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Today I learned that space isn't as cold as I thought it was.
Temperature doesn't mean quite the same thing in space that it does when there is some kind of a conducting medium.
Yeah, I get that now. I knew that the transfer of heat required a conducive medium, and I guess I knew that space does have any kind of medium. I just never put two and two together before.
This was a big shock in Battletech when they got it right. Cool I'm on a lunar surface free heat efficiency!
No, you get terrible heat efficiency.
Oh yeah, that was a shock to my system at first
"wait you mean what now?"
I liked how the game even had the "Wait isn't space cold" conversation option
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
I assume repulsor tech helps with that, same with the Star Destroyer keeping station over Jedha.
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The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
It's really more a question of whether or not you ever hit a point in the atmosphere where you aren't able to go fast enough to get enough lift from the air AND you are still too close to the planet to point straight up.
Hmm
I THINK (without having done the math) that if you have a non-airbreathing engine that, for simplicity's sake, has equal power at sea level and in a vacuum, and fuel isn't really a thing you're concerned about, then if you are not too heavy to fly then you can reach orbit. I THINK.
700MPH in (heavy) atmosphere means that you can fly to somewhere with less heavy atmosphere and then you go faster.
The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
Any amount of thrust over 1g is so long as you can apply it long enough. Aircraft cannot “get to space” because they lose thrust in high altitudes. Operational max altitudes are more about the ability to shove air into their engines at level flight than it is Anything else
Rockets need to go very fast to “enter space” because they’re trying to get fast enough to achieve orbit. (Plus other constraints) Orbit is probably best described as the transverse speed at which you no longer move closer to the ground despite accelerating towards it. And they need boosters not because you “need a boost” but because different atmosphere density produces a difference in optimal rocket performance that it makes sense to use more than one rocket type.
If you pointed a rocket straight up it would go much further away from the earth than current rockets do but it would (might?) eventually come back and hit the ground.
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The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
I assume repulsor tech helps with that, same with the Star Destroyer keeping station over Jedha.
Yeah, if you've got genuine antigrav technology, launching into space becomes incredibly easy and quick. An X-wing an Earth would "launch" at 1G if you only set the antigrav to the opposite of its mass. With an inertial damper, ships in Star Wars could fairly well fling themselves out into space quite far just by cranking up the anti-gravity.
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The other thing about an X-Wings speed is they can break orbit from ground level without any kind of boosters. I don't know enough to know if 700 or so MPH is fast enough to do that.
Any amount of thrust over 1g is so long as you can apply it long enough. Aircraft cannot “get to space” because they lose thrust in high altitudes. Operational max altitudes are more about the ability to shove air into their engines at level flight than it is Anything else
Rockets need to go very fast to “enter space” because they’re trying to get fast enough to achieve orbit. (Plus other constraints) Orbit is probably best described as the transverse speed at which you no longer move closer to the ground despite accelerating towards it. And they need boosters not because you “need a boost” but because different atmosphere density produces a difference in optimal rocket performance that it makes sense to use more than one rocket type.
If you pointed a rocket straight up it would go much further away from the earth than current rockets do but it would (might?) eventually come back and hit the ground.
*pushes glasses up nose*
Well act-shually...
Just a slight nuance to what you said: there is the concept of an "escape velocity", which is the speed at which the sum of your gravitational potential energy and your kinetic energy equals zero (or your kinetic energy begins to exceed your gravitational potential energy). If you hit escape velocity going straight up, you'll never return to Earth.
But that's going into a level of detail that is utterly irrelevant for a Star Wars thread.
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So reached the siege of mandalore arc and
I feel like this has to be me being petty and seeing what I want to see, but something that stands out is that, there are nods to every piece of new star wars media (Prequels obvi, Solo, Dryden Vos shows up, Rogue One, Saw is mentioned, Rebels, Kanan and Fulcrum, OT, and the TLJ, Anakin on the bridge standing exactly as Luke did facing down the walkers) with the exception of TFA. It was probably to far in production to through TROS stuff, but the the absence of a call out or anything is glaring. Again, probably just reading too much into it.
Probably hard to make call outs to TFA when TFA itself was one long call out to the OT
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When Maul is pulling secrets from a clones mind.
Goddamn the final clone wars arc is so good. Shattered may be the best 30 minutes of star wars ever?
Hence the “(might?)”. Most rockets aren’t able to reach escape velocity. Which is like 40k km/h. As reference the ISS or its at about 30k km/h
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A quote from my Little in discussing the Prequel Trilogy: "I think Hayden Christensen's acting was on point. I really felt his anger and why he turned to the Dark Side."
A quote from my Little in discussing the Prequel Trilogy: "I think Hayden Christensen's acting was on point. I really felt his anger and why he turned to the Dark Side."
...have you folk been concurrently watching Clone Wars?
Because without that, Anakin turning Dark Side made him look like a little shit.
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A quote from my Little in discussing the Prequel Trilogy: "I think Hayden Christensen's acting was on point. I really felt his anger and why he turned to the Dark Side."
...have you folk been concurrently watching Clone Wars?
Because without that, Anakin turning Dark Side made him look like a little shit.
Agreed. Revenge of the Sith had the most hamfisted fall from grace, ever put to screen. It was only in Clone Wars and some of the related media that we could start to understand the conflict going on inside of Anakin. It took Dave Filoni to figure out how to make the character anything but a whiny petulant child. And I don't think Anakin's character would have worked nearly as well without Ahsoka. Anakin and Obi Wan just don't work well together. Especially on screen I never got the impression that they even liked each other, much less regarded each other as brothers.
I'm so fucking thrilled that Filoni gets to turn EU fanfics into actual hard canon. His material has been far and ahead better than 75% of the Star Wars material that we've seen in cinemas. It's feels like of weird that the live action movies and shows are pulling so heavily from the EU now. For so long Star Wars had 2 separate walled gardens. Now there is a doorway between the 2, albeit with a guard. It's making me excited for Star Wars again. So much so that I recently finished a rewatch of Clone Wars and finally go around to finishing Rebels.
I am shocked that a 80 hour series developed over 12 years tells a fuller story than a 90 minute film. Shocked.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
I am shocked that a 80 hour series developed over 12 years tells a fuller story than a 90 minute film. Shocked.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
Not really, since that "movie" was just the first two episodes stitched together and released in theaters at Lucas' insistence.
How many opening episodes of a television show would hold up as a stand-alone film?
I am shocked that a 80 hour series developed over 12 years tells a fuller story than a 90 minute film. Shocked.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
Not really, since that "movie" was just the first two episodes stitched together and released in theaters at Lucas' insistence.
How many opening episodes of a television show would hold up as a stand-alone film?
Gargoyles?
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I am shocked that a 80 hour series developed over 12 years tells a fuller story than a 90 minute film. Shocked.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
First, it was 3 movies, not just 1. Second, it's less that they didn't have the time to develop the character is more that Lucas decided that he'd rather spend half of the movies with 2 characters sitting, standing or walking and talking about politics instead of developing his characters. Frodo and Sam get more character development in 1 movie than Anakin got in all 3 of his movies. You don't need 12 years and 300 episodes to develop a character. It can be done in a couple of hours. It just takes someone who knows how to develop characters. Lucas was great at introducing us to new and interesting characters but TERRIBLE at developing them beyond vague archetypes.
For me, Anakin is reasons 1-3 why the PT are bad. Anakin was never a hero tragically brought down my live; he was a fascist proto-incel who inevitably sides with evil when the chips are down. Note that I'm only talking about the last two movies here. Child Anakin is basically an innocent and also ironically acted more adult than he did as an adult.
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For me, Anakin is reasons 1-3 why the PT are bad. Anakin was never a hero tragically brought down my live; he was a fascist proto-incel who inevitably sides with evil when the chips are down. Note that I'm only talking about the last two movies here. Child Anakin is basically an innocent and also ironically acted more adult than he did as an adult.
Kid Anakin is a bewildering choice because of how much incongruence it introduces to its own narrative.
- it makes the idea that he's too old to start training seem trivial since he's only a couple years older then other younglings.
- it makes everything with Padme feel creepy down the line and societal norms being what they are would scream creepy if their genders were reversed.
- it makes the entire starfighter sequence and to a lesser extent the podracing scene feel silly
Make Anakin and give him Lucas' version of adult dialogue and you borderline make TPM the best movie of that trilogy and you haven't even rewritten much.
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For me, Anakin is reasons 1-3 why the PT are bad. Anakin was never a hero tragically brought down my live; he was a fascist proto-incel who inevitably sides with evil when the chips are down. Note that I'm only talking about the last two movies here. Child Anakin is basically an innocent and also ironically acted more adult than he did as an adult.
And that's the reason I liked Kylo Ren so much. He's was intentionally written as a whiny fanboy bitch.
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It stinks that the movies don't handle it well by themselves, but in order to truly see Anakin as the War hero brought down by his emotions and the dark side, the Clone Wars series is necessary viewing.
Yeah making Anakin a child is the single biggest mistake the prequels made.
If you make him a teenager, angry at being a slave, his mother's treatment, only to be reached by a beautiful young woman then a lot of the stuff he does becomes a lot better storytelling.
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A quote from my Little in discussing the Prequel Trilogy: "I think Hayden Christensen's acting was on point. I really felt his anger and why he turned to the Dark Side."
...have you folk been concurrently watching Clone Wars?
Because without that, Anakin turning Dark Side made him look like a little shit.
Nope. He's never seen any of the animated series. Literally just the main line films. Not even Solo or Rogue One.
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The prequels basically needed to start where Attack of the Clones did Anakin wise.
He should've been teenaged, already a Jedi under Obi-Wan and then on the mission to Naboo.
Because then we've got some conflict for Obi-Wan with the Jedi order (that he specifically ensured Anakin was trained), and we can discover the slave past when they get forced to escape to Tattoine which fills in the backstory there. It also provides a much better hook for why he gets involved with Padme because she can force herself onto the mission into the city and then help Anakin go off on the mission to find his mother, which is something she would totally do and adds the tension point about connection.
Which I think then adds a decent point where you set it up that he wants to rescue her, finds out Obi-Wan didn't when he was rescued, but ultimately the Naboo mission puts that on hold because he realises the greater good requires him to leave.
All of which lets us basically run the rest of his story as it already is in AotC, but it makes a lot more sense why Anakin starts to come apart - because the Jedi did betray him, his mission means he leaves his mother just long enough for her to die, and we can just jump to secret marriage by the second movie and close that out with the Padme's pregnancy as the attachment that isn't torn away from him being threatened.
I am shocked that a 80 hour series developed over 12 years tells a fuller story than a 90 minute film. Shocked.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
Not really, since that "movie" was just the first two episodes stitched together and released in theaters at Lucas' insistence.
How many opening episodes of a television show would hold up as a stand-alone film?
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I need to get this off my chest regarding Thrawn in Rebels.
I think they made Thrawn and Price a little too evil in Rebels. I refuse to accept that Thrawn would let himself get beat by a kid and his space wales. I know they said Thrawn didn't die but still. He deserved a better defeat. And Price was turned into a caricature of herself. It was almost comical how BAD she was at her job. This is the same woman that outsmarted and outplayed some of the greatest minds on Lothal to seize control of both her father's mining company and eventually the whole planet.
She was getting outplayed by fucking children in Rebels. I refuse to believe that she would allow herself to be captured and turned into a pawn like that.
That said, I loved Rebels. It was a great show, even when it got goofy.
I need to get this off my chest regarding Thrawn in Rebels.
I think they made Thrawn and Price a little too evil in Rebels. I refuse to accept that Thrawn would let himself get beat by a kid and his space wales. I know they said Thrawn didn't die but still. He deserved a better defeat. And Price was turned into a caricature of herself. It was almost comical how BAD she was at her job. This is the same woman that outsmarted and outplayed some of the greatest minds on Lothal to seize control of both her father's mining company and eventually the whole planet.
She was getting outplayed by fucking children in Rebels. I refuse to believe that she would allow herself to be captured and turned into a pawn like that.
That said, I loved Rebels. It was a great show, even when it got goofy.
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liked the space whales. If you look at the show from another angle, Thrawn had them outplayed the whole time. The Rebels set up this complicated fake and double fake to capture Price. They succeed. They get into the command center. And Thrawn has it all figured out and is waiting for them (because he's smart enough to look at the initial setup and say "oh yeah that's a Trap". The only thing that beats Thrawn is literally the ability to connect to the energy and life of the Universe. The only person who can beat Thrawn is a full fledged Jedi.
I need to get this off my chest regarding Thrawn in Rebels.
I think they made Thrawn and Price a little too evil in Rebels. I refuse to accept that Thrawn would let himself get beat by a kid and his space wales. I know they said Thrawn didn't die but still. He deserved a better defeat. And Price was turned into a caricature of herself. It was almost comical how BAD she was at her job. This is the same woman that outsmarted and outplayed some of the greatest minds on Lothal to seize control of both her father's mining company and eventually the whole planet.
She was getting outplayed by fucking children in Rebels. I refuse to believe that she would allow herself to be captured and turned into a pawn like that.
That said, I loved Rebels. It was a great show, even when it got goofy.
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liked the space whales. If you look at the show from another angle, Thrawn had them outplayed the whole time. The Rebels set up this complicated fake and double fake to capture Price. They succeed. They get into the command center. And Thrawn has it all figured out and is waiting for them (because he's smart enough to look at the initial setup and say "oh yeah that's a Trap". The only thing that beats Thrawn is literally the ability to connect to the energy and life of the Universe. The only person who can beat Thrawn is a full fledged Jedi.
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Oh yeah, that was a shock to my system at first
"wait you mean what now?"
I liked how the game even had the "Wait isn't space cold" conversation option
I assume repulsor tech helps with that, same with the Star Destroyer keeping station over Jedha.
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It's really more a question of whether or not you ever hit a point in the atmosphere where you aren't able to go fast enough to get enough lift from the air AND you are still too close to the planet to point straight up.
Hmm
I THINK (without having done the math) that if you have a non-airbreathing engine that, for simplicity's sake, has equal power at sea level and in a vacuum, and fuel isn't really a thing you're concerned about, then if you are not too heavy to fly then you can reach orbit. I THINK.
700MPH in (heavy) atmosphere means that you can fly to somewhere with less heavy atmosphere and then you go faster.
Well, yes
The galaxy Star Wars takes place in is filled with a fluid exactly the density of air for their sick WWII stunts
Any amount of thrust over 1g is so long as you can apply it long enough. Aircraft cannot “get to space” because they lose thrust in high altitudes. Operational max altitudes are more about the ability to shove air into their engines at level flight than it is Anything else
Rockets need to go very fast to “enter space” because they’re trying to get fast enough to achieve orbit. (Plus other constraints) Orbit is probably best described as the transverse speed at which you no longer move closer to the ground despite accelerating towards it. And they need boosters not because you “need a boost” but because different atmosphere density produces a difference in optimal rocket performance that it makes sense to use more than one rocket type.
If you pointed a rocket straight up it would go much further away from the earth than current rockets do but it would (might?) eventually come back and hit the ground.
Yeah, if you've got genuine antigrav technology, launching into space becomes incredibly easy and quick. An X-wing an Earth would "launch" at 1G if you only set the antigrav to the opposite of its mass. With an inertial damper, ships in Star Wars could fairly well fling themselves out into space quite far just by cranking up the anti-gravity.
*pushes glasses up nose*
Well act-shually...
Just a slight nuance to what you said: there is the concept of an "escape velocity", which is the speed at which the sum of your gravitational potential energy and your kinetic energy equals zero (or your kinetic energy begins to exceed your gravitational potential energy). If you hit escape velocity going straight up, you'll never return to Earth.
But that's going into a level of detail that is utterly irrelevant for a Star Wars thread.
Ooh I found it!
When Maul is pulling secrets from a clones mind.
Goddamn the final clone wars arc is so good. Shattered may be the best 30 minutes of star wars ever?
...have you folk been concurrently watching Clone Wars?
Because without that, Anakin turning Dark Side made him look like a little shit.
Agreed. Revenge of the Sith had the most hamfisted fall from grace, ever put to screen. It was only in Clone Wars and some of the related media that we could start to understand the conflict going on inside of Anakin. It took Dave Filoni to figure out how to make the character anything but a whiny petulant child. And I don't think Anakin's character would have worked nearly as well without Ahsoka. Anakin and Obi Wan just don't work well together. Especially on screen I never got the impression that they even liked each other, much less regarded each other as brothers.
I'm so fucking thrilled that Filoni gets to turn EU fanfics into actual hard canon. His material has been far and ahead better than 75% of the Star Wars material that we've seen in cinemas. It's feels like of weird that the live action movies and shows are pulling so heavily from the EU now. For so long Star Wars had 2 separate walled gardens. Now there is a doorway between the 2, albeit with a guard. It's making me excited for Star Wars again. So much so that I recently finished a rewatch of Clone Wars and finally go around to finishing Rebels.
A more direct comparsion is the clone wars movie (directed by one Dave Filoni) which has a rotten tomates rating of 18%, lower than both Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skwalker.
Not really, since that "movie" was just the first two episodes stitched together and released in theaters at Lucas' insistence.
How many opening episodes of a television show would hold up as a stand-alone film?
Gargoyles?
First, it was 3 movies, not just 1. Second, it's less that they didn't have the time to develop the character is more that Lucas decided that he'd rather spend half of the movies with 2 characters sitting, standing or walking and talking about politics instead of developing his characters. Frodo and Sam get more character development in 1 movie than Anakin got in all 3 of his movies. You don't need 12 years and 300 episodes to develop a character. It can be done in a couple of hours. It just takes someone who knows how to develop characters. Lucas was great at introducing us to new and interesting characters but TERRIBLE at developing them beyond vague archetypes.
Kid Anakin is a bewildering choice because of how much incongruence it introduces to its own narrative.
- it makes the idea that he's too old to start training seem trivial since he's only a couple years older then other younglings.
- it makes everything with Padme feel creepy down the line and societal norms being what they are would scream creepy if their genders were reversed.
- it makes the entire starfighter sequence and to a lesser extent the podracing scene feel silly
Make Anakin and give him Lucas' version of adult dialogue and you borderline make TPM the best movie of that trilogy and you haven't even rewritten much.
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And that's the reason I liked Kylo Ren so much. He's was intentionally written as a whiny fanboy bitch.
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If you make him a teenager, angry at being a slave, his mother's treatment, only to be reached by a beautiful young woman then a lot of the stuff he does becomes a lot better storytelling.
Nope. He's never seen any of the animated series. Literally just the main line films. Not even Solo or Rogue One.
Your little one can like whatever they want to like! Don't let 'em bow down to the pressure of a bunch of internet Star Wars dorks like us. :biggrin:
Oh so he's an apple, I get it now.
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He should've been teenaged, already a Jedi under Obi-Wan and then on the mission to Naboo.
Because then we've got some conflict for Obi-Wan with the Jedi order (that he specifically ensured Anakin was trained), and we can discover the slave past when they get forced to escape to Tattoine which fills in the backstory there. It also provides a much better hook for why he gets involved with Padme because she can force herself onto the mission into the city and then help Anakin go off on the mission to find his mother, which is something she would totally do and adds the tension point about connection.
Which I think then adds a decent point where you set it up that he wants to rescue her, finds out Obi-Wan didn't when he was rescued, but ultimately the Naboo mission puts that on hold because he realises the greater good requires him to leave.
All of which lets us basically run the rest of his story as it already is in AotC, but it makes a lot more sense why Anakin starts to come apart - because the Jedi did betray him, his mission means he leaves his mother just long enough for her to die, and we can just jump to secret marriage by the second movie and close that out with the Padme's pregnancy as the attachment that isn't torn away from him being threatened.
That was five episodes, tbf.
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She was getting outplayed by fucking children in Rebels. I refuse to believe that she would allow herself to be captured and turned into a pawn like that.
That said, I loved Rebels. It was a great show, even when it got goofy.
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