On the other hand, Nvidia just announced that DLSS is available for use with Proton so I'm feeling more and more like AMD is not the linux-friendly company at all, and if shit doesn't turn around fast I'm probably gonna dive back in and try to get a 3080 this summer.
Nvidia has been waiting 18 months after DLSS went live to do this coincidentally on the same day as AMD announce FSR, while AMD's FSR isn't available for Windows users yet.
I don't think this proves Nvidia is "the linux-friendly" company at all
Most of AMD stuff is in the open source driver. This means getting a distribution with an up to date-ish kernel and you are good to go.
Nvidia: Want to stay current or experimental and shit is fixed in a minor revision of the kernel you could install yourself - better check if the Nvidia driver still works with it. Secondly, nvidia clings to X11 with their binary driver which seriously hurts development of alternatives.
Edit: With the binary driver HW video acceleration is broken because nvidia insists to use their own framework for this, which - last time I checked amounts to a crutch translating the calls from nvidias framwork (which no playback application / browser directly supports) back and forth to an old version of ffmpeg related libs which broke sometime in 2019 and still haven't been fixed. Want to use HW acceleration for steam streaming or video playback, and while still having the ability to play games in Linux - sucks to be you.
I always hear a lot about this but when I was on my GTX 960 I never ran into it.
I was playing WoW Classic and watching Amazon Prime PIP simultaneously just fine.
Like, all I ever had to do to get that video card working was select the driver in Ubuntu's driver manager. That's it.
I'm not saying I like Nvidia or their proprietary bullshit but when you're presented with someone who goes, "I like linux, can I game on linux?" the overwhelming response is that you gotta go AMD or you're fucking up and that's just plainly wrong.
This, I agree.
Regarding video playback:
It doesn't matter much if you are on a Desktop PC: Processors since at least one decade can handle software decoding for video playback just fine. It matters while using steam streaming as client, for me the latency is just to high with software decoding and its doubly annying if you know you have a capable GPU in the system and its not used. Where it really matters is running a portable because the software decoding is to inefficient and still uses up a lot of CPU time, which means lot of battery drain and more heat output. Often you have no choice if you want to use the binary driver, nvidia technology like optimus (switching between iGPU and dGPU) and Linux. And I can see that people get sour about this if they have to jury-rig a solution or missing out on features.
There are a lot of issues in X11 for the current Desktop experience and yet nvidia still clings to it. Like the inability to have different DPI settings on different screens. The autodection that current desktop environments, like KDE, recently implemented seem to me like stop-gap solution to get on Windows level of Desktop flexibility (connecting, reconnection displays on-the-fly and autodetect their prefered resolutions and settings) and currently have a lot of drawbacks and bugs. Future display server or other implementation may solve this but its hard get development going if half of the video dGPU market is not supporting it.
Isn't the lack of support for weyland really an open source issue? Iirc Nvidia can't support weyland with their binary drivers because doing so would violate the license for weyland.
Isn't the lack of support for weyland really an open source issue? Iirc Nvidia can't support weyland with their binary drivers because doing so would violate the license for weyland.
I'm not going to pretend I understand all the words on this page, but this is pretty much everything about it for those of you who do:
I had a faint hope of trying to grab a 3080 Ti within the launch window for a reasonable price but the affordable ones sold out instantly, and one that appeared affordable was misprice and went up to 3x the amount.
Back to waiting til next year to build a PC
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I had a faint hope of trying to grab a 3080 Ti within the launch window for a reasonable price but the affordable ones sold out instantly, and one that appeared affordable was misprice and went up to 3x the amount.
Back to waiting til next year to build a PC
Fingers crossed that with the contraction of the crypto market, the 3080 Ti being theoretically a LHR model, general supply increases, and the MSRP of the 3080 Ti being essentially pre-scalped, there will be enough availability that they can somewhat get in the hands of gamers for not ridiculous prices.
I got into the notify queues for all four available EVGA models pretty early (within about 45 minutes of the first reported times) once their website stopped getting hammered. It seemed like the standard 30x0 queues were a joke and they just sorta gave up on them after a few months, but maybe the 3080 Ti will have more luck.
I had a faint hope of trying to grab a 3080 Ti within the launch window for a reasonable price but the affordable ones sold out instantly, and one that appeared affordable was misprice and went up to 3x the amount.
Back to waiting til next year to build a PC
Fingers crossed that with the contraction of the crypto market, the 3080 Ti being theoretically a LHR model, general supply increases, and the MSRP of the 3080 Ti being essentially pre-scalped, there will be enough availability that they can somewhat get in the hands of gamers for not ridiculous prices.
I got into the notify queues for all four available EVGA models pretty early (within about 45 minutes of the first reported times) once their website stopped getting hammered. It seemed like the standard 30x0 queues were a joke and they just sorta gave up on them after a few months, but maybe the 3080 Ti will have more luck.
I would not invest a huge amount of hope in the LHR thing. It's apparently software mediated, and as such will be at best a temporary roadblock.
I had a faint hope of trying to grab a 3080 Ti within the launch window for a reasonable price but the affordable ones sold out instantly, and one that appeared affordable was misprice and went up to 3x the amount.
Back to waiting til next year to build a PC
Fingers crossed that with the contraction of the crypto market, the 3080 Ti being theoretically a LHR model, general supply increases, and the MSRP of the 3080 Ti being essentially pre-scalped, there will be enough availability that they can somewhat get in the hands of gamers for not ridiculous prices.
I got into the notify queues for all four available EVGA models pretty early (within about 45 minutes of the first reported times) once their website stopped getting hammered. It seemed like the standard 30x0 queues were a joke and they just sorta gave up on them after a few months, but maybe the 3080 Ti will have more luck.
I would not invest a huge amount of hope in the LHR thing. It's apparently software mediated, and as such will be at best a temporary roadblock.
I think that was just software / drivers on the 3060, I read the new SKUs have firmware / hardware limiters.
And even if they are relatively easy to circumvent, it's an additional barrier to entry and will drive down miner demand by some non-zero amount. But yeah, I'm not expecting it to make a big difference...Ethereum crashing the past few weeks probably is doing a lot more to kick miner demand in the balls there.
We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
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We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
Best solution to crypto is going to be regulation. Biden admin is already exploring how.
Fingers crossed they get this done. I can’t wait for the collapse of it does happen.
Then I can finally replace my G15 laptop with the 1660ti (it still is fine for everything, but, I mean….come on)
We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
Best solution to crypto is going to be regulation. Biden admin is already exploring how.
Fingers crossed they get this done. I can’t wait for the collapse of it does happen.
Then I can finally replace my G15 laptop with the 1660ti (it still is fine for everything, but, I mean….come on)
Crypto isn't going anywhere and there isn't any regulation that is magically going to make it collapse and also somehow magically generate video cards for you.
We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
I would point out that while Bitcoin is down about 30% compared to 3 months ago, it is also up 277% compared to 1 year ago. Its fluctuations are going to be more extreme than "traditional" wealth commodities, but I think anyone who thinks it's going to completely crash is kidding themselves.
While Etherium looks similar to bitcoin, it's a fundamentally different crypto, and I have less idea what happens there. Honestly, in terms of the PC/GPU hardware space, it would actually be *good* if the value of etherium got high enough that mining it with GPU's was no longer viable. If ETH crashes, you'll still get people who buy up GPU's thinking that there'll be another spike in the future. If it goes up, and GPU's aren't viable anymore, than means less demand in the GPU space.
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Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
It's a solid step up for sure...but $500 plus seems just unfair for a card that old. But we can't control this dumb as shit market
Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
It's decent upgrade. Any other year and I'd laugh myself off my chair at the idea of $600 to do it but right now? You gotta do what you gotta do... If the 580 won't satisfy you until you can land a 3xxx/4xxx, it could tide you over.
Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
It's a solid step up for sure...but $500 plus seems just unfair for a card that old. But we can't control this dumb as shit market
Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
It's decent upgrade. Any other year and I'd laugh myself off my chair at the idea of $600 to do it but right now? You gotta do what you gotta do... If the 580 won't satisfy you until you can land a 3xxx/4xxx, it could tide you over.
Yeah, unfortunately, it is what it is.
We're living in the post apocalyptic era of card hunting. Its rough out there.
Would you guys say a 1070ti is a good upgrade from a RX 580 for gaming at 1920 x 1080?
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
It's an ridiculous price but we live in ridiculous times. You should be able to get an equally ridiculous price for the 580 though.
I literally just sold my old 1070 Ti on ebay for $600. $200 more than I paid for it in December 2018.
It is stupid but apparently what they go for. And disappointed I couldn't sell to a forumer at a discount and not pay fucking $80 to ebay for the privilege.
Dr....if you are in MS and just bought one, let me know.
We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
incidentally.. last week i just bought a nice shiny upgrade from my ancient laptop w/ GF 750m to a Lenovo Legion 5 w 1660ti for a totally reasonable price and it arrived in 3 days with free shipping.. so.. yay?
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We can at least hope that ASICs and/or proof of steak or whatever kick in there. Etherium ASICs are available now and once they are made in volume they will obsolete GPUs for commercial mining of that crypto. We can only hope that some fuckstick doesn't make some other GPU-mineable crypto fashionable.
Best solution to crypto is going to be regulation. Biden admin is already exploring how.
Fingers crossed they get this done. I can’t wait for the collapse of it does happen.
Then I can finally replace my G15 laptop with the 1660ti (it still is fine for everything, but, I mean….come on)
Crypto isn't going anywhere and there isn't any regulation that is magically going to make it collapse and also somehow magically generate video cards for you.
"It is a crime to exchange US legal tender for cryptocurrencies or for foreign currencies that have been traded for cryptocurrencies" would blow it up pretty good
Maybe throw in a "it is a crime to accept cryptocurrencies as payment for goods or services" for good measure, but it would probably be enough to make it illegal to cash out in USD
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Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
I'm skeptical you can read the documentation I linked, understand it, and then write what you wrote.
Every engine supports software lighting unless you specifically enable raytracing, if it supports raytracing at all. It's baffling to me that you can see Epic bringing some of the benefits of RT to a subset of geometry in a game scene, while still preserving the really good stuff for hardware raytracing, and you're conclusion is that Epic is somehow taking something away from you, instead of giving you more.
Are you angry they keep trying to give you free games too? Like they are specifically stealing them from your Steam library?
that reads extremely like fallback software for ray tracing if there's no ray tracing hardware solution in the system, not a replacement for ray tracing hardware. Like software 3D graphics acceleration in the years before 3D graphics hardware being present was the default.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
that reads extremely like fallback software for ray tracing if there's no ray tracing hardware solution in the system, not a replacement for ray tracing hardware. Like software 3D graphics acceleration in the years before 3D graphics hardware being present was the default.
Then why would Nvidia be working with them on a specialized version of Unreal engine with hardware rt if it works just fine?
Deprecated, among the several other things big software companies use to bully each other, means unsupported and no longer getting updates. So if anything happens on the AMD or Nvidia hardware it doesn't matter.
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Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
I'm skeptical you can read the documentation I linked, understand it, and then write what you wrote.
Every engine supports software lighting unless you specifically enable raytracing, if it supports raytracing at all. It's baffling to me that you can see Epic bringing some of the benefits of RT to a subset of geometry in a game scene, while still preserving the really good stuff for hardware raytracing, and you're conclusion is that Epic is somehow taking something away from you, instead of giving you more.
Are you angry they keep trying to give you free games too? Like they are specifically stealing them from your Steam library?
Meanwhile, in the Unreal Engine 5 interface
And I really think you need to look up what deprecation specifically means. They are officially discouraging its use as a method to remove it. That's what deprecation is. That is its use.
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Two sticks of value-series RAM that I bought two years ago go for $20 more these days. Wat? Have RAM prices only gone up? I want to add another 16 gigs to my machine. Are there any usual suspect sales? Black Friday maybe?
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Two sticks of value-series RAM that I bought two years ago go for $20 more these days. Wat? Have RAM prices only gone up? I want to add another 16 gigs to my machine. Are there any usual suspect sales? Black Friday maybe?
Everything has gone up in price. Nothing is going to be as cheap as it was 12+ months ago and isn't likely to return to those levels possibly ever. Be happy the ram you want is only $20 more and not exponentially higher like everything else is.
Well I just got another 2TB MX500 SSD, which was about £30 less than I paid for the same model just over a year ago.
But I bought it now because it was on a moderate sale, and with this chia crypto shitfuckery there's a fair chance that storage prices will spike too. So even though I still have ~500GB free, which at current usage should last me at least another 6-9 months, I felt compelled to buy while the getting was good. Maybe they'll be another £30 cheaper in February. Maybe they'll be £130 more expensive, or just plain unavailable. Who knows? :?
Two sticks of value-series RAM that I bought two years ago go for $20 more these days. Wat? Have RAM prices only gone up? I want to add another 16 gigs to my machine. Are there any usual suspect sales? Black Friday maybe?
Everything has gone up in price. Nothing is going to be as cheap as it was 12+ months ago and isn't likely to return to those levels possibly ever. Be happy the ram you want is only $20 more and not exponentially higher like everything else is.
Yep! The RAM I wanted for my machine was $225 at Christmas and $340 now. Prices have gone up about ~50% overall in 6 months.
Well I just got another 2TB MX500 SSD, which was about £30 less than I paid for the same model just over a year ago.
But I bought it now because it was on a moderate sale, and with this chia crypto shitfuckery there's a fair chance that storage prices will spike too. So even though I still have ~500GB free, which at current usage should last me at least another 6-9 months, I felt compelled to buy while the getting was good. Maybe they'll be another £30 cheaper in February. Maybe they'll be £130 more expensive, or just plain unavailable. Who knows? :?
SATA drives haven’t been as affected yet, but NVME drives with TLC and DRAM have gone up at ~50% in the past few weeks. Cryptocurrency needs to be banned entirely.
Edit: it also only seems to be 2TB and above that have increased in price. 500GB/1TB seem to be at their original prices right now.
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Man, I liked it better when stuff got cheaper after a while. When you could wait a couple of years on the good hardware and by then it would be rather more affordable even if you had to buy secondhand. But now, goddamb 1070GTXs are $600 second hand.
Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
I'm skeptical you can read the documentation I linked, understand it, and then write what you wrote.
Every engine supports software lighting unless you specifically enable raytracing, if it supports raytracing at all. It's baffling to me that you can see Epic bringing some of the benefits of RT to a subset of geometry in a game scene, while still preserving the really good stuff for hardware raytracing, and you're conclusion is that Epic is somehow taking something away from you, instead of giving you more.
Are you angry they keep trying to give you free games too? Like they are specifically stealing them from your Steam library?
Meanwhile, in the Unreal Engine 5 interface
And I really think you need to look up what deprecation specifically means. They are officially discouraging its use as a method to remove it. That's what deprecation is. That is its use.
They aren't deprecating the functionality. They deprecated the namespace. This is normal and typical. The lumen system encompasses hw rt, with software callbacks for the viable subset of its functionality.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Epic deprecated Ray Tracing so they could sell their Lumen system in UE5.
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
Lumen implements efficient Software Ray Tracing, allowing Global Illumination and Reflections to run on a wide range of video cards, while supporting Hardware Ray Tracing for high end visuals.
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Lumen uses Software Ray Tracing through Signed Distance Fields by default, but can achieve higher quality on supporting video cards when Hardware Ray Tracing is enabled.
It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
I'm skeptical you can read the documentation I linked, understand it, and then write what you wrote.
Every engine supports software lighting unless you specifically enable raytracing, if it supports raytracing at all. It's baffling to me that you can see Epic bringing some of the benefits of RT to a subset of geometry in a game scene, while still preserving the really good stuff for hardware raytracing, and you're conclusion is that Epic is somehow taking something away from you, instead of giving you more.
Are you angry they keep trying to give you free games too? Like they are specifically stealing them from your Steam library?
Meanwhile, in the Unreal Engine 5 interface
And I really think you need to look up what deprecation specifically means. They are officially discouraging its use as a method to remove it. That's what deprecation is. That is its use.
They aren't deprecating the functionality. They deprecated the namespace. This is normal and typical. The lumen system encompasses hw rt, with software callbacks for the viable subset of its functionality.
I ask again
If that’s the case, why is Nvidia “working” with Epic?
And what you’re basically saying is their system man-in-the-middles RT sessions. Which makes things worse, pretty much always. And why did it get done? Why did they insert a layer of their proprietary software that, according to you, functionally does nothing?
Can’t say for sure, but the fact they can’t patent ray tracing seems high on the list.
This has a similar stink on it as needing to buy commercial Nvidia cards for Linux.
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This, I agree.
Regarding video playback:
It doesn't matter much if you are on a Desktop PC: Processors since at least one decade can handle software decoding for video playback just fine. It matters while using steam streaming as client, for me the latency is just to high with software decoding and its doubly annying if you know you have a capable GPU in the system and its not used. Where it really matters is running a portable because the software decoding is to inefficient and still uses up a lot of CPU time, which means lot of battery drain and more heat output. Often you have no choice if you want to use the binary driver, nvidia technology like optimus (switching between iGPU and dGPU) and Linux. And I can see that people get sour about this if they have to jury-rig a solution or missing out on features.
There are a lot of issues in X11 for the current Desktop experience and yet nvidia still clings to it. Like the inability to have different DPI settings on different screens. The autodection that current desktop environments, like KDE, recently implemented seem to me like stop-gap solution to get on Windows level of Desktop flexibility (connecting, reconnection displays on-the-fly and autodetect their prefered resolutions and settings) and currently have a lot of drawbacks and bugs. Future display server or other implementation may solve this but its hard get development going if half of the video dGPU market is not supporting it.
I'm not going to pretend I understand all the words on this page, but this is pretty much everything about it for those of you who do:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/NVIDIA
My understanding is that the Nvidia driver forces the use of their own compositor instead of just using the open source stuff that's freely available.
But also supposedly the 470 series of the driver is "More Wayland friendly than ever," so I guess we'll see.
It uses the Nvidia Shields streaming tech, and works wayyyy better than the Steam streaming for me.
Back to waiting til next year to build a PC
Fingers crossed that with the contraction of the crypto market, the 3080 Ti being theoretically a LHR model, general supply increases, and the MSRP of the 3080 Ti being essentially pre-scalped, there will be enough availability that they can somewhat get in the hands of gamers for not ridiculous prices.
I got into the notify queues for all four available EVGA models pretty early (within about 45 minutes of the first reported times) once their website stopped getting hammered. It seemed like the standard 30x0 queues were a joke and they just sorta gave up on them after a few months, but maybe the 3080 Ti will have more luck.
I would not invest a huge amount of hope in the LHR thing. It's apparently software mediated, and as such will be at best a temporary roadblock.
I think that was just software / drivers on the 3060, I read the new SKUs have firmware / hardware limiters.
And even if they are relatively easy to circumvent, it's an additional barrier to entry and will drive down miner demand by some non-zero amount. But yeah, I'm not expecting it to make a big difference...Ethereum crashing the past few weeks probably is doing a lot more to kick miner demand in the balls there.
Best solution to crypto is going to be regulation. Biden admin is already exploring how.
Fingers crossed they get this done. I can’t wait for the collapse of it does happen.
Then I can finally replace my G15 laptop with the 1660ti (it still is fine for everything, but, I mean….come on)
Crypto isn't going anywhere and there isn't any regulation that is magically going to make it collapse and also somehow magically generate video cards for you.
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While Etherium looks similar to bitcoin, it's a fundamentally different crypto, and I have less idea what happens there. Honestly, in terms of the PC/GPU hardware space, it would actually be *good* if the value of etherium got high enough that mining it with GPU's was no longer viable. If ETH crashes, you'll still get people who buy up GPU's thinking that there'll be another spike in the future. If it goes up, and GPU's aren't viable anymore, than means less demand in the GPU space.
Can find them on ebay for under 600. Thats not bad for my budget at all.
Its not quite the jump something like a 3060 would be but I could wait next year for that. Getting something that would give me like 50% extra juice for now would be fine with me.
$2500-$3500. Yup...Nvidia gave scalpers even more money.
It's a solid step up for sure...but $500 plus seems just unfair for a card that old. But we can't control this dumb as shit market
It's decent upgrade. Any other year and I'd laugh myself off my chair at the idea of $600 to do it but right now? You gotta do what you gotta do... If the 580 won't satisfy you until you can land a 3xxx/4xxx, it could tide you over.
We're living in the post apocalyptic era of card hunting. Its rough out there.
It's an ridiculous price but we live in ridiculous times. You should be able to get an equally ridiculous price for the 580 though.
It is stupid but apparently what they go for. And disappointed I couldn't sell to a forumer at a discount and not pay fucking $80 to ebay for the privilege.
Dr....if you are in MS and just bought one, let me know.
actually.... https://steak.network is already a thing, lol
incidentally.. last week i just bought a nice shiny upgrade from my ancient laptop w/ GF 750m to a Lenovo Legion 5 w 1660ti for a totally reasonable price and it arrived in 3 days with free shipping.. so.. yay?
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"It is a crime to exchange US legal tender for cryptocurrencies or for foreign currencies that have been traded for cryptocurrencies" would blow it up pretty good
Jesus Christ I hate this company
Even among scummy tech companies they feel particularly scum-loaded
Is that actually true? I immediately googled it, and only found
It sounds like they didn't deprecate raytracing, but included a software fallback for it?
Edit: Furthermore
https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.0/en-US/RenderingFeatures/Lumen/TechOverview/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/nt314n/the_micro_city_pc_includes_a_z_scale_model_train/
I love it!
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It’s been deprecated and non of the hardware in rt cards gets used unless it’s specially done. They’re really pushing their own custom solution.
So just like their store they half ass their engine now that they’ve got Fortnite money.
I'm skeptical you can read the documentation I linked, understand it, and then write what you wrote.
Every engine supports software lighting unless you specifically enable raytracing, if it supports raytracing at all. It's baffling to me that you can see Epic bringing some of the benefits of RT to a subset of geometry in a game scene, while still preserving the really good stuff for hardware raytracing, and you're conclusion is that Epic is somehow taking something away from you, instead of giving you more.
Are you angry they keep trying to give you free games too? Like they are specifically stealing them from your Steam library?
Then why would Nvidia be working with them on a specialized version of Unreal engine with hardware rt if it works just fine?
Deprecated, among the several other things big software companies use to bully each other, means unsupported and no longer getting updates. So if anything happens on the AMD or Nvidia hardware it doesn't matter.
tl;dr: 3080 Ti is a complete waste of money, buy a 3080 or 3090*
*in a hypothetical world where you can buy anything
Meanwhile, in the Unreal Engine 5 interface
And I really think you need to look up what deprecation specifically means. They are officially discouraging its use as a method to remove it. That's what deprecation is. That is its use.
Everything has gone up in price. Nothing is going to be as cheap as it was 12+ months ago and isn't likely to return to those levels possibly ever. Be happy the ram you want is only $20 more and not exponentially higher like everything else is.
But I bought it now because it was on a moderate sale, and with this chia crypto shitfuckery there's a fair chance that storage prices will spike too. So even though I still have ~500GB free, which at current usage should last me at least another 6-9 months, I felt compelled to buy while the getting was good. Maybe they'll be another £30 cheaper in February. Maybe they'll be £130 more expensive, or just plain unavailable. Who knows? :?
Yep! The RAM I wanted for my machine was $225 at Christmas and $340 now. Prices have gone up about ~50% overall in 6 months.
SATA drives haven’t been as affected yet, but NVME drives with TLC and DRAM have gone up at ~50% in the past few weeks. Cryptocurrency needs to be banned entirely.
Edit: it also only seems to be 2TB and above that have increased in price. 500GB/1TB seem to be at their original prices right now.
Man, I liked it better when stuff got cheaper after a while. When you could wait a couple of years on the good hardware and by then it would be rather more affordable even if you had to buy secondhand. But now, goddamb 1070GTXs are $600 second hand.
Crytpocurrency can go to prison.
They aren't deprecating the functionality. They deprecated the namespace. This is normal and typical. The lumen system encompasses hw rt, with software callbacks for the viable subset of its functionality.
I ask again
If that’s the case, why is Nvidia “working” with Epic?
And what you’re basically saying is their system man-in-the-middles RT sessions. Which makes things worse, pretty much always. And why did it get done? Why did they insert a layer of their proprietary software that, according to you, functionally does nothing?
Can’t say for sure, but the fact they can’t patent ray tracing seems high on the list.
This has a similar stink on it as needing to buy commercial Nvidia cards for Linux.