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[Destiny 2] Beyond Light: Out Now!

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    The same thing happened for my Flawless title, what I thought was Gilding was just unlocking Flawless again but for this season, and then doing that unlocked 5 more challenges which are more... Challenging. Got my hopes up for no reason, bunglo why you hide these challenges like that?
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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    What's even more annoying is, had I known about that triumph for carrying someone, I would have equipped the proper emblem earlier this season... If it even was retroactive like that. To know I actually managed a carry once and it didn't count because arbitrary reasons is pretty gosh darn silly.

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  • ArteenArteen Adept ValeRegistered User regular
    What's even more annoying is, had I known about that triumph for carrying someone, I would have equipped the proper emblem earlier this season... If it even was retroactive like that. To know I actually managed a carry once and it didn't count because arbitrary reasons is pretty gosh darn silly.

    I believe the "carry" triumphs now only require the player to not have gone flawless in the current season, so that's a silver lining.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Yeah twitch mentioned that, which is nice, but still pretty tough none the less.

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  • Zombie GandhiZombie Gandhi Registered User regular
    The requirements shouldn't be hidden.

    And Conquerer is annoying because you straight up can't work on it earlier in the season. This is the first possible week to make progress.

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  • Dyvim TvarDyvim Tvar Registered User regular
    If anybody on the xbox (or Stadia lol) wants to just do some suicide runs for the trials HC then feel free to hmu.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Conqueror seems pretty reasonable to me. The title itself is actually easier to get now since the stuff you actually have to try for is just:
    - 6 different GM NF completions and it's retroactive
    - one GM NF completed with each different subclass

    Then to guild it you just need a single completion of each of this season's GM Nightfalls. Which is basically just what Conqueror used to require.

    Seems a hell of a lot less crazy then that Flawless title stuff posted above.

  • Zombie GandhiZombie Gandhi Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Conqueror seems pretty reasonable to me. The title itself is actually easier to get now since the stuff you actually have to try for is just:
    - 6 different GM NF completions and it's retroactive
    - one GM NF completed with each different subclass

    Then to guild it you just need a single completion of each of this season's GM Nightfalls. Which is basically just what Conqueror used to require.

    Seems a hell of a lot less crazy then that Flawless title stuff posted above.

    Flawless is absolutely harder. I am mostly annoyed because of less time to do it due to late in season, as well as hidden requirements.

    That and apparently the first four element completions don't count to the individual strike count? So any runs before the 4 elements are done don't count.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I got the From the Brink medal! Oh man, that was fun. You can tell after they got the 4-0, they started playing conservative, and once we took a couple of rounds they played even tighter. Oops.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Just went Flawless, and on stream no less! I don't know what they changed but matchmaking feels a lot better recently?

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  • CatalaseCatalase Registered User regular
    Conqueror is dumb because by the time you can actually get the gilded title the season is almost over and they take it away

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    https://youtu.be/QTukIHtfv-o

    Setting up myself with a couple of grenades.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    New flawless shell, got it on win 7 but not sure if it requires flawless or not
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Saw the PVP quests for the season and touched it for the first time since I think Beyond Light launched. Stasis is indeed fucking horrible in Crucible, as expected. Seasonal Bow was real butts to get those 13 kills with. Grenade Launchers are fun and can work as impromptu shotguns if you don't mind dying in the process. Excellent when you only have a single shot left anyways....

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Tried to edit some stream highlights, my first time editing like a 2 hour video down to something easier to watch, but I know I missed a few cool things so I have the full stream on my youtube as well and the vod is still on my twitch
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  • SirialisSirialis of the Halite Throne. Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    We did our usual sunday morning raid and yikes, destinys servers felt like they were melting the whole time today.

    Enemies regained full health after getting “killed”, walked into the ground or just were impervious to damage for a while, “teleports” even more regular than usual etc.

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  • rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?

  • Zombie GandhiZombie Gandhi Registered User regular
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?
    I mean, it seemed like a lot of the research that Clovis did tied to Clarity Control was using Darkness, so in theory, doesn't seem impossible. The player unlocks more abilities by helping Elsie work through Clovis research, so perhaps he was on his way.

    Also, I always interpreted Guardian's connection to the Light/Traveler as like, your Ghost keeps your flame kindled beyond some normal amount. Once your ghost goes out, it's not instant loss of light, but you are going to burn out. That may have changed with how Ghaul fucked everyone, but maybe that's cause he imprisoned the Traveler, not just a random ghost. But I based that on Eriana-3 going out like a boss (presumably after her Ghost was lost), and also the idea that like Eris/Osiris/Saint-14 are all still alive, despite being severed from revives/light.

    Cause yeah, how does an undying Revenant persist without the Light entirely? Why wouldn't they keel over if there wasn't some fundamental essence still available.

    Ghost recharge battery!

    This is probably dumb, I just imagined Eriana-3 popping Radiance even when her ghost was lost and just burning out eventually.

  • TamerBillTamerBill Registered User regular
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?

    We know they can, because
    we've already seen it. The Exo Stranger was never a light-bearer, and Eris Morn lost her light years ago. Drifter and the player are the only ones who have light and dark.

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  • rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    TamerBill wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?

    We know they can, because
    we've already seen it. The Exo Stranger was never a light-bearer, and Eris Morn lost her light years ago. Drifter and the player are the only ones who have light and dark.
    But Eris was a light-bearer at one point, so is more analogous to Osiris. Exo/Clovis is an interesting point. Is it explained yet what her weird squid ghost is? It just seems odd that the application of darkness powers is exclusively to guardians rather than all of the other human fighters for whom stasis+resurrection would be life-altering.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    They've said the Stranger's jellfish isn't a Ghost, but my speculation is it's perhaps one of the Nine

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    The Stranger's jellyfish is weird because I'm not sure it ever shows up in game.

    Honestly, there's a ton of scenes from the Beyond Light trailers that hasn't or doesn't appear in game anywhere from what I can tell.

    I really wonder if BL was a complete mess behind the scenes because of COVID and a ton of stuff got cut for time and that's why the narrative is pretty disjointed and random and there's no introduction to the Stranger/Drifter/Eris trinity showing up.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?
    They could probably use it the way the Fallen did, via some kind of technology. It seems like that's what Clovis was up to and that might be how the Stranger does it too. I'm not sure if there's some way outside of that. So far we only know about Lightbearers doing it other then the above examples. But maybe they could.

    I mean, it seemed like a lot of the research that Clovis did tied to Clarity Control was using Darkness, so in theory, doesn't seem impossible. The player unlocks more abilities by helping Elsie work through Clovis research, so perhaps he was on his way.

    Also, I always interpreted Guardian's connection to the Light/Traveler as like, your Ghost keeps your flame kindled beyond some normal amount. Once your ghost goes out, it's not instant loss of light, but you are going to burn out. That may have changed with how Ghaul fucked everyone, but maybe that's cause he imprisoned the Traveler, not just a random ghost. But I based that on Eriana-3 going out like a boss (presumably after her Ghost was lost), and also the idea that like Eris/Osiris/Saint-14 are all still alive, despite being severed from revives/light.

    Cause yeah, how does an undying Revenant persist without the Light entirely? Why wouldn't they keel over if there wasn't some fundamental essence still available.

    Ghost recharge battery!

    This is probably dumb, I just imagined Eriana-3 popping Radiance even when her ghost was lost and just burning out eventually.

    It doesn't seem like that's the way Guardians work. They aren't sustained moment to moment by the light. They need the Light to come back to life and to use their powers but absent the Light they are just normal humans. Who maybe don't age, although that's not 100% clear.

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    rndmhero wrote: »
    TamerBill wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?

    We know they can, because
    we've already seen it. The Exo Stranger was never a light-bearer, and Eris Morn lost her light years ago. Drifter and the player are the only ones who have light and dark.
    But Eris was a light-bearer at one point, so is more analogous to Osiris. Exo/Clovis is an interesting point. Is it explained yet what her weird squid ghost is? It just seems odd that the application of darkness powers is exclusively to guardians rather than all of the other human fighters for whom stasis+resurrection would be life-altering.

    On Elise/Exo:
    The exo's work because their brain medium is vex radiolaria "purified" by the darkness via Clarity Control. So its possible that all exo may be able to wield stasis/darkness powers.

  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?
    They could probably use it the way the Fallen did, via some kind of technology. It seems like that's what Clovis was up to and that might be how the Stranger does it too. I'm not sure if there's some way outside of that. So far we only know about Lightbearers doing it other then the above examples. But maybe they could.

    I mean, it seemed like a lot of the research that Clovis did tied to Clarity Control was using Darkness, so in theory, doesn't seem impossible. The player unlocks more abilities by helping Elsie work through Clovis research, so perhaps he was on his way.

    Also, I always interpreted Guardian's connection to the Light/Traveler as like, your Ghost keeps your flame kindled beyond some normal amount. Once your ghost goes out, it's not instant loss of light, but you are going to burn out. That may have changed with how Ghaul fucked everyone, but maybe that's cause he imprisoned the Traveler, not just a random ghost. But I based that on Eriana-3 going out like a boss (presumably after her Ghost was lost), and also the idea that like Eris/Osiris/Saint-14 are all still alive, despite being severed from revives/light.

    Cause yeah, how does an undying Revenant persist without the Light entirely? Why wouldn't they keel over if there wasn't some fundamental essence still available.

    Ghost recharge battery!

    This is probably dumb, I just imagined Eriana-3 popping Radiance even when her ghost was lost and just burning out eventually.

    It doesn't seem like that's the way Guardians work. They aren't sustained moment to moment by the light. They need the Light to come back to life and to use their powers but absent the Light they are just normal humans. Who maybe don't age, although that's not 100% clear.

    Based on Ikora, I think human Guardians age very slowly or not at all. I've never seen a single lore card speak of the Guardian's bodies aging. Starving to death, yes, aging no.

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  • DysDys how am I even using this gun Registered User regular
    ronzo wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    TamerBill wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?

    We know they can, because
    we've already seen it. The Exo Stranger was never a light-bearer, and Eris Morn lost her light years ago. Drifter and the player are the only ones who have light and dark.
    But Eris was a light-bearer at one point, so is more analogous to Osiris. Exo/Clovis is an interesting point. Is it explained yet what her weird squid ghost is? It just seems odd that the application of darkness powers is exclusively to guardians rather than all of the other human fighters for whom stasis+resurrection would be life-altering.

    On Elise/Exo:
    The exo's work because their brain medium is vex radiolaria "purified" by the darkness via Clarity Control. So its possible that all exo may be able to wield stasis/darkness powers.
    And that only works because Clovis found the Entity on Europa that the darkness guided him to. He explicitly mentions in the lore that he derived the essence of it (or something like that) and how that interacted with existing matter in way that didn't make sense, at least in regards to the laws of physics.

  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    The way I think about Ghosts is that they're sorta like car batteries that have just enough power to provide the spark to keep an internal combustion engine running but not enough to start the engine from scratch. So when you die, the Ghost needs to get a "jump" from either the Traveler directly or another Ghost to have enough power to kick off the resurrection process. Also your Light abilities charge over time similar to how a car battery retains its charge over time as long as the engine is running. Killing a Ghost means you need that small trickle of energy keeping your shambling zombie corpse's engine running from something else, be it Hive magic, the Traveler's background Light radiation, the Darkness, or something else.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    rndmhero wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    Question to people who know more about the lore, about the ending of the Beyond Light campaign.
    So, apparently Darkness is intrinsic to all life, so we can use it without the splinter training wheels once we know what we're doing.

    What I'm curious about is...can Guardians not wield Light at all without a Ghost as a conduit, like it gets frozen and we're instantly Light-less? Or did we just need Stasis to break Stasis in that particular situation and if Light could have been useful we could have used it anyway and the taunting about being deprived of our Light was just empty taunting?
    AFAIK Guardians use their Ghosts as a conduit for wielding the Light. The Ghost is our connection to the Light and without it, we got nothing. But it seems like we've established a connection directly with the darkness to wield stasis though. They've said at some point that wielding stasis will come back to haunt us. I wonder if that's going to be a part of it.

    Hypothetical question:
    Is there any reason lightless humans couldn't use stasis? So far the stasis abilities have only been shown with Light-wielding guardians, but is there any reason why Surya couldn't commune with darkness and become a stasis guardian?
    They could probably use it the way the Fallen did, via some kind of technology. It seems like that's what Clovis was up to and that might be how the Stranger does it too. I'm not sure if there's some way outside of that. So far we only know about Lightbearers doing it other then the above examples. But maybe they could.

    I mean, it seemed like a lot of the research that Clovis did tied to Clarity Control was using Darkness, so in theory, doesn't seem impossible. The player unlocks more abilities by helping Elsie work through Clovis research, so perhaps he was on his way.

    Also, I always interpreted Guardian's connection to the Light/Traveler as like, your Ghost keeps your flame kindled beyond some normal amount. Once your ghost goes out, it's not instant loss of light, but you are going to burn out. That may have changed with how Ghaul fucked everyone, but maybe that's cause he imprisoned the Traveler, not just a random ghost. But I based that on Eriana-3 going out like a boss (presumably after her Ghost was lost), and also the idea that like Eris/Osiris/Saint-14 are all still alive, despite being severed from revives/light.

    Cause yeah, how does an undying Revenant persist without the Light entirely? Why wouldn't they keel over if there wasn't some fundamental essence still available.

    Ghost recharge battery!

    This is probably dumb, I just imagined Eriana-3 popping Radiance even when her ghost was lost and just burning out eventually.

    It doesn't seem like that's the way Guardians work. They aren't sustained moment to moment by the light. They need the Light to come back to life and to use their powers but absent the Light they are just normal humans. Who maybe don't age, although that's not 100% clear.

    Based on Ikora, I think human Guardians age very slowly or not at all. I've never seen a single lore card speak of the Guardian's bodies aging. Starving to death, yes, aging no.

    Just based on Eris my suspicion is that Guardian bodies don't age at all, whether their ghost is alive or not. I'm not certain on that though.

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    About prerequisites for interacting with the Darkness...

    From what I was reading, the lore suggests all living beings have Darkness in them? If the Gardener and Winnower metaphor/story is accurate, Darkness is/seeks to preserve the natural state of things, and the Light makes/is the (first) outside intervention.

    https://www.destinypedia.com/Garden
    I looked up in shock. I said, What? What do you mean?

    "A special new rule. Something to…" The gardener threw up their hands in exasperation. "I don't know. To reward those who make space for new complexity. A power that helps those who make strength from heterodoxy, and who steer the game away from gridlock. Something to ensure there's always someone building something new. It'll have to be separate from the rest of the rules, running in parallel, so it can't be compromised. And we'll have to be very careful, so it doesn't disrupt the whole game…"

    All you will do, I said, with rising panic|fury, is delay the dominant pattern that will overrun the others. It is inevitable. One final shape.

    "No, it'll be different. Everything will be different, everywhere you look."

    Everything will be the same. Your new rule will only make great false cysts of horror full of things that should not exist that cannot withstand existence that will suffer and scream as their rich blisters fill with effluent and rot around them, and when they pop they will blight the whole garden. Whatever exists because it must exist and because it permits no other way of existence has the absolute claim to existence. That is the only law.

    "No," the gardener said, "I am the growth and preservation of complexity. I will make myself into a law in the game."

    And thus we two became parts of the game, and the laws of the game became nomic and open to change by our influence. And I had only one purpose and one principle in the game. And I could do nothing but continue to enact that purpose, because it was all that I was and ever would be.

    I looked at the gardener.

    I looked at my hands.

    I discovered the first knife.

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  • OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    Pretty sure the strangers jellyfish was going to be the start of a ghost alternative. Just another customization option or MT vehicle. Like how in warframe you could have a little drone follow you. Later they added mutant dogs.

    They probably paid for the cinematic before they realized their production output couldn't handle the work to get it in game

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  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Yo, when is the weekly reset? And is there anywhere in-game that tracks which powerful & pinnacle rewards you've claimed for that week?

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  • OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Yo, when is the weekly reset? And is there anywhere in-game that tracks which powerful & pinnacle rewards you've claimed for that week?

    Tuesdays, 1300 EST (or 1200, I think it flops with daylight savings?). So, just account for your timezone.

    It works great for me, because it means if I play early in the day I can do one set of bounties and then do another in the afternoon.

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    I mean I'm a little confused about the entire opening cinematic for Beyond Light; it seems like The Stranger arrives in the weird ship with the fins like her ghost/not ghost, only it crashes and becomes the ziggurat that we use to commune with the darkness, so what the frick is that thing and how did she get it and did she fly it to Europa from her alternative timeline and if so is it a time machine? The cutscene was cool as hell, top 5 in Destiny history IMO, but I don't completely get it and I read all of the lore I can get my hands on.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    I mean I'm a little confused about the entire opening cinematic for Beyond Light; it seems like The Stranger arrives in the weird ship with the fins like her ghost/not ghost, only it crashes and becomes the ziggurat that we use to commune with the darkness, so what the frick is that thing and how did she get it and did she fly it to Europa from her alternative timeline and if so is it a time machine? The cutscene was cool as hell, top 5 in Destiny history IMO, but I don't completely get it and I read all of the lore I can get my hands on.

    The Ziggurat comes from the Pyramid. You can see it come from there at the opening of the cinematic it appears in and it's made of the same weird shifting geometric material as the various other pyramid objects. The Stranger presumably comes in her own ship or teleported there via time magic or whatever.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    I guess I'll have to go watch it again, oh nooooo

    Also if you like PvP or just people doing crazy stuff and you don't follow Cerridius, you should. This video makes me upset with how easy he makes it look because I know if I tried this nonsense I would die immediately and often.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H8yK5Nx0M0

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    Yo, when is the weekly reset? And is there anywhere in-game that tracks which powerful & pinnacle rewards you've claimed for that week?

    Ion game you have to go and look at each source. I really recommend using both braytech.org and destiny item manager if you're on pc. Makes sorting things way easier

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  • OpposingFarceOpposingFarce Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    I guess I'll have to go watch it again, oh nooooo

    Also if you like PvP or just people doing crazy stuff and you don't follow Cerridius, you should. This video makes me upset with how easy he makes it look because I know if I tried this nonsense I would die immediately and often.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H8yK5Nx0M0

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  • Zombie GandhiZombie Gandhi Registered User regular
    Surplus/Vorpal Adept Swarm could be a bit promising....

    Only Stasis left to go for the element GM Triumph. Just in time Reset, I suppose.

  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    Was gearing up to go on LFG to look for a 3-wins-but-whatever-happens, happens group for trials and got randomly invited by a 2 stack while in the tower.

    Unfortunately, I was better than both of them, and since I don’t main Hunter, we got destroyed all but one match.

    But I got a high-cal, QuickDraw, rampage igneous hammer, so that’s all alright! Handling masterwork, but eh, them the breaks.

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