re: the big secret
I hope the reveal goes something like:
Osiris: The Crow was once Uldren Sov.
Ikora: We're sorry we kept this form you, Zavala, we-
Zavala: Of course he is. I'm not an idiot. And you're not the only one who gets intelligence reports. I thought we jus weren't talking about it because Uldren Sov is dead and bringing it up around Crow would be rude. Ana Bray is meant to be the exception, not the rule.
Speculation
Holliday gets her hands on the Psion weapon to kill Crow in revenge for Cayde-6, but Zavala dives in front of the freelance Guardian. The shot is not fatal, but it severs Zavala's connection to his Ghost and the Light.
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re: the big secret
I hope the reveal goes something like:
Osiris: The Crow was once Uldren Sov.
Ikora: We're sorry we kept this form you, Zavala, we-
Zavala: Of course he is. I'm not an idiot. And you're not the only one who gets intelligence reports. I thought we jus weren't talking about it because Uldren Sov is dead and bringing it up around Crow would be rude. Ana Bray is meant to be the exception, not the rule.
Speculation
Holliday gets her hands on the Psion weapon to kill Crow in revenge for Cayde-6, but Zavala dives in front of the freelance Guardian. The shot is not fatal, but it severs Zavala's connection to his Ghost and the Light.
re: the big secret
I hope the reveal goes something like:
Osiris: The Crow was once Uldren Sov.
Ikora: We're sorry we kept this form you, Zavala, we-
Zavala: Of course he is. I'm not an idiot. And you're not the only one who gets intelligence reports. I thought we jus weren't talking about it because Uldren Sov is dead and bringing it up around Crow would be rude. Ana Bray is meant to be the exception, not the rule.
Speculation
Holliday gets her hands on the Psion weapon to kill Crow in revenge for Cayde-6, but Zavala dives in front of the freelance Guardian. The shot is not fatal, but it severs Zavala's connection to his Ghost and the Light.
I dont want Holliday done dirty like that
Another Psion assassination attempt then? If one is going to introduce such a plot device, it has to get used.
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the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
I think emotion clouds judgement, and since we all kinda hated Cayde by the end of his tenure, we don't feel as bad about his death
I still liked Cayde by the end. I still like Cayde now when he shows up in strike voiceovers.
I'm not quite sure which parts of this story we're spoiling...
When he died I assumed it was going to end up being temporary. The fact that it wasn't seems fairly ballsy, seeing as Cayde was probably their most popular character.
Uldren getting resurrected as a Guardian was, I thought, another ballsy move since it forces you to face the whole "is a Guardian who they were before they died" question more head-on than Ana Bray ever did, and coming at it from the opposite direction.
I guess it's theoretically an interesting story beat to have some of the cast not come down on the right side of that question but I think making it the nominal paragon of Vanguard virtue is not interesting. Zavala is constantly getting dunked on for being on the wrong side of opinion. This is the one time where him being stiff and strictly adhering to Vanguard code should put him on the side of not judging Crow for Uldren's actions.
Making Amanda kill (or try to kill) Crow would make a lot more sense seeing as she's not a Guardian and wouldn't necessarily understand the difference, but I wouldn't like it.
Playing Trials this weekend made some of the complaints about stasis make more sense. It felt a lot more annoying to deal with in that environment then just 6v6 control imo.
Especially the duskfield grenade fucking yanking you from half-way across the map out into the open to be instantly killed and there goes that entire round.
Related to this, this clip happened with us during one of our Trials games. Initially, I thought he killed himself, but no, two duskfields yanked him with such velocity (and maybe he jumped?) that he died when he hit the wall.
The main story of D2 leaned a little too hard into wacky Cayde and not smarmy and understated D1 Cayde. So when they went to off him it felt like they dialed it up even further. Yeah I was kinda done with the tone of the game at that point. Red war and the dlc that followed were not fun and the low point of destiny lore.
The main story of D2 leaned a little too hard into wacky Cayde and not smarmy and understated D1 Cayde. So when they went to off him it felt like they dialed it up even further. Yeah I was kinda done with the tone of the game at that point. Red war and the dlc that followed were not fun and the low point of destiny lore.
Interesting, as someone who didn't play D1 I think Red War was the best campaign experience the game's had. There've been more interesting plot hooks and lore in some of the others, but none told their story as well as the Red War.
Pre-nerf, I would say that Stasis hunters were Tier S+, for literally all skill levels.
Below that you had Behemoth Titans and Top Dawn Warlocks. Both are S Tier if the people piloting them are skilled, but otherwise they couldn’t fully challenge hunters.
Chaos Reach was A Tier, no fancy tricks, so it’s stands out as being good without having to have additional skills beyond the normal good gunplay.
Nothing else really even came close in 3v3. Even warlock stasis isn’t that good, because outside the grenade the tools aren’t as good as Titan and hunters.
The main story of D2 leaned a little too hard into wacky Cayde and not smarmy and understated D1 Cayde. So when they went to off him it felt like they dialed it up even further. Yeah I was kinda done with the tone of the game at that point. Red war and the dlc that followed were not fun and the low point of destiny lore.
Interesting, as someone who didn't play D1 I think Red War was the best campaign experience the game's had. There've been more interesting plot hooks and lore in some of the others, but none told their story as well as the Red War.
I felt little to nothing for Ghaul (especially because we dispatch him a little too easily, he should really have been the boss of the first raid). It makes sense from a story perspective but lacks any sense of mystery. Regaining our light works on playthrough one, but doing it on our secondary characters is a boring chore. Imo the worst dialogue in the game is from this period, I cringe a lot at some of Cayde's jokes in the Arms Dealer strike.
Red War's story was pretty good despite Ghaul.
I think Beyond Light has had the most fleshed-out in-game story of any Destiny expansion, D1 or 2, even if the volume and intensity of the existing cast reactions to events leave something to be desired.
Playing Trials this weekend made some of the complaints about stasis make more sense. It felt a lot more annoying to deal with in that environment then just 6v6 control imo.
Especially the duskfield grenade fucking yanking you from half-way across the map out into the open to be instantly killed and there goes that entire round.
The Stasis nerfs this patch look pretty decent, might not "be enough" but duskfield grenades are substantially weaker, Titan super is moderately weaker, and Hunter neutral game is significantly weaker.
Warlocks now get Truth-level homing stasis super bolts but I don't think that matters much except for letting their super duel other highly mobile supers. Not like Stasis warlock was dominating PvP.
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the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
I think for people who only lightly grazed the story of the Destiny franchise, "funny robot man voiced by popular and charismatic actor" is going to be the absolute standout character.
Sure, if you've read hundreds of lore pages and can talk about the implications of sword logic and paracausality and have your own theory about whether Rasputin attacked the Traveller Cayde-6 was probably annoying and messed up the pacing of the game, but that character wasn't for that type of player.
The dialogue and story Cayde had in the epilogue / Ace of Spades mission was great, but I don't know how many players actually went through it.
the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
It's somewhat distressing to me how many people were down with executing Uldren on the spot when the narrative of Forsaken showed us the guy had some alien god crawling around in his head making him do crazy shit.
Yeah, I just managed to break free of a Behemoth freeze with my Rev ult and tie them for the first time, so Behemoth no long beats everything by default. Very nice.
I'm still topping the leaderboard as a Rev, I really think the next thing to come should be a Bakris nerf. Either a longer cooldown or less distance.
I won us a round this weekend by schooling a Behemoth Titan with my Behemoth Titan. He who pops super first, loses. He came at us and I broke his freeze, then froze him and one-punched him to death.
the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
It's somewhat distressing to me how many people were down with executing Uldren on the spot when the narrative of Forsaken showed us the guy had some alien god crawling around in his head making him do crazy shit.
Complicating factor there being that he seemed like the type to do what he did without that being an issue.
the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
It's somewhat distressing to me how many people were down with executing Uldren on the spot when the narrative of Forsaken showed us the guy had some alien god crawling around in his head making him do crazy shit.
Complicating factor there being that he seemed like the type to do what he did without that being an issue.
The lore from Forsaken on pre-Black-Garden Uldren is really interesting. You get a much better idea of the kind of person he used to be and why the Awoken loved him.
I got the exotic sparrow from the nightfall today on my second run. Apparently it's not that rare, but it made me happy. Pretty sure it wasen't there when the arms dealer was first introduced.
The main story of D2 leaned a little too hard into wacky Cayde and not smarmy and understated D1 Cayde. So when they went to off him it felt like they dialed it up even further. Yeah I was kinda done with the tone of the game at that point. Red war and the dlc that followed were not fun and the low point of destiny lore.
Like all of the writing from Y1 it's dumbed down and overly broad and misses the mark so bad. I always hated Cayde's stuff in Y1 because they just constantly dunk on him like he's an idiot most of the time and then you rewatch stuff from D1 and remember what it was like when he was better characterized. I think Failsafe is like the epitome of this whole style as it's a fun idea that gets tiresome because it's just trying too damn hard all the time.
Though honestly I think Red War has the bones of a decent enough story but they just do none of the work to make the characters or moments pop most of the time. Like, actually give each of the Vanguard a character arc. And maybe do something with Hawthorne.
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the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
It's somewhat distressing to me how many people were down with executing Uldren on the spot when the narrative of Forsaken showed us the guy had some alien god crawling around in his head making him do crazy shit.
Complicating factor there being that he seemed like the type to do what he did without that being an issue.
It's definitely playing on his worst qualities and obsessions (wish dragon) but I think "sane" Uldren would be smart enough to immediately know 1) this ain't my sister and 2) my sister would never ask me to do this shit.
story campaign ranking (excluding Beyond Light & Rise of Iron, which I haven't played)
Actually Really Good Tier:
Forsaken
Taken King
Good For Destiny Tier:
Warmind
House of Wolves
Okay Tier:
Shadowkeep
The Pretty Bad Tier:
D1 Vanilla
D2 Vanilla
Holy god this is so bad Tier:
Curse Of Osiris
I Can't Remember Tier:
The Dark Below
How you don't put forsaken at the top is beyond me, it had really fun missions, a good bad guy and the spider. And most importantly it didn't have endless missions of walking between rooms fighting three thralls in each room.
I think that's a pretty good ranking. I'd say current D2 Season of the Chosen is the best they've done with their story, even better than Forsaken and Taken King (I know it isn't on your list because you haven't played it).
the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
It's somewhat distressing to me how many people were down with executing Uldren on the spot when the narrative of Forsaken showed us the guy had some alien god crawling around in his head making him do crazy shit.
Complicating factor there being that he seemed like the type to do what he did without that being an issue.
Yeah, lore's there but a lot of people from D1 probably only know him as that guy from the core-campaign story that wanted to kill us and was giving off some creepy vibes when it came to his sister. And people that started D2 just know him as the dude that shot Cayde and didn't seem that regretful once we finally caught up to him. Not everyone's willing to read the lore-tabs and get whatever depth for Uldren was stuffed there.
the average Guardian is apparently dumber and less moral than your average Destiny player, since it looks like only a minority of the fanbase has any trouble understanding Crow isn't Uldren Sov (hell, even Sov was corrupted and manipulated, but that's a separate issue) and that murdering him over his face is completely psychotic.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
Yeah so Rev hunters are still strongest class because of how much slow you can toss out. Shurikens are no longer infuriatingly high damage but they're just as annoying otherwise. As a hunter it feels bad to have to expend both melees and a dodge for a freeze, but Bakris + slow is still busted good. It's not as much of a crutch for people, but they definitely didn't toss the class in the bin. I'd say you could make an argument Behemoth titans are on the same level because of the strength of the neutral game, the uppercut being a near instant freeze is very strong.
Still some tuning is better than none, but I don't see myself putting down Stasis for other stuff just yet
True, though I think people hoping Stasis would get thrown to the side so Light classes would shine again will be a little letdown how often they still get slowed (every 20 seconds in IB)
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I still liked Cayde by the end. I still like Cayde now when he shows up in strike voiceovers.
I'm not quite sure which parts of this story we're spoiling...
Uldren getting resurrected as a Guardian was, I thought, another ballsy move since it forces you to face the whole "is a Guardian who they were before they died" question more head-on than Ana Bray ever did, and coming at it from the opposite direction.
I guess it's theoretically an interesting story beat to have some of the cast not come down on the right side of that question but I think making it the nominal paragon of Vanguard virtue is not interesting. Zavala is constantly getting dunked on for being on the wrong side of opinion. This is the one time where him being stiff and strictly adhering to Vanguard code should put him on the side of not judging Crow for Uldren's actions.
Making Amanda kill (or try to kill) Crow would make a lot more sense seeing as she's not a Guardian and wouldn't necessarily understand the difference, but I wouldn't like it.
Related to this, this clip happened with us during one of our Trials games. Initially, I thought he killed himself, but no, two duskfields yanked him with such velocity (and maybe he jumped?) that he died when he hit the wall.
It was hilarious, though.
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Interesting, as someone who didn't play D1 I think Red War was the best campaign experience the game's had. There've been more interesting plot hooks and lore in some of the others, but none told their story as well as the Red War.
Below that you had Behemoth Titans and Top Dawn Warlocks. Both are S Tier if the people piloting them are skilled, but otherwise they couldn’t fully challenge hunters.
Chaos Reach was A Tier, no fancy tricks, so it’s stands out as being good without having to have additional skills beyond the normal good gunplay.
Nothing else really even came close in 3v3. Even warlock stasis isn’t that good, because outside the grenade the tools aren’t as good as Titan and hunters.
I felt little to nothing for Ghaul (especially because we dispatch him a little too easily, he should really have been the boss of the first raid). It makes sense from a story perspective but lacks any sense of mystery. Regaining our light works on playthrough one, but doing it on our secondary characters is a boring chore. Imo the worst dialogue in the game is from this period, I cringe a lot at some of Cayde's jokes in the Arms Dealer strike.
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I think Beyond Light has had the most fleshed-out in-game story of any Destiny expansion, D1 or 2, even if the volume and intensity of the existing cast reactions to events leave something to be desired.
The Stasis nerfs this patch look pretty decent, might not "be enough" but duskfield grenades are substantially weaker, Titan super is moderately weaker, and Hunter neutral game is significantly weaker.
Warlocks now get Truth-level homing stasis super bolts but I don't think that matters much except for letting their super duel other highly mobile supers. Not like Stasis warlock was dominating PvP.
It took us weeks to convince one of our raidmates to not hate Crow for the sins of Uldren. I think you underestimate the average Destiny player.
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Sure, if you've read hundreds of lore pages and can talk about the implications of sword logic and paracausality and have your own theory about whether Rasputin attacked the Traveller Cayde-6 was probably annoying and messed up the pacing of the game, but that character wasn't for that type of player.
The dialogue and story Cayde had in the epilogue / Ace of Spades mission was great, but I don't know how many players actually went through it.
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I won us a round this weekend by schooling a Behemoth Titan with my Behemoth Titan. He who pops super first, loses. He came at us and I broke his freeze, then froze him and one-punched him to death.
Complicating factor there being that he seemed like the type to do what he did without that being an issue.
The lore from Forsaken on pre-Black-Garden Uldren is really interesting. You get a much better idea of the kind of person he used to be and why the Awoken loved him.
Like all of the writing from Y1 it's dumbed down and overly broad and misses the mark so bad. I always hated Cayde's stuff in Y1 because they just constantly dunk on him like he's an idiot most of the time and then you rewatch stuff from D1 and remember what it was like when he was better characterized. I think Failsafe is like the epitome of this whole style as it's a fun idea that gets tiresome because it's just trying too damn hard all the time.
Though honestly I think Red War has the bones of a decent enough story but they just do none of the work to make the characters or moments pop most of the time. Like, actually give each of the Vanguard a character arc. And maybe do something with Hawthorne.
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Forsaken
Taken King
Good For Destiny Tier:
Warmind
House of Wolves
Okay Tier:
Shadowkeep
The Pretty Bad Tier:
D1 Vanilla
D2 Vanilla
Holy god this is so bad Tier:
Curse Of Osiris
I Can't Remember Tier:
The Dark Below
How you don't put forsaken at the top is beyond me, it had really fun missions, a good bad guy and the spider. And most importantly it didn't have endless missions of walking between rooms fighting three thralls in each room.
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Yeah, lore's there but a lot of people from D1 probably only know him as that guy from the core-campaign story that wanted to kill us and was giving off some creepy vibes when it came to his sister. And people that started D2 just know him as the dude that shot Cayde and didn't seem that regretful once we finally caught up to him. Not everyone's willing to read the lore-tabs and get whatever depth for Uldren was stuffed there.
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This is gunna suck.
Still some tuning is better than none, but I don't see myself putting down Stasis for other stuff just yet
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Mid-tree void warlock got it's super fucking destroyed.
And then, while it was crawling away bleeding, just trying to survive, they came back to finish the job by killing it's grenade ability.
I don't understand why people were upset about Luke Smith hypothetically floating the idea of getting rid of it. What's even left to save?
So, uh, apparently you only get one random roll a week, huh?
Well, fuck me I guess. Fuck me and my Moving Target Dead Man's Tale.
Or something.
Basically it’s not like they’d stop there. Keep taking away stuff we paid for
Thank you, Eververse deal-of-the-day. Now I got an excuse to run around with this on my back for a while.
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