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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Hear me out

    3:10 to Yuma but a bounty hunter delivering someone to the Hutts

    Co-starring baby Watto.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited January 6
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Well, hopefully the showrunner(s?) realize the appeal of Mandalorian was that it wasn't about galaxy spanning warfare, but about smaller scale plots. (At least until S2 anyway...)
    The biggest S2 got to was a handful of Mandos taking on a Moff in a tiny version of a Star Destroyer; the "big" part of the Moff's plan was already 100% accomplished and all that was left was for Din to get the kid. So for Din and company, the stakes were entirely personal; they couldn't care less about the galaxy at large.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited January 6
    S2 Mandalorian wasn't even as "small-big stakes" as the original Dark Forces game.

    Hell in terms of body count it doesn't even match the ending of Season 1 of Rebels.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    The absolute worst thing that star wars could do is announce a media blitz centered around the mando. We already have 3,4,maybe 5 shows gonna be set in that area, and a huge media push. Give me that high republic, I want to hang out in as of yet unexplored space that takes place far away from most of the things that I am used to. I know the old republic, I know the clone wars I know the empire, I don't particularly want to know the sequel era (tros and tfa burned me bad) so give me this new era and let me work on my rpg campaign there.

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    My dream show would be a smuggling crew working in Hutt space to move spice that is secretly freeing Hutt slaves. Firefly version of the underground railroad. No ties to any comic book or legends books, completely unfettered from expectations. The stakes are small scale, but so big at the same time. 1 Force user on the ship, maybe his apprentice, too, so we can finally see the Jedi doing something about the horror show that is Hutt slavery, instead of just stealing 1 slave and fucking off forever. Then the next sequel movie can be about a full on war with the Hutts and their client species over slavery and our crew can show up and be part of a larger story.

    I mean, if Covid is going to keep me from running my tabletop campaign, the least Disney could do is have F&F film it for me.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    edited January 6
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I was able to watch S7 of The Clone Wars. Enjoyable enough until the title card turned red, then things got really really good. Like 'holy crap these scenes and shots' good. The only complaint I have is that there was a heap of motion blur or something on the saber blades, so they really looked like they were bending a lot of the time.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

    No, because they have enough wealth and power that they're, collectively, rulers of their own sovereign state. You don't "arrest" someone like that, you go to war with them. And the Republic seems disinclined to do that, especially over something as "unimportant" (to those in power) as slavery.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    My dream show would be a smuggling crew working in Hutt space to move spice that is secretly freeing Hutt slaves. Firefly version of the underground railroad. No ties to any comic book or legends books, completely unfettered from expectations. The stakes are small scale, but so big at the same time. 1 Force user on the ship, maybe his apprentice, too, so we can finally see the Jedi doing something about the horror show that is Hutt slavery, instead of just stealing 1 slave and fucking off forever. Then the next sequel movie can be about a full on war with the Hutts and their client species over slavery and our crew can show up and be part of a larger story.

    I mean, if Covid is going to keep me from running my tabletop campaign, the least Disney could do is have F&F film it for me.

    You are describing edge of the empire.

    Just have @Commander Zoom run you a edge of empire game.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

    What I hear you saying is that your dream show casts the hero as Elliott Ness and you want an 8 episode arc where he rolls up the Hutts on RICO charges and tax evasion. You have a deal, we will see you for the crossover event.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    My dream show would be a smuggling crew working in Hutt space to move spice that is secretly freeing Hutt slaves. Firefly version of the underground railroad. No ties to any comic book or legends books, completely unfettered from expectations. The stakes are small scale, but so big at the same time. 1 Force user on the ship, maybe his apprentice, too, so we can finally see the Jedi doing something about the horror show that is Hutt slavery, instead of just stealing 1 slave and fucking off forever. Then the next sequel movie can be about a full on war with the Hutts and their client species over slavery and our crew can show up and be part of a larger story.

    I mean, if Covid is going to keep me from running my tabletop campaign, the least Disney could do is have F&F film it for me.

    You are describing edge of the empire.

    Just have "Commander Zoom" run you a edge of empire game.

    No thanks, I will continue to run it myself until Disney buys me out for the show rights.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    200 years previous to the PT would be plenty for me... if it wasn't Star Wars

    My issue is that stagnation is a thing with the Star Wars universe.

    Like a giant neon sign that spells out stagnation with letters made out of blackjack, hookers, and blow.

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    200 years previous to the PT would be plenty for me... if it wasn't Star Wars

    My issue is that stagnation is a thing with the Star Wars universe.

    Like a giant neon sign that spells out stagnation with letters made out of blackjack, hookers, and blow.

    There's a galaxy worth of planets and we can't figure out how to peel away from the same ten or so.

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    I was able to watch S7 of The Clone Wars. Enjoyable enough until the title card turned red, then things got really really good. Like 'holy crap these scenes and shots' good. The only complaint I have is that there was a heap of motion blur or something on the saber blades, so they really looked like they were bending a lot of the time.

    If I remember correctly, they put darkening filters on the lightsabers to reduce the chance of photosensitivity issues.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Man, I see a lot of people believing the propaganda about Hutts (and every other species).

    #NotAllHutts

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    I was able to watch S7 of The Clone Wars. Enjoyable enough until the title card turned red, then things got really really good. Like 'holy crap these scenes and shots' good. The only complaint I have is that there was a heap of motion blur or something on the saber blades, so they really looked like they were bending a lot of the time.

    If I remember correctly, they put darkening filters on the lightsabers to reduce the chance of photosensitivity issues.

    Wasn't the color, it was that the blades blurred when swinging, so they really looked all rubbery and bendy. Maybe that's a side effect of the filters, I dunno. I didn't really notice that the blades were much different from previous seasons.

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    edited January 6
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda civilised.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.

    My personal theory is that there's nothing particularly special about lightsabers that would make it so that only Force users could create or use them, it's just that actually trying to use one without crazy reflexes or Force-driven precognition would inevitably result in killing yourself with it.

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    jothki wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.

    My personal theory is that there's nothing particularly special about lightsabers that would make it so that only Force users could create or use them, it's just that actually trying to use one without crazy reflexes or Force-driven precognition would inevitably result in killing yourself with it.

    This was always my take. Like you can believe that they were once issued to regular soldiers and then had to be recalled because of friendly fire and a dramatic increase in cybernetic limb demand.

  • KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    For all the crap Die Hard 2 gets, it got one thing very right. One crisis gets you one platoon. High Republic should not be armies of Jedi running around. It should be a knight and their padawan running around putting out brush fires left and right. And you can have different Jedi for every fire.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.

    My personal theory is that there's nothing particularly special about lightsabers that would make it so that only Force users could create or use them, it's just that actually trying to use one without crazy reflexes or Force-driven precognition would inevitably result in killing yourself with it.

    Kanan teaches Sabine how to fight with one.

    She didn't kill herself with it.

  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.

    My personal theory is that there's nothing particularly special about lightsabers that would make it so that only Force users could create or use them, it's just that actually trying to use one without crazy reflexes or Force-driven precognition would inevitably result in killing yourself with it.

    Kanan teaches Sabine how to fight with one.

    She didn't kill herself with it.

    Give her time.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Sabine is learning to use the ceremonial symbol of her government. They aren't passing out lessons to every Mando because it's a highly impractical weapon and it's most useful features are not available to a muggle. Without the pageantry associated with that particular lightsaber, it's nearly useless to her compared to her other gear. Why play with something that dangerous if it's instructions are all written in red/green colorblind code you can't even see, in a language you don't speak?

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    The more you watch the PT and it's other stuff, the more disturbing lightsaber combat becomes. That shit is just limbs flying everywhere. It's kinda fucked up.

    My personal theory is that there's nothing particularly special about lightsabers that would make it so that only Force users could create or use them, it's just that actually trying to use one without crazy reflexes or Force-driven precognition would inevitably result in killing yourself with it.

    Kanan teaches Sabine how to fight with one.

    She didn't kill herself with it.

    Sabine was also a Mandalorian, a race known for their strong martial traditions, and an accomplished fighter, pilot and rebel operative who spends half the Rebels series dodging blaster bolts with just her own reflexes and whatever extra sensor systems the Mando armor gives her. I'm guessing she manages to fit under the "crazy reflexes" category.

    Give it to an average non-force wielding moisture farmer from Tatooine, and watch how fast they manage to delimb themselves with it if they try to fight with the thing.

    To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed Moff G didn't lop his own arm or leg off trying to fight with it. Not something life threatening (well, not life threatening in Star Wars, where limbs fall like rain), but something to make his Vader cosplay just a little more authentic.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    We have seen non-force wielders use sabers. Sabine was brought up but before her it was used by the former head of Deathwatch before Maul took it from him.

    Non-force users can use them. But force users can use them in a way that non-force users can't due to limited prescience so they can block blaster shots and just in general out duel a non-force attuned person. That at least was the old explanation.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Despite people not wanting the sequel trilogy to exist, we also had Finn fighting a couple of times with one. His limbs didn’t fall off after he ignited it.

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  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

    No, because they have enough wealth and power that they're, collectively, rulers of their own sovereign state. You don't "arrest" someone like that, you go to war with them. And the Republic seems disinclined to do that, especially over something as "unimportant" (to those in power) as slavery.

    I might be wrong, but I feel like Hutts/space gangsters are so small fry relative to the scale and power of the Empire and the Republic that no one cares what they do.

    Like, do the Hutts have space flight? A capital city? Have they ever declared war with anyone outside of themselves? Have they ever taken a stance on the fall of the Republic or the rise of the Rebellion?

    I feel like they’re seriously underused but also provincial to the point of being irrelevant.

  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    I'm down with the interpretation that anyone can use a light saber but they're normally useless in battle unless you're force sensitive. They're incredibly deadly up close but unless you can deflect that blaster fire a lightsaber won't do much good in most fights.

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  • CristovalCristoval Registered User regular
    Finn was also probably trained in combat with those riot stick things so using a lightsaber as a weapon isn't out of the question.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

    No, because they have enough wealth and power that they're, collectively, rulers of their own sovereign state. You don't "arrest" someone like that, you go to war with them. And the Republic seems disinclined to do that, especially over something as "unimportant" (to those in power) as slavery.

    I might be wrong, but I feel like Hutts/space gangsters are so small fry relative to the scale and power of the Empire and the Republic that no one cares what they do.

    Like, do the Hutts have space flight? A capital city? Have they ever declared war with anyone outside of themselves? Have they ever taken a stance on the fall of the Republic or the rise of the Rebellion?

    I feel like they’re seriously underused but also provincial to the point of being irrelevant.

    Yes.
    Hutta and Nar Shadaa, the latter being a moon of the former, which they swindled the natives out of and then enslaved (ala Manhattan Island), apparently after wrecking their original homeworld.
    In some of the old/beta canon, yes and yes. Mostly, however, they prefer to remain "officially" neutral and sell to everyone - it's more profitable that way (see also Canto Bight).

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    The Hutts are essentially the Star Wars drug cartel.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited January 7
    Donnicton wrote: »
    Given Hutts are intended to be the catch-all species for sleazy mob boss types, can't we just like... imprison all the Hutts, or something

    I feel like that would solve a lot of problems

    No, because they have enough wealth and power that they're, collectively, rulers of their own sovereign state. You don't "arrest" someone like that, you go to war with them. And the Republic seems disinclined to do that, especially over something as "unimportant" (to those in power) as slavery.

    I might be wrong, but I feel like Hutts/space gangsters are so small fry relative to the scale and power of the Empire and the Republic that no one cares what they do.

    Like, do the Hutts have space flight? A capital city? Have they ever declared war with anyone outside of themselves? Have they ever taken a stance on the fall of the Republic or the rise of the Rebellion?

    I feel like they’re seriously underused but also provincial to the point of being irrelevant.

    The Hutts have their entire own planet, plus a huge crime city-moon and an entire (small) region of the galaxy. They also definitely have a fleet, though it's probably mercs.

    Hutts are long-lived power-hungry types by the nature of their race, but they're also dang smart. Any given Hutt isn't an outright criminal, but a powerful Hutt will almost certainly have criminal ties. And honestly, it isn't really any different from a bigtime politician, particularly in the Star Wars setting. The Hutts are just, on average, far more comfortable with crime and are totally happy to take the extra money coming from the extra risk. They're power brokers, they don't fight wars. They pay people to fight wars for them.

    Plus, Hutt space is kinda way out there and the capital world is a swampy shithole, so there's not any material reason to attack them. Better off just letting them run the underworld and then charging them a fee for the privilege, which is basically what the Empire does.

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  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

    And this people is why I want blaster aficionado Jedi Kyle Katarn in the Mandalorian. Specifically the Mandalorian - I need an entire episode of him and Din doing trick shots.

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

    Somehow, "actually our protagonists are stupid and the biggest distinctive aesthetic thing from our series is actually dead weight that holds people back compared to GUNS" does not terribly appeal for a narrative direction. Wonder why.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

    Somehow, "actually our protagonists are stupid and the biggest distinctive aesthetic thing from our series is actually dead weight that holds people back compared to GUNS" does not terribly appeal for a narrative direction. Wonder why.

    That would've been a very different The Last SamuraiJedi

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited January 7
    You guys've reminded me of that complete edit the first Harry Potter film where all wands are replaced with guns.

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    edited January 7
    Drascin wrote: »
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

    Somehow, "actually our protagonists are stupid and the biggest distinctive aesthetic thing from our series is actually dead weight that holds people back compared to GUNS" does not terribly appeal for a narrative direction. Wonder why.

    No, I think it's quite the opposite actually, if I make a movie about a preternatural ninja-assassin in the modern day who fights with a katana I'm quite certain people will find that rad as fuck despite being in complete agreement that guns are far better than katana as weapons.

    See most any superhero for an example. It turns out it's a very appealing narrative direction for Batman to use batarangs and his fists instead of guns or Hawkeye to use a bow or Captain America to use a shield, etc. etc.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Alternatively, rather than lightsabers being the pinnacle of weaponry that most people can't handle, Han Solo was right and a lightsaber is really a pretty terrible weapon, a Jedi making impossible precognitive blaster shots would be a ridiculous terror, and it's fine that an ancient monastic order fights with a ritual weapon while everyone else ignores it.

    Certain point of viewing it, both Han and Kenobi are correct about the weapon. If you aren't packing precognition, telekinesis, super jumping, and whatever else is in the basic Jedi toolbox, then a lightsaber is a pretty crappy weapon. Useful if you need a way through a door or into a bank vault, but not great otherwise. All those Jedi tricks though pretty much make up for the shortcomings of the weapon. Precog lets you use it for ranged defense/offense, TK gives you ranged attack, and the mobility means that footslogging into melee range isn't quite the death sentence you'd think it'd be.

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