the system.
Thanksgiving is coming up and finally some states are starting to lockdown.
By the time these actions start making a difference it'll be xmas and new years. I don't see any way for this current wave to crest until late January or February.
Looks like Oregon's new lockdown is going state wide through the 2nd, and Portland through the 16th. Good! Article here
I wonder if I'm going to have to fight with my company to avoid going into Oregon for the next month. My job requires frequent travel to both Portland and southern Oregon, but five bucks says they're going to push back at me with the "we're classified as essential business!" bullshit and try to force me into those hot areas just to complete dumbass yearly maintenance by the arbitrary deadline.
Depending on where your coming from Oregon is probably either equal or better. We're shutting down hopefully before absolute catastrophe, and only at complete shitshow. What kind of Maintenance would you be doing, lots of indoor stuff?
Looks like Oregon's new lockdown is going state wide through the 2nd, and Portland through the 16th. Good! Article here
I wonder if I'm going to have to fight with my company to avoid going into Oregon for the next month. My job requires frequent travel to both Portland and southern Oregon, but five bucks says they're going to push back at me with the "we're classified as essential business!" bullshit and try to force me into those hot areas just to complete dumbass yearly maintenance by the arbitrary deadline.
Depending on where your coming from Oregon is probably either equal or better. We're shutting down hopefully before absolute catastrophe, and only at complete shitshow. What kind of Maintenance would you be doing, lots of indoor stuff?
Yes, it's indoors. In labs. The exact kinds of labs with lots of COVID testing and taking samples from people for COVID testing! Hooray!
It's cool, though, we just got a huge five hundred dollar bonus for being the ones regularly going out and literally risking our lives so the company can maintain its business status quo. Totally worth it to have to travel around the major hotzones of the Pacific Northwest, where I have no choice but to regularly eat food other people have touched.
I can't even fucking imagine how miserable this all has to be for actual healthcare workers where they can get kicked straight to the curb for working insane hours helping people, and not even getting paid what they should be for it.
Yikes the US week to week peak is scary, over the last month the difference has been 10k over previous week, then 20k, then 30k and this week 50k over last week. Last month I though we were seeing second order growth of a constant 10k added to the peek every week but this month is showing third order growth with an increase to the increase to the total.
To put this in linear motion terms, the count is not just moving and not just accelerating but now even the acceleration is increasing so there is a constant jerk being applied to the system.
Thanksgiving is coming up and finally some states are starting to lockdown.
By the time these actions start making a difference it'll be xmas and new years. I don't see any way for this current wave to crest until late January or February.
Yeah, we are squarely in exponential growth territory right now. We need to lock down two weeks ago. Failing that, tomorrow would be a good idea.
It's actively a tragedy that the Sad Cheetoh continues to absolutely refuse to cooperate with the Biden administration, as waiting until January for an intelligent adult to handle this situation is going to cost a lot more lives than it should.
I just hope city mayors and state governors have generally wised up enough to do what has to be done while waiting for a functioning Federal government to come into play.
Looks like Oregon's new lockdown is going state wide through the 2nd, and Portland through the 16th. Good! Article here
I wonder if I'm going to have to fight with my company to avoid going into Oregon for the next month. My job requires frequent travel to both Portland and southern Oregon, but five bucks says they're going to push back at me with the "we're classified as essential business!" bullshit and try to force me into those hot areas just to complete dumbass yearly maintenance by the arbitrary deadline.
Depending on where your coming from Oregon is probably either equal or better. We're shutting down hopefully before absolute catastrophe, and only at complete shitshow. What kind of Maintenance would you be doing, lots of indoor stuff?
Yes, it's indoors. In labs. The exact kinds of labs with lots of COVID testing and taking samples from people for COVID testing! Hooray!
It's cool, though, we just got a huge five hundred dollar bonus for being the ones regularly going out and literally risking our lives so the company can maintain its business status quo. Totally worth it to have to travel around the major hotzones of the Pacific Northwest, where I have no choice but to regularly eat food other people have touched.
I can't even fucking imagine how miserable this all has to be for actual healthcare workers where they can get kicked straight to the curb for working insane hours helping people, and not even getting paid what they should be for it.
There's not much evidence Covid spreads via contact with food or whatnot, at least, so that's... better than nothing for you?
Yikes the US week to week peak is scary, over the last month the difference has been 10k over previous week, then 20k, then 30k and this week 50k over last week. Last month I though we were seeing second order growth of a constant 10k added to the peek every week but this month is showing third order growth with an increase to the increase to the total.
To put this in linear motion terms, the count is not just moving and not just accelerating but now even the acceleration is increasing so there is a constant jerk being applied to the system.
Thanksgiving is coming up and finally some states are starting to lockdown.
By the time these actions start making a difference it'll be xmas and new years. I don't see any way for this current wave to crest until late January or February.
Yeah, we are squarely in exponential growth territory right now. We need to lock down two weeks ago. Failing that, tomorrow would be a good idea.
It's actively a tragedy that the Sad Cheetoh continues to absolutely refuse to cooperate with the Biden administration, as waiting until January for an intelligent adult to handle this situation is going to cost a lot more lives than it should.
I just hope city mayors and state governors have generally wised up enough to do what has to be done while waiting for a functioning Federal government to come into play.
Thanksgiving should be canceled. I mean it, swear to God.
It won't be, of course, but it should.
Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Thanksgiving should be canceled. I mean it, swear to God.
It won't be, of course, but it should.
Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Black Friday
Going to have a whole different meaning after 2020.
Like, national day of mourning meaning, potentially.
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Thanksgiving should be canceled. I mean it, swear to God.
It won't be, of course, but it should.
Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Sadly/fortunately shopping allows the use of masks, eating family dinner does not. Thanksgiving will be a hundred times worse than Black Friday
Thanksgiving should be canceled. I mean it, swear to God.
It won't be, of course, but it should.
Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Black Friday
Going to have a whole different meaning after 2020.
Like, national day of mourning meaning, potentially.
Nah. That'd require the populace understanding that the deathis in early January are the result of something that happened 4-6 weeks earlier.
And there's no evidence of that. People as a whole just don't seem to grasp the incubation/hospitalization/fatality timeframe that's been relatively consistent when also factoring the exponential spread.
If it's not direct cause and effect, it doesn't seem to sink in.
I mean, it IS very complicated considering there are...
1) Changing test availabilities
2) Changing standards for hospitalizations
3) Unstable population distributions at low case counts
4) Changing effectiveness of care
5) Exponential growth (and decay)
and so on. It's HARD to know what is really going on and what we should really expect. Even governments keep falling into the trap of 'low means good', where in fact 'cases are falling' is good.
Thanksgiving should be canceled. I mean it, swear to God.
It won't be, of course, but it should.
Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Sadly/fortunately shopping allows the use of masks, eating family dinner does not. Thanksgiving will be a hundred times worse than Black Friday
I’m not optimistic that many of the people who will think that Black Friday is a great idea will also be thinking that masks are a great idea.
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No, that's the restriction they announced last week. There is a new one today. It's still not great, but its better.
Per this article (which infuriatingly doesn't list the 9 counties effected).
According to the Governor's office, the freeze measures include all of the following:
Limiting social get-togethers (indoors and outdoors) to no more than six people, total, from no more than two households.
Limiting faith based organizations to a maximum of 25 people indoors or 50 people outdoors.
Limiting restaurants and bars to take-out only.
Closing gyms and fitness organizations.
Closing indoor recreational facilities, museums, indoor entertainment activities, and indoor pools and sports courts.
Closing outdoor recreational facilities, zoos, gardens, aquariums, outdoor entertainment activities, and outdoor pools.
Limiting grocery stores and pharmacies to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Limiting retail stores and retail malls (indoor and outdoor) to a maximum of 75% capacity and encouraging curbside pick-up.
Closing venues (that host or facilitate indoor or outdoor events).
Requiring all businesses to mandate work-from-home to the greatest extent possible and closing offices to the public.
Prohibiting indoor visiting in long-term care facilities.
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Think it was 9 counties in the pause before so probably same 9, basically the Portland area and also easternmost counties.
Edit: looks like freeze is statewide and not just the worst counties
Yea they are doing a shit job of laying out this info clearly. I wish my county would lock down. We're middle of the road as far as the state is concerned, about 60 cases a day, and we are on the "Watch list".
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Three weeks ago, Michigan was averaging like 1500-1600 cases a day spread out over 10 million. With this result, the are at about 5500-6000 a day average. The courts ruled that the governor can't make emergency orders to deal with this, the legislature isnt meeting until December and even then it seems unlikely that the Republicans will want to do anything about this. No one cares! While I dont think the spread is that bad at the big box stores where everyone generally wears masks and schools (where the places that are open seem to be somewhat successful at limiting cases), it seems like its spreading because everyone is just hanging out with other people that they dont think they need to wear masks with.
Thanksgiving is going to be awful this year.
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It won't be, of course, but it should.
Honestly at this point, Christmas too.
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So yeah, in Canada our thanksgiving was October 12th. Guess what happened to Covid case rates after that?
Edit: You don't need to guess, here's the chart for BC.
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Way to set an example for something that could not matter less you utter psychopaths.
I suppose most of them are probably younger than the average Senator, but even still...
* a minor plot point in the Legacy of Heorot SF series is what happens when you take a bunch of otherwise fit and intelligent colonists, put them in cryo for the interstellar journey, and give them cases of "freezer burn" that vary in severity from undetectable to incapacitating.
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do they have to watch HR videos made in the 80s on VHS tapes? and then may afterwards do some teambuilding activities? maybe a trust fall?
Based on the immediate criticism and backlash? Oh, most definitely.
Pelosi had a freebie at messaging to set them apart from the GOP and completely fucked it.
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I don’t know how much personal involvement she had in a welcoming party for new reps, but the fact that it even got to the point where it took public backlash to alter plans makes me want to tell Pelosi to go fuck herself. To her face.
I’m pissed I even had to make a post explaining why it’s bullshit.
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Especially with Thanksgiving coming up. Being an example to the nation of how to do a large gathering correctly (i.e. don't) is important, and could literally save lives combined with the proper messaging. (It would work better if half the country wouldn't do the opposite out of spite, but they were going to do that anyway.)
I wonder if I'm going to have to fight with my company to avoid going into Oregon for the next month. My job requires frequent travel to both Portland and southern Oregon, but five bucks says they're going to push back at me with the "we're classified as essential business!" bullshit and try to force me into those hot areas just to complete dumbass yearly maintenance by the arbitrary deadline.
To put this in linear motion terms, the count is not just moving and not just accelerating but now even the acceleration is increasing so there is a constant jerk being applied to the system.
Thanksgiving is coming up and finally some states are starting to lockdown.
By the time these actions start making a difference it'll be xmas and new years. I don't see any way for this current wave to crest until late January or February.
Depending on where your coming from Oregon is probably either equal or better. We're shutting down hopefully before absolute catastrophe, and only at complete shitshow. What kind of Maintenance would you be doing, lots of indoor stuff?
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Yes, it's indoors. In labs. The exact kinds of labs with lots of COVID testing and taking samples from people for COVID testing! Hooray!
It's cool, though, we just got a huge five hundred dollar bonus for being the ones regularly going out and literally risking our lives so the company can maintain its business status quo. Totally worth it to have to travel around the major hotzones of the Pacific Northwest, where I have no choice but to regularly eat food other people have touched.
I can't even fucking imagine how miserable this all has to be for actual healthcare workers where they can get kicked straight to the curb for working insane hours helping people, and not even getting paid what they should be for it.
going into other people's homes to spread disease is kinda what the holiday is about though
It's actively a tragedy that the Sad Cheetoh continues to absolutely refuse to cooperate with the Biden administration, as waiting until January for an intelligent adult to handle this situation is going to cost a lot more lives than it should.
I just hope city mayors and state governors have generally wised up enough to do what has to be done while waiting for a functioning Federal government to come into play.
There's not much evidence Covid spreads via contact with food or whatnot, at least, so that's... better than nothing for you?
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Even if they do, the general public have not.
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Forget thanksgiving, think about fucking black friday. Everyones family has 1 crazy person that thinks their regular holiday shopping has to happen on that day, packed in trampling crowds.
Black Friday
Going to have a whole different meaning after 2020.
Like, national day of mourning meaning, potentially.
Sadly/fortunately shopping allows the use of masks, eating family dinner does not. Thanksgiving will be a hundred times worse than Black Friday
I mean, it IS very complicated considering there are...
1) Changing test availabilities
2) Changing standards for hospitalizations
3) Unstable population distributions at low case counts
4) Changing effectiveness of care
5) Exponential growth (and decay)
and so on. It's HARD to know what is really going on and what we should really expect. Even governments keep falling into the trap of 'low means good', where in fact 'cases are falling' is good.
I’m not optimistic that many of the people who will think that Black Friday is a great idea will also be thinking that masks are a great idea.