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[WoW] Shadowlands: Chains of Domination June 29th!

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    My bet is Kaplan. He was Afraisabi's BFF, and his departure of the company seemed very sketchy at the time, they couldn't just quietly drop him like they did to Afraisabi since he was the face of Overwatch, so they put that statement.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    it's definitely not just One Guy or A Couple Of Guys though, this shit is systemic as hell. And it's not just Activision-Blizzard, this is systemic through the whole game dev ecosystem. The rare problem people who get let go probably get referrals from their management buddies who are so sorry they have to be mean to their good sexism buddy to go on to Riot, Insomniac, Ubisoft, etc., which are well documented to have just the same kinds of issues.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    The high-profile people who got out probably were taking their severance packages and running before this very PR shitstorm hit and splattered all over them too.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Looks like Ghostcrawler had made a statement, whether it’s blowing smoke or real will come out at some point I suppose:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/1418567430792753153
    I try hard to be a good ally, and for me that means letting women speak about their experiences without folks like me always chiming in. There are no skeletons in my closet. No doubt I have failed being enough of an ally at times. This industry still has a long way to go.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Did not know, but apparently Afrasiabi very quietly left the company back in June 2020. Ghostcrawler's comment seems decently spot on.

  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    I raided with FoH back in WotLK and Cataclysm. Alex was in the raids sometimes. Lame claim to fame (/sexual harassment).

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    My bozo squad cleared Hard Tazavesh and then everyone dressed up in their closest simulacrums of my terrible transmog for the disc shot:

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    farming heroic today and this clip happens

    https://clips.twitch.tv/AntediluvianSucculentAyeayeNotATK-Ii-eeHzkFF36m0cI

    (boomy was asked for innervate and pressed...not innervate)

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  • Coconut MonkeyCoconut Monkey Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    farming heroic today and this clip happens

    https://clips.twitch.tv/AntediluvianSucculentAyeayeNotATK-Ii-eeHzkFF36m0cI

    (boomy was asked for innervate and pressed...not innervate)

    Another worthy contender for "I must go, my people need me".

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    That was Wild.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Morhaime put out a pretty statement where he is Very Sad and Believes Victims and uses a wonderful linguistic trick where he, specifically, tried very hard to make blizzard safe for women while the company, collectively, failed at that, carefully sidestepping a statement of personal responsibility. Lovely deployment the English language. Go fuck yourself, Mike.

    https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp1ie

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Morhaime put out a pretty statement where he is Very Sad and Believes Victims and uses a wonderful linguistic trick where he, specifically, tried very hard to make blizzard safe for women while the company, collectively, failed at that, carefully sidestepping a statement of personal responsibility. Lovely deployment the English language. Go fuck yourself, Mike.

    https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srp1ie

    Lore ripped him a new one on Twitter for that:




    And, more importantly, one of the female workers that left Blizzard stated that she wrote him a letter on 2018 saying "I LEFT THANKS TO ALL THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT THAT YOU ALLOW, JACKASS":

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    What a fucking joke.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Former worker Cher Scarlett adds her two cents saying that they did went to Morhaime and his answer was "Will someone get rid of these meddlesome women":



    As hard as this is, and knowing I'll never work in games again:

    Mike was directly responsible for the chain reaction of events that got me nearly fired for cc'ing him about Tia Zimmerman threatening me with violence for contacting emergency dispatch when she threatened suicide.

    While he didn't tell anyone to do it, he was the leader of the company and made comments about how was causing problems for the company and that "things need to be taken care of immediately" which was interpreted as "fire Cher".

    My immediate supervisor put his job on the line -

    for me, and as a result, the compromise was to label me as a low performer and cut my bonus and my pay.

    Don't tell me you wanted us to come to you. I came to you. And you destroyed my self worth.

    No one should have the power to destroy someone's career because they are annoyed in a high stress situation.

    NOT EVEN THE CEO.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Round 11: Fight

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    admanb wrote: »
    If I was responsible for naming NPCs in an RPG, literally every character that I have played or has appeared in one of my TTRPGs would be on the table as a potential name if it seemed appropriate. Using names that you're fond of and have personal significance to you when you're responsible for naming dozens-to-hundreds of characters seems very low on a list of sins.

    Using insider knowledge to get world firsts is pretty scummy tho.

    I mean, I was contacted once because I knew someone writing a game and they were like "I need a one-off name I can use for this random quest, do you wanna be in the game?"

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  • SproutSprout Registered User regular
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    admanb wrote: »
    If I was responsible for naming NPCs in an RPG, literally every character that I have played or has appeared in one of my TTRPGs would be on the table as a potential name if it seemed appropriate. Using names that you're fond of and have personal significance to you when you're responsible for naming dozens-to-hundreds of characters seems very low on a list of sins.

    Using insider knowledge to get world firsts is pretty scummy tho.

    I mean, I was contacted once because I knew someone writing a game and they were like "I need a one-off name I can use for this random quest, do you wanna be in the game?"

    There are forumers from here who had their names used in Mass Effect 3.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Sprout wrote: »
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    admanb wrote: »
    If I was responsible for naming NPCs in an RPG, literally every character that I have played or has appeared in one of my TTRPGs would be on the table as a potential name if it seemed appropriate. Using names that you're fond of and have personal significance to you when you're responsible for naming dozens-to-hundreds of characters seems very low on a list of sins.

    Using insider knowledge to get world firsts is pretty scummy tho.

    I mean, I was contacted once because I knew someone writing a game and they were like "I need a one-off name I can use for this random quest, do you wanna be in the game?"

    There are forumers from here who had their names used in Mass Effect 3.

    Yes, that is the thing I'm referring to.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Metzen with his response, a much better one.

    Pretty much: "I'm sorry, I didn't notice because I had the priviledge to not notice, both as a male and as the top of the chain".

  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    If nothing else, he acknowledges that it was real and ht was just privileged enough to ignore it, which is a damn sight more than the other folks have done.

    Low bar, but. I hate his the least. It feels the most sincere.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    I'm curious if/when we'll find out exactly which teams are/were trouble areas, since I've seen multiple current and former employees saying things were really bad on one team or another, but great when they transferred to a different team.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    It's a decent statement, but I'm curious if he gets called out like Morhaime was.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    If nothing else, he acknowledges that it was real and ht was just privileged enough to ignore it, which is a damn sight more than the other folks have done.

    Low bar, but. I hate his the least. It feels the most sincere.

    It is the best response. Almost as if written by a professional writer.

    However, former Blizzard folks have said that when they reported incidents of harassment to Metzen, his response was the evergreen classic, "boys will be boys".

  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    If nothing else, he acknowledges that it was real and ht was just privileged enough to ignore it, which is a damn sight more than the other folks have done.

    Low bar, but. I hate his the least. It feels the most sincere.

    It is the best response. Almost as if written by a professional writer.

    However, former Blizzard folks have said that when they reported incidents of harassment to Metzen, his response was the evergreen classic, "boys will be boys".

    UUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

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  • EvermournEvermourn Registered User regular
    Metzen was fully aware, no way he wasn't. That bunch of words is just a way to try to dodge any responsibility. Notice he doesn't say "I am currently/will cooperate fully with the investigation and make sure there is some justice for those abused." He just says, "Oh my, I'm so sad, I didn't know about any of this. We must do better. Cya!".

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Metzen is claiming that he didn't know what Afrasiabi was doing, and that he only interacted with him during meetings and smoke breaks:



    Metzen wrote:
    As for Alex. I loved working with him and jamming in story meetings. He was someone I thought very highly of on the job, but we never interacted outside of story jams and such. I was never his boss. We never really interacted outside of doing the work or taking smoke breaks…
    /1
    /2 we haven’t worked closely together sorry nice WotLK. I never heard a peep about him other than that he could be tough on his team or an asshole from time to time. So learning all this the past week has been just utterly shocking. Just reprehensible shit.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited July 2021

    Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)
    I don’t know what to do. I don’t have all the answers. I can tell you, almost no work is being done on World of Warcraft right now while this obscenity plays out. And that benefits nobody - not the players, not the developers, not the shareholders.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    His whole thread is a good read.

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  • evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    I don't buy Metzen's write up.
    Unless he was horrifically bad at his job there's no way he didn't notice what was going on in the lower rungs.
    Also that Afrasiabi comment feels like a Trump coffee boy moment.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    I thought Metzen's one was at least a "well this is good BUT". And that is legit supposed to be a big but.

    There was no direct admission of guilt. No saying that he was just as bad. It still felt slightly dodgy. But he didn't deny it happened.

    However, at the same time I feel like even while not being at Blizzard now, he was there for the times during the allegations. I feel like most would be unsure what they are allowed to say without something happening to them. Maybe they shouldn't be, but anyone not an idiot or full of overwhelming pride knows its best to not say anything until a lawyer tells you to. Even if the right thing would be to just tell the truth and accept what happens for what they have already done.

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    I don't buy Metzen's write up.
    Unless he was horrifically bad at his job there's no way he didn't notice what was going on in the lower rungs.
    Also that Afrasiabi comment feels like a Trump coffee boy moment.

    Yep....this was one of the responses and it went a bit more in-depth.



    They're stupid even posting the apologies at this point, tbh.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Oh looks like the "how dare people speak up about workplace abuse and disrupt development, this is really harming the workers and you, the consumer!" garbage takes are popping up today. Don't fall for that shit. This is ABOUT safety and fairness for the workers.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    so i've debated posting this because afaik no one has publicly named him and i don't know how much right i have to when it's not my story, but i don't know i feel maybe something should be said so it's known

    i also don't know how much should legally be said, now that we're dealing with a lawsuit? so maybe i will delete this later???

    sean copeland/loreology has pretty dirty hands on this subject and at a minimum preyed on content creators

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Unless you're some part of the lawsuit yourself it shouldn't really matter what you say. Lord knows it hasn't stopped Blizzard's management either way, lawl.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    so i've debated posting this because afaik no one has publicly named him and i don't know how much right i have to when it's not my story, but i don't know i feel maybe something should be said so it's known

    i also don't know how much should legally be said, now that we're dealing with a lawsuit? so maybe i will delete this later???

    sean copeland/loreology has pretty dirty hands on this subject and at a minimum preyed on content creators

    Pretty sure that the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing would be very interested on your story.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    in the past litigious groups or persons have threatened the ownership of the site for negative things people have posted about them so that is probably the concern, site ownership doesn't want to deal with lawsuit harassment.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    so i've debated posting this because afaik no one has publicly named him and i don't know how much right i have to when it's not my story, but i don't know i feel maybe something should be said so it's known

    i also don't know how much should legally be said, now that we're dealing with a lawsuit? so maybe i will delete this later???

    sean copeland/loreology has pretty dirty hands on this subject and at a minimum preyed on content creators

    Pretty sure that the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing would be very interested on your story.

    Well, it's not INAGTP's story.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Does the Torghast timer progress while on floor 3? What about in the "preparation areas" at the start of floors? Is there any place that has all these sorts of details worked out that I can look at?

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    Does the Torghast timer progress while on floor 3? What about in the "preparation areas" at the start of floors? Is there any place that has all these sorts of details worked out that I can look at?

    I'm pretty sure Torghast par times are floor-by-floor and you get points for each floor you complete under time. Floor 3 and 5 don't have par times, so you can't score or fail to score for them.

  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    Does the Torghast timer progress while on floor 3? What about in the "preparation areas" at the start of floors? Is there any place that has all these sorts of details worked out that I can look at?

    I'm pretty sure Torghast par times are floor-by-floor and you get points for each floor you complete under time. Floor 3 and 5 don't have par times, so you can't score or fail to score for them.

    That said there is a bonus based on how fast you kill the Floor 5 boss, but only counts while in combat.

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