it's useful sometimes to be reminded that high-level professionals (like judges) are still just people and for the most part have the same dumb foibles lots of people do
but still, jesus fucking christ you'd like to think a judge could separate his personal BS at least a little bit from the courtroom
You don’t get the massive incarcerated population and shitty worker laws we got in the U.S. without a lot of spectacularly shitty judges.
The Chinese government thing is more about an official higher up government decision to kill pets as part of a quarantine procedure instead of the in the moment decision American cops make to just kill dogs because they feel like it and they won't get punished for it regardless of what the any officials outside of the cops want
The latter is not remotely better, but I don't think the comparison is that good even though they are both the "government"
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The Chinese government thing is more about an official higher up government decision to kill pets as part of a quarantine procedure instead of the in the moment decision American cops make to just kill dogs because they feel like it and they won't get punished for it regardless of what the any officials outside of the cops want
The latter is not remotely better, but I don't think the comparison is that good even though they are both the "government"
Just a reminder that in the US, the government (as official policy, not a side-effect of police recklessness) does kill tons of dogs every year for essentially no reason, other than their appearance.
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Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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Also this is only the latest example of "News reporting something China did as an atrocity when it's something we've been doing over here forever."
It's nakedly propaganda and manufacturing consent for military action.
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Relatedly, it turns out apparently there are limits to qualified immunity for police officers.
(Tweet put in spoiler tags because of picture of a dog with visible injuries.)
A Minneapolis cop who shot two service dogs in 2017 won't be shielded by qualified immunity, says judge. "It is clearly established that an officer cannot shoot a dog in the absence of an objectively legitimate and imminent threat to him or others."
Of course, the police officer lied in his report about the threat that the dogs posed, but that wasn't why the qualified immunity argument was rejected. No, it was that the courts found it unreasonable that he would have perceived the dogs acting in a friendly manner (even after one of them had been shot!) as a threat.
Text: BREAKING: Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt GRANTS clemency for death row inmate Julius Jones, sparing him from execution. His sentence is commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Source: Dillon Richards is a reporter for OKC ABC affiliate KOCO
Holy shit. Oklahoma governor and reverse mortgage telemarketing scam made flesh Kevin Stitt has cancelled his afternoon plans to torture a probably-innocent man to death via pre-botched lethal injection.
Absolutely no credit attaches to him here, as he did everything in the cruelest fashion right up to the last possible moment and also he tortured another man to death via pre-botched lethal injection less than a month ago.
He slug-slimed his way over the lowest possible moral bar and everything has been in such a state of stomach-cramping vile inevitability around here that the relief is palpable and shameful. The best news of the day is that a probably-innocent man is still in a cage where the man who begrudgingly refrained from murdering him intends to keep him forever.
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iirc this is the state that likes doing lethal injections but the companies that produce the chemicals necessary do not want to do business with them and so they source "similar" chemicals from seedier sources.
I don't think we should kill people and I don't think life without parole should exist as an option, but since that's not the world we live in I think it should be the responsibility of the governor of the state to kill the person by their hand. And also we shouldn't be doing this nazi "scientific" bullshit, 2 shots to the back of the head.
Text: BREAKING: Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt GRANTS clemency for death row inmate Julius Jones, sparing him from execution. His sentence is commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Source: Dillon Richards is a reporter for OKC ABC affiliate KOCO
Holy shit. Oklahoma governor and reverse mortgage telemarketing scam made flesh Kevin Stitt has cancelled his afternoon plans to torture a probably-innocent man to death via pre-botched lethal injection.
Absolutely no credit attaches to him here, as he did everything in the cruelest fashion right up to the last possible moment and also he tortured another man to death via pre-botched lethal injection less than a month ago.
He slug-slimed his way over the lowest possible moral bar and everything has been in such a state of stomach-cramping vile inevitability around here that the relief is palpable and shameful. The best news of the day is that a probably-innocent man is still in a cage where the man who begrudgingly refrained from murdering him intends to keep him forever.
Good state, great country, cool system.
Oklahoma,. surprising to me, is the most hostile , racist violent state that is against Original Natives Americans and used slaved Black people , as a free from paying, subdivision of the U.S. Army, to continue the Indian Removal Genocide act.
Not surprising. Both Natives Americans and then as a revenge against the Blacks for joining with Natives, "Rosewood" (Tulsa White riots.) Happened right at Reconstruction, Oklahoma 's violent history is well entrenched.
iirc this is the state that likes doing lethal injections but the companies that produce the chemicals necessary do not want to do business with them and so they source "similar" chemicals from seedier sources.
I always thought it was weird we use some mix of chemicals that cause someone to die in a slow and painful way that sometimes doesn't work.
Like I could kill anyone in completely painless way just by giving them a ton a morphine and letting them not breath for a couple minutes.
But I guess executing without suffering doesn't get their justice boner hard enough?
iirc this is the state that likes doing lethal injections but the companies that produce the chemicals necessary do not want to do business with them and so they source "similar" chemicals from seedier sources.
I always thought it was weird we use some mix of chemicals that cause someone to die in a slow and painful way that sometimes doesn't work.
Like I could kill anyone in completely painless way just by giving them a ton a morphine and letting them not breath for a couple minutes.
But I guess executing without suffering doesn't get their justice boner hard enough?
I always wondered why they don't just use a bunch of propofol and dilaudid or fentanyl or something.
iirc this is the state that likes doing lethal injections but the companies that produce the chemicals necessary do not want to do business with them and so they source "similar" chemicals from seedier sources.
I always thought it was weird we use some mix of chemicals that cause someone to die in a slow and painful way that sometimes doesn't work.
Like I could kill anyone in completely painless way just by giving them a ton a morphine and letting them not breath for a couple minutes.
But I guess executing without suffering doesn't get their justice boner hard enough?
Yeah, that was always an additional WTF?! for me in addition to the murder part. Like assisted suicide/euthanasia, whatever you might think of it, is a thing and even legal in some places and they manage probably manage to do that reliably and painless. But no, the "humane" death penalty has to involve a complicated drug cocktail that more or less regularly just keeps people paralyzed but awake while setting their nerves on fire and has them suffocating for prolonged periods of time.
I am reminded of the invention of the electric chair, a painless method of execution, and then it was used for the first time and it was a demented fucking horror show where the guy caught on fire and did not die good and they were like that went great lets do this from now on
The electric chair was the sole means of execution in Florida from 1924 until 2000, when the Florida State Legislature, under pressure from the U.S. Supreme Court, signed lethal injection into law. Although no one has been executed in this manner since 1999, prisoners awaiting execution on Florida's death row may still be electrocuted at their request. It is currently located in Florida State Prison on the outskirts of Starke. It was known for frequent malfunctions in the 1990s, namely in the cases of Jesse Tafero (executed May 4, 1990), Pedro Medina (executed March 25, 1997) and Allen Lee Davis (executed July 8, 1999). Reportedly, six-inch flames shot out of Tafero's head and 12-inch flames shot out of Medina's head, raising the question whether use of the electric chair was "cruel and unusual punishment". After the Medina execution, Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth commented, "People who wish to commit murder, they'd better not do it in the state of Florida because we may have a problem with the electric chair."
It's never actually about painlessness. It's very easy to kill someone quickly and painlessly, you just apply literal tons of force in an instant. A large enough block of metal dropped on their head. A big enough bomb. Etc. But those things make it harder to lie about it being "humane" or "ethical" because they're loud and messy.
It's never actually about painlessness. It's very easy to kill someone quickly and painlessly, you just apply literal tons of force in an instant. A large enough block of metal dropped on their head. A big enough bomb. Etc. But those things make it harder to lie about it being "humane" or "ethical" because they're loud and messy.
A guillotine or bullet to the base of the skull would also work
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Those methods do create a bit of extra work for the mortician, in the case of open casket affairs
I assume that is at least part of the intention of effort towards humane executions (an intention that has had many failures, mind)
The only downside I can apprehend of the Soviet method where you get popped in the back of the head when you arent expecting it is that it does not allow for religious observances which some people feel strongly about
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The only downside I can apprehend of the Soviet method where you get popped in the back of the head when you arent expecting it is that it does not allow for religious observances which some people feel strongly about
You could ask them to prepare and to say when they're ready.
Some might never say that they are ready to be executed? What a shame. Guess we don't execute people anymore.
Yes ideal method given a reality that people are going to get got one way or another if not executing people is on the table I'd advocate for that myself
It's never actually about painlessness. It's very easy to kill someone quickly and painlessly, you just apply literal tons of force in an instant. A large enough block of metal dropped on their head. A big enough bomb. Etc. But those things make it harder to lie about it being "humane" or "ethical" because they're loud and messy.
A guillotine or bullet to the base of the skull would also work
Not sure a guillotine guarantees immediate cessation of consciousness - hence listing methods that definitely 100% destroy the head instantly. The messiness is definitely a bonus from my perspective of "fuck the death penalty" though.
Got a huge increase in cars being driven into protests after Charlottesville, so that would have happened regardless of this. This means it'll be even more than that.
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Look at that, now think of every racially charged case, and this fuckmuppet in charge
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Like the complete monster earlier in this thread that put kids in jail for a crime that doesn't exist?
God foreign countries are just so crazy
Let me reiterate
POLICE KILLING POLICE DOGS!
Accidentally, of course
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
The Chinese government thing is more about an official higher up government decision to kill pets as part of a quarantine procedure instead of the in the moment decision American cops make to just kill dogs because they feel like it and they won't get punished for it regardless of what the any officials outside of the cops want
The latter is not remotely better, but I don't think the comparison is that good even though they are both the "government"
Just a reminder that in the US, the government (as official policy, not a side-effect of police recklessness) does kill tons of dogs every year for essentially no reason, other than their appearance.
It's nakedly propaganda and manufacturing consent for military action.
lololol what kind of 1984 hellscape is China with this giant statue of Mao? Anyway, here’s the Lincoln Memorial.
(Tweet put in spoiler tags because of picture of a dog with visible injuries.)
Of course, the police officer lied in his report about the threat that the dogs posed, but that wasn't why the qualified immunity argument was rejected. No, it was that the courts found it unreasonable that he would have perceived the dogs acting in a friendly manner (even after one of them had been shot!) as a threat.
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Text: BREAKING: Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt GRANTS clemency for death row inmate Julius Jones, sparing him from execution. His sentence is commuted to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Source: Dillon Richards is a reporter for OKC ABC affiliate KOCO
Holy shit. Oklahoma governor and reverse mortgage telemarketing scam made flesh Kevin Stitt has cancelled his afternoon plans to torture a probably-innocent man to death via pre-botched lethal injection.
Absolutely no credit attaches to him here, as he did everything in the cruelest fashion right up to the last possible moment and also he tortured another man to death via pre-botched lethal injection less than a month ago.
He slug-slimed his way over the lowest possible moral bar and everything has been in such a state of stomach-cramping vile inevitability around here that the relief is palpable and shameful. The best news of the day is that a probably-innocent man is still in a cage where the man who begrudgingly refrained from murdering him intends to keep him forever.
Good state, great country, cool system.
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medical personnel can take part, they just risk losing their licensing because they are actively killing a person
fair enough!
Oklahoma,. surprising to me, is the most hostile , racist violent state that is against Original Natives Americans and used slaved Black people , as a free from paying, subdivision of the U.S. Army, to continue the Indian Removal Genocide act.
Not surprising. Both Natives Americans and then as a revenge against the Blacks for joining with Natives, "Rosewood" (Tulsa White riots.) Happened right at Reconstruction, Oklahoma 's violent history is well entrenched.
I always thought it was weird we use some mix of chemicals that cause someone to die in a slow and painful way that sometimes doesn't work.
Like I could kill anyone in completely painless way just by giving them a ton a morphine and letting them not breath for a couple minutes.
But I guess executing without suffering doesn't get their justice boner hard enough?
I always wondered why they don't just use a bunch of propofol and dilaudid or fentanyl or something.
Yeah, that was always an additional WTF?! for me in addition to the murder part. Like assisted suicide/euthanasia, whatever you might think of it, is a thing and even legal in some places and they manage probably manage to do that reliably and painless. But no, the "humane" death penalty has to involve a complicated drug cocktail that more or less regularly just keeps people paralyzed but awake while setting their nerves on fire and has them suffocating for prolonged periods of time.
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A guillotine or bullet to the base of the skull would also work
I assume that is at least part of the intention of effort towards humane executions (an intention that has had many failures, mind)
You could ask them to prepare and to say when they're ready.
Some might never say that they are ready to be executed? What a shame. Guess we don't execute people anymore.
Not sure a guillotine guarantees immediate cessation of consciousness - hence listing methods that definitely 100% destroy the head instantly. The messiness is definitely a bonus from my perspective of "fuck the death penalty" though.
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I can't say I'm surprised, but still, fuck this.