Got around to installing the new SSD today. Now my CPU fan is running perceptibly quieter. I didn't even go into the BIOS, I didn't touch anything I didn't change anything.
Computers be fucking weird.
Probably bumped a cable or something while you were in there that was vibrating.
The fan cable on my old PC CPU cooler had to be set just right or it would rattle, and almost every time I'd get in my case just the movement of unplugging everything and sliding it out / laying it down would be enough for it to go back to where it would rattle and I'd have to futz with it.
3070 Ti reviews are basically "in a world where cards are available at MSRP there's little reason to buy this card over the other options". It's barely faster than a 3070 for $100 more, and the 3080 is a significant increase in price/performance that makes the 3070 Ti a weird card in the portfolio.
But none of this matters since no one can actually buy anything.
Wait...I thought MSRP on standard 3070s was $599 (lol) and that the 3070ti also is going to have an MSRP of $599. Wouldn't that make the statement "why buy a 3070 when you get a slight performance boost at the same price"?
as said, 3070 MSRP is $500, vendors often charge a bit more for their beefed up cards, but the product stack now looks like this:
The product stack is super weird at MSRP. the cheapest card has more VRAM than all but the 3080 Ti and 3090. The middle cards offer very similar performance for their $100 jumps. the 3080 isn't super well future proofed for 4k gaming considering there are already games that can fill more than 8GB with 4k assets, and the 3080 Ti is a FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR jump from the 3080.
Again, none of this really matters because no one can buy anything but I just find the 3xxx series to be really weird.
Definitely going to wait for tomorrow and see what the non-FE prices are going to be then. I was basing my numbers on the lowest price for a 3070 as offered from eVGA. So if the price for a 3070ti is such that it's a straight replacement for the base 3070, negative reviews be damned, the TI is what I'd be aiming for and recommending.
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3070 Ti reviews are basically "in a world where cards are available at MSRP there's little reason to buy this card over the other options". It's barely faster than a 3070 for $100 more, and the 3080 is a significant increase in price/performance that makes the 3070 Ti a weird card in the portfolio.
But none of this matters since no one can actually buy anything.
Wait...I thought MSRP on standard 3070s was $599 (lol) and that the 3070ti also is going to have an MSRP of $599. Wouldn't that make the statement "why buy a 3070 when you get a slight performance boost at the same price"?
as said, 3070 MSRP is $500, vendors often charge a bit more for their beefed up cards, but the product stack now looks like this:
The product stack is super weird at MSRP. the cheapest card has more VRAM than all but the 3080 Ti and 3090. The middle cards offer very similar performance for their $100 jumps. the 3080 isn't super well future proofed for 4k gaming considering there are already games that can fill more than 8GB with 4k assets, and the 3080 Ti is a FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR jump from the 3080.
Again, none of this really matters because no one can buy anything but I just find the 3xxx series to be really weird.
Definitely going to wait for tomorrow and see what the non-FE prices are going to be then. I was basing my numbers on the lowest price for a 3070 as offered from eVGA. So if the price for a 3070ti is such that it's a straight replacement for the base 3070, negative reviews be damned, the TI is what I'd be aiming for and recommending.
Yeah, I'm going to try for an EVGA one tomorrow, I'm a ways back in the queue for the 3080 Ti but I think I should be able to get in pretty early tomorrow (last week I wasn't in the Elite Club or whatever because I never registered my AIO and that took a few minutes).
I'm buying anything I can find 3070 Ti and up because if I can pay non-scalper prices for anything up to a 3090 I will at worst break even when I sell the 3070 I'm currently using.
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See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Yeah it's so they can squeeze out cards of multiple configs, bins, and memory types.
If they're sitting on a cache of DDR6X and absolutely not enough 3080/3090's, now they've got the 3070 Ti to squeeze out the door.
See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
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See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
My understanding is the $599 XC3 3070 Ti isn't available yet and very well may never be manufactured in more than trivial quantities, it's just NVidia requires some set number of SKUs at launch for AIB manufacturers.
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See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
My understanding is the $599 XC3 3070 Ti isn't available yet and very well may never be manufactured in more than trivial quantities, it's just NVidia requires some set number of SKUs at launch for AIB manufacturers.
There's one (for $599) in the "Oops all 3070-Ti" newegg shuffle today, but it's probably literally one haha.
See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
My understanding is the $599 XC3 3070 Ti isn't available yet and very well may never be manufactured in more than trivial quantities, it's just NVidia requires some set number of SKUs at launch for AIB manufacturers.
There's one (for $599) in the "Oops all 3070-Ti" newegg shuffle today, but it's probably literally one haha.
You missed the other four $599 3070tis then. Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI, and Zotac also all had $599 choices. I know this because I selected 6 cards in this lottery (5 at $599, 1 EVGA at something like $769 or whatever).
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I'm gonna do it, guys. I'm gonna win the newegg shuffle and everything is going to be okay.
Well this seems perfectly fine and we should embrace them for the fine service they provide. Under no circumstances should the legal system crush them to death.
See, that's the thing, the Ti's aren't replacements for the non Ti cards. at least, not anymore. They mostly exist to fill price gaps so there are cards in every tier possible. The 3070 will remain for sale (at least, in theory) alongside the 3070 Ti, with the Ti's only real advantage being GDDR6X memory instead of GDDR6, and the reviews are basically... "yeah it's not a noticeable gain and is $100 more why does this card exist?"
Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
My understanding is the $599 XC3 3070 Ti isn't available yet and very well may never be manufactured in more than trivial quantities, it's just NVidia requires some set number of SKUs at launch for AIB manufacturers.
There's one (for $599) in the "Oops all 3070-Ti" newegg shuffle today, but it's probably literally one haha.
You missed the other four $599 3070tis then. Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI, and Zotac also all had $599 choices. I know this because I selected 6 cards in this lottery (5 at $599, 1 EVGA at something like $769 or whatever).
Oh no, same, I meant one unit of the XC3 for the whole shuffle haha.
Just reading the twitter responses to that Snailbot post, it's just all positive, "Oh yeah $2,698 is a lot, but snailbot is so reliable that you'll recoup that quickly and easily, it's a solid investment"
So I managed to score a 3070 Ti for a reasonable price at launch.
I now need to go and buy the rest of my parts for my new build. Planned parts are as follows:
CPU: Ryzen 5800X
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB 3600MHz CL16 DDR4
PSU: Corsair RM850x Gold 850W
Cooling: NZXT Kraken X63 280mm AIO
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD NVMe
Case: Fractal Meshify 2
I'm pulling towards the Dark Hero over the cheaper x570s since it's fanless. Memory might be overkill? Also I found the number of SSD variants confusing, is that the correct one to be going for?
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Folks I am hoping for some upgrade advice. I think it's about time I got a new CPU, this one is 10 years old and it's starting to show. As I understand it that means I'll probably need to change my motherboard as well because I bought that at the same time?
Would it be possible to get an updated CPU without changing the board? If so should I change it anyway because it's probably likely to die soon? And can anyone suggest what to get for either/both. I don't need a top level gaming rig, and this actually still plays most things fine, but I think I'm noticing some struggle.
I originally built this PC for the release of Skyrim based on advice from these threads and I've been super happy with how it's performed so thanks you guys, you're great.
Folks I am hoping for some upgrade advice. I think it's about time I got a new CPU, this one is 10 years old and it's starting to show. As I understand it that means I'll probably need to change my motherboard as well because I bought that at the same time?
You will indeed need a new motherboard, your old one isn't compatible with current CPUs.
You will also need new RAM. Your old RAM is DDR3 and current motherboards use DDR4.
Folks I am hoping for some upgrade advice. I think it's about time I got a new CPU, this one is 10 years old and it's starting to show. As I understand it that means I'll probably need to change my motherboard as well because I bought that at the same time?
Would it be possible to get an updated CPU without changing the board? If so should I change it anyway because it's probably likely to die soon? And can anyone suggest what to get for either/both. I don't need a top level gaming rig, and this actually still plays most things fine, but I think I'm noticing some struggle.
I originally built this PC for the release of Skyrim based on advice from these threads and I've been super happy with how it's performed so thanks you guys, you're great.
Your chipset tops out at i7 875K or i7 880, if you don't want to replace the board. That should net you another year or maybe two
Folks I am hoping for some upgrade advice. I think it's about time I got a new CPU, this one is 10 years old and it's starting to show. As I understand it that means I'll probably need to change my motherboard as well because I bought that at the same time?
Would it be possible to get an updated CPU without changing the board? If so should I change it anyway because it's probably likely to die soon? And can anyone suggest what to get for either/both. I don't need a top level gaming rig, and this actually still plays most things fine, but I think I'm noticing some struggle.
I originally built this PC for the release of Skyrim based on advice from these threads and I've been super happy with how it's performed so thanks you guys, you're great.
Your PSU should be fine, your GPU is...ok for now...for light gaming, basically a 970 equivalent. You've got an ATX / mATX case I assume.
Everything else probably needs to be replaced because your mobo and ram are exceptionally obsolete.
It depends on your budget, but a B550 motherboard, Ryzen 5600X, and 2x8 (eventually to upgrade to 4x8 if you get cramped) DDR4 sticks should be just under $500. If you don't have a recent SSD I'd personally add at least a 1 TB M.2 SSD (2 TB if you can swing it) for $120 or so just for QoL.
If you are just finding your previous build is in need of replacement now after a decade the 5600X build noted above should get you 5+ years, especially if you throw a decent GPU in it when the market is less ridiculously stupid.
If you're thinking this build will also need to last 8-10 years, then a 5800x is probably wiser. Otherwise yup, grab a b550 and some new RAM. DDR4 3600Mhz CL16 is perfectly cromulent and there's tons of options at that spec.
btw Smof I have a 16B set (2x8GB) of DDR4-3000 collecting dust, it's yours if you want it. It's by no means leading edge but if you're gonna build a new PC now then you can have it for that, and get fancy fast RAM some other time, such as when people upgrade to DDR5 and sell off their fancy low-latency 32GB DDR-3600 kits.
That would trim a few quid off the initial layout, at least.
Every once in a while I check ebay to see what can sell my 2080 for, and it turns out a lot! My model has sold for about $1000!
And then I look at the prices of the 3080s on up and ha. Even selling my card for $1000 doesn't allow me to clear the mental hurdle of spending that much money on a gpu.
btw Smof I have a 16B set (2x8GB) of DDR4-3000 collecting dust, it's yours if you want it. It's by no means leading edge but if you're gonna build a new PC now then you can have it for that, and get fancy fast RAM some other time, such as when people upgrade to DDR5 and sell off their fancy low-latency 32GB DDR-3600 kits.
That would trim a few quid off the initial layout, at least.
That's very kind of you. I doubt I'll be upgrading soon, I don't have the few hundred quid it's going to cost, but I wanted to get an idea of what to aim for. But if you genuinely don't have another home for it I will take it to keep for when I can use it, thank you.
I guess I just hold out hope for next generation of cards. At least I have comfort in the fact I'm not playing bleeding edge games when I even do have the time :P
btw Smof I have a 16B set (2x8GB) of DDR4-3000 collecting dust, it's yours if you want it. It's by no means leading edge but if you're gonna build a new PC now then you can have it for that, and get fancy fast RAM some other time, such as when people upgrade to DDR5 and sell off their fancy low-latency 32GB DDR-3600 kits.
That would trim a few quid off the initial layout, at least.
That's very kind of you. I doubt I'll be upgrading soon, I don't have the few hundred quid it's going to cost, but I wanted to get an idea of what to aim for. But if you genuinely don't have another home for it I will take it to keep for when I can use it, thank you.
Oh no you did a good job picking that GPU out; your build is very similar to mine, putting any GPU more powerful than that would've been a waste. There isn't much point to upgrading it because you'd be replacing too many things. I'd wanted to replace my PC as well but I think I'm going to wait until fall at the earliest to see how things shake out.
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Probably bumped a cable or something while you were in there that was vibrating.
The fan cable on my old PC CPU cooler had to be set just right or it would rattle, and almost every time I'd get in my case just the movement of unplugging everything and sliding it out / laying it down would be enough for it to go back to where it would rattle and I'd have to futz with it.
IDK maybe some microcode update got installed or some shit.
Or a wizard did it.
Definitely going to wait for tomorrow and see what the non-FE prices are going to be then. I was basing my numbers on the lowest price for a 3070 as offered from eVGA. So if the price for a 3070ti is such that it's a straight replacement for the base 3070, negative reviews be damned, the TI is what I'd be aiming for and recommending.
Yeah, I'm going to try for an EVGA one tomorrow, I'm a ways back in the queue for the 3080 Ti but I think I should be able to get in pretty early tomorrow (last week I wasn't in the Elite Club or whatever because I never registered my AIO and that took a few minutes).
I'm buying anything I can find 3070 Ti and up because if I can pay non-scalper prices for anything up to a 3090 I will at worst break even when I sell the 3070 I'm currently using.
Did you accidentally turn your LED's to blue?
Yeah it's so they can squeeze out cards of multiple configs, bins, and memory types.
If they're sitting on a cache of DDR6X and absolutely not enough 3080/3090's, now they've got the 3070 Ti to squeeze out the door.
Octarine, same as always.
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Interestingly, EVGA has a 3070ti that's specifically priced to outright replace their own 3070. So yeah...with some vendors, it's still a thing.
My understanding is the $599 XC3 3070 Ti isn't available yet and very well may never be manufactured in more than trivial quantities, it's just NVidia requires some set number of SKUs at launch for AIB manufacturers.
You missed the other four $599 3070tis then. Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI, and Zotac also all had $599 choices. I know this because I selected 6 cards in this lottery (5 at $599, 1 EVGA at something like $769 or whatever).
Why it's impossible to get an RTX card from Amazon, part 5 - insane profiteering edition;
They're bragging about 561 successful checkouts on Amazon today alone
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I paid $1150 for a 6700XT and a motherboard.
Point and laugh please.
Fuck all of these people.
I now need to go and buy the rest of my parts for my new build. Planned parts are as follows:
CPU: Ryzen 5800X
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB 3600MHz CL16 DDR4
PSU: Corsair RM850x Gold 850W
Cooling: NZXT Kraken X63 280mm AIO
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB SSD NVMe
Case: Fractal Meshify 2
I'm pulling towards the Dark Hero over the cheaper x570s since it's fanless. Memory might be overkill? Also I found the number of SSD variants confusing, is that the correct one to be going for?
Current specs
CPU: Intel Core i5 760 @ 2.80GHz
Mobo: Gigabyte H55M-UD2H
GPU: AMD Radeon RX 580
PSU: Antec EAG Pro 750W
16GB RAM
Would it be possible to get an updated CPU without changing the board? If so should I change it anyway because it's probably likely to die soon? And can anyone suggest what to get for either/both. I don't need a top level gaming rig, and this actually still plays most things fine, but I think I'm noticing some struggle.
I originally built this PC for the release of Skyrim based on advice from these threads and I've been super happy with how it's performed so thanks you guys, you're great.
You will indeed need a new motherboard, your old one isn't compatible with current CPUs.
You will also need new RAM. Your old RAM is DDR3 and current motherboards use DDR4.
Your chipset tops out at i7 875K or i7 880, if you don't want to replace the board. That should net you another year or maybe two
Your PSU should be fine, your GPU is...ok for now...for light gaming, basically a 970 equivalent. You've got an ATX / mATX case I assume.
Everything else probably needs to be replaced because your mobo and ram are exceptionally obsolete.
It depends on your budget, but a B550 motherboard, Ryzen 5600X, and 2x8 (eventually to upgrade to 4x8 if you get cramped) DDR4 sticks should be just under $500. If you don't have a recent SSD I'd personally add at least a 1 TB M.2 SSD (2 TB if you can swing it) for $120 or so just for QoL.
If you are just finding your previous build is in need of replacement now after a decade the 5600X build noted above should get you 5+ years, especially if you throw a decent GPU in it when the market is less ridiculously stupid.
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You'll have to replace almost everything anyway
this new PC market fucking sucks.
If the CPU has a iGPU, yeah.
That would trim a few quid off the initial layout, at least.
And then I look at the prices of the 3080s on up and ha. Even selling my card for $1000 doesn't allow me to clear the mental hurdle of spending that much money on a gpu.
Now if my 970 was going for a decent price...
That's very kind of you. I doubt I'll be upgrading soon, I don't have the few hundred quid it's going to cost, but I wanted to get an idea of what to aim for. But if you genuinely don't have another home for it I will take it to keep for when I can use it, thank you.
Oh no you did a good job picking that GPU out; your build is very similar to mine, putting any GPU more powerful than that would've been a waste. There isn't much point to upgrading it because you'd be replacing too many things. I'd wanted to replace my PC as well but I think I'm going to wait until fall at the earliest to see how things shake out.