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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/YOInYwP8-Es

    Bad cops cross with bad agent

    God that's so fucking stressful. There are a lot of problems with police that are inherent to the idea or go way back but I don't understand how basically in my lifetime they've been allowed to turn into these incredibly paranoid lunatics that believe that every interaction with the public has their life on the line.

    They're as vulnerable to Fear Culture as anyone else, I guess

    It's more than that. David Grossman is a figure that looms large over modern policing. His "Killology Research Group" has since like the 90's been working to instill a culture of othering and dehumanizing that has alter the already racist, cruel and abusive police system. He teaches them to be afraid of any interaction with the public. That any situation could turn into a deadly encounter. That police before where too unwilling to kill and that this valuing of human life caused a lot of cops to die. He teaches that There are only two kinds of people. The sheep and the wolves. That cops are the sheepdogs protecting the sheep.

    In short he is a fucking lunatic and has made cops worse in every way.

    Actual video of Grossman giving one of his "training" talks.



    There are more in the thread. He is a monster who works very hard to create more monsters.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    What gets me about the mall image passed around is that the white teen has the police woman is pratically cuddling in his lap.

    Video doesnt show that but she was basically tender with him before jumping down and putting a knee to the other teen

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    DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    What gets me about the mall image passed around is that the white teen has the police woman is pratically cuddling in his lap.

    Video doesnt show that but she was basically tender with him before jumping down and putting a knee to the other teen

    Yeah she sat him down and basically made sure he didn't need medical attention

    Then saw her partner physically assaulting a black kid and didn't want to miss out.

    Fucked ALL up

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    Here me out...this might be a radical idea... but seeing as people in and recently out of prison pay taxes.... they should not be forbidden from voting?

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    Mr FuzzbuttMr Fuzzbutt Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    Here me out...this might be a radical idea... but seeing as people in and recently out of prison pay taxes.... they should not be forbidden from voting?

    Taxes shouldn't have anything to do with whether or not you're able to vote.

    The only things that should matter are:
    1. You're a citizen of the country.
    2. You're old enough.

    If those conditions are met, you should be able to vote.

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    TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    From those tweets on Grossman:
    Dave Grossman teaches police they are “the royalty of this land,” “the nobility,” “the samurai” administering justice with the sword.

    The samurai class was gradually abolished by the Japanese government because having feudal nobilty with so much individual authority above the law was very much on the way of actually running a country with a modern police and military forces.

    Which says it all, doesn't it?

    (And for not wanting to be on the hook for all the government stipends they got, but still).

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    The samurai comparison is actually kind of app because people want to praise all the kickass isolated moment and ignore the numerous assholes those legends had to kill

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    It bears mentioning that David 'Killology' Grossman, while an Army and police veteran, has never been in combat

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    I thought this many times but it's rather appropriate that every samurai, wuxia, cowboy story, and everything else in that vein typically involve corrupt law men or corrupt governments.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    From those tweets on Grossman:
    Dave Grossman teaches police they are “the royalty of this land,” “the nobility,” “the samurai” administering justice with the sword.

    The samurai class was gradually abolished by the Japanese government because having feudal nobilty with so much individual authority above the law was very much on the way of actually running a country with a modern police and military forces.

    Which says it all, doesn't it?

    (And for not wanting to be on the hook for all the government stipends they got, but still).

    The samurai were also bureaucrats for far longer in their historical legacy than they were warriors. They were also, from my understanding, the most corrupt caste in human history. Someone can correct me if that's wrong, of course.

    So, yeah, comparing cops to samurai seems pretty accurate.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    I'm not sure about *most* corrupt (not sure how you would directly compare that) but yes they were absolutely crazy corrupt and rarely (if ever) actually lived by the ethos that they were happy to let people attribute to them

    so yes samurai were 100% cops (sadly the people who decided to get rid of them were also cops, so they were enshrined as anti-cops as the years went on)

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2022
    I just know that the pokemon move "Night Slash" is named after a Japanese idiom roughly meaning "crossroads killing" referring to samurai who would lay in wait and cut down random passerbys in order to test the sharpness of their blade
    Tsujigiri​Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬 tsuji-giri, literally 'crossroads killing') is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana sword or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by, in many cases during nighttime.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Major thing to remember with samurai, like cowboys, is that a lot of the cultural dogma about them was written way after the fact. I don't have the numbers with me right now but I'm pretty sure the bushido code was written in a completely different Imperial Imperial era compared to their heyday.

    But focusing on cowboys, Consider how many stories focused on Gun battles versus shitting yourself to death, alone and miles away from friends and family

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    MidniteMidnite Registered User regular


    TW

    Multiple people have been shot at normandale park. Tonight there was supposed to be a protest in portland to honor Amir Locke. The shots were fired at the meet up location before the march even took off. More info to come. Plz check on your comrades

    Medics and motorcade seemed targeted. Not confirmed, but I’m told 6 were shot and 1 possible death.

    (Alissa Azar is an independent journalist based in Portland)

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    what nostradamus could have foreseen this outcome after rittenhouse? fuckin a man

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    what nostradamus could have foreseen this outcome after rittenhouse? fuckin a man

    Zebras vs horses

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Samurai were tools of the landed gentry, with all the bullshit that comes with that system, and were as fond of buying their own hype and sniffing their own farts as pretty much anybody else who was ever in a position of power in such a system anywhere in the world.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    And now that I think about it, the honor hype was a bunch of bullshit, considering day betrayed their brothers and their lords constantly. Hell, Japan turned out the way it did because of all the betraying.

    Ninjas, surprisingly, were loyal even when it was a pain in the ass.

    Need to watch cowboy movies that deconstruct the cowboy myth.

    Returning to black people

    Bass Reeves

    https://youtu.be/-h8hg4_R22Y

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    TefTef Registered User regular
    @RoyceSraphim did you ever listen to the podcast, Black Cowboys? That’s where I learnt about Bass Reeves. What a fuckin badass

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    Is that Jaleel White?

    I wonder what that guy is up to.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    That mustache

    514px-BassReeves.jpg

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Tef wrote: »
    RoyceSraphim did you ever listen to the podcast, Black Cowboys? That’s where I learnt about Bass Reeves. What a fuckin badass

    Nah, i do not do podcasts. Too much work

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    facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    “I was completely defenseless,” Reeves said.

    WELL OBVIOUSLY FUCKING NOT YOU PRICK.

    "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
    Real strong, facetious.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular

    The wave of Stand Your Ground laws passed has probably led to an 11% increase in homicides, according to research done by the Associated Press.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited March 2022
    So, about the Black woman who got sentenced to six years in prison for registering to vote after being told she could register to vote?

    You'll never guess what the very same prosecutor who brought the charges against her just did!

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Well, color me shocked.

    Or don't, I might not make it out of the US alive if I ever visit in the future.

    Children's rights are human rights.
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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    Well, in a change of pace, here’s a story about a “corrupt” cop getting fired.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fort-lauderdale-police-chief-larry-scirotto-fired-over-minority-first-practices-in-hiring-and-promotions-report-says/ar-AAUFF78?ocid=NL_ENUS_A1_00010101_1_1&bep_ref=1&bep_csid=43728

    Some excerpts:

    The investigation concluded that during his time as police chief, Scirotto implemented an approach to hiring and promotion that was unfairly focused on minority candidates.

    The report said Scirotto once pointed to a conference room wall displaying photos of the department's command staff and stated, "that wall is too white," and "I'm gonna change that."

    Scirotto told CNN he promoted 15 people from August to November, and of that group, six were ethnic or gender minorities selected for promotions based on their merit.

    "None of them were promoted because they were in a protected class," he said. "They were promoted because they were the best candidates."


    Scirotto also provided WFOR with what he said was context for his comments about the wall being "too white."

    "The bottom row had several white males and one white female. And we're talking in conversation as it relates to our community and the expectation of a diverse and inclusive organization. And how do I purport we have that when the entire bottom row are white men?" Scirotto told WFOR.

    Ah, see… they sure can clean up the force when they want to.

    /s

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    minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field njRegistered User regular
    edited March 2022
    Well, I mean, jeez, we can’t allow a third of promotions to be minorities! That’s just crazy talk.

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    Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited March 2022
    You see, while Fort Lauderdale has a 32% Black population, only 15% of the police force there is Black.

    So expecting a ratio of officers being promoted based on the demographics of the general population is just unrealistic. [/sarcasm]

    (I can't find the statistics on the percentage of White police officers in Fort Lauderdale, but I assume it's higher than the general demographics in Fort Lauderdale, too.)

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    So, about the Black woman who got sentenced to six years in prison for registering to vote after being told she could register to vote?

    You'll never guess what the very same prosecutor who brought the charges against her just did!


    This makes me want to break things

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Who among us has not wanted to punch a customer in the face after they berate and demean employees.

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    It should be perfectly legal to punch an old white fucker in the face if they use the N word.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Who among us has not wanted to punch a customer in the face after they berate and demean employees.

    One of the benefits of my job being union is that I don't have to take anyone's shit if they try to disrespect me for not kowtowing to their petty tyranny.

    "I want to change the entire arrangement of this presentation space before I do mine."

    "The space is what you get. The next person has it in this arrangement as well."

    "I don't like that answer."

    "Not my problem. Here's your microphone. Good luck with your presentation."

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    I sympathize with all fast food retailers. Once, a customer tried to tip a coffee machine onto me, spilling hot coffee all over, and sending glass coffee pots to the floor. Thankfully, no burns, much to my amazement. This being the midnight shift, I called the cops so that I would have a report for any damages for management. I was giving a statement to the cops, when the morning manager came in, looked at the puddle of coffee and broken glass, then the cop and said to me, ‘You’re gonna clean that up, right?’

    Quite possibly the rare instance where the presence of a cop PREVENTED a murder.

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    sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    sarukun wrote: »

    Hell, if he was white, they would've acquitted him for acting in self-defense.

    Children's rights are human rights.
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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    edited March 2022
    Man I wonder how far we are from a person using a stand your ground law in response to being called a racial slur or homophobic slur or something. Sure seems like people have gotten away with worse.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Man I wonder how far we are from a person using a stand your ground law in response to being called a racial slur or homophobic slur or something. Sure seems like people have gotten away with worse.

    You mean successfully? Hahaha, good one. It doesn't even work for women who defended themselves from abusers with a documented history of violence.

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