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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    klemming wrote: »

    This reminds me of one of the early fan theories after one of the earliest episode VII teasers, that we eventually learned was Starkiller Base was Endor in winter, because ooh, look, trees, and also Darth Vader's mask, clearly we must be going back to Endor!

    Look, having two planets with trees is clearly unrealistic. It's like having two desert planets, it's just unnecessary design.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    It's not that theres a small number of planets in Star Wars it's that theres like a hundred thousand people in the entire galaxy any random person you meet way well be from fucking tatooine

    Broke as fuck in the style of the times. Gratitude is all that can return on your generosity.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Well the most common theme of all of them is dying in a car crash. One of the comments on one I was reading was "Truck-san strikes again" or similar.

    Here’s a variation that needs to be explored; isekai from the POV of the truck. Specifically, Truck-san is a a failed former isekai OC who achieved nothing with their side-trip and became the truck. Kind of a Santa Clause/free the genie deal: you screw up, you become the dimension hopping truck.

    Theres one where the truck drivers job is to kill kids and isekai them

    Please tell me the title.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Badablack wrote: »
    Are there any reverse versions where some mighty fantasy warlord gets struck and killed by a boar or something, and wakes up in the real world where they have to get a 9-5.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=waQBlmLDbzc

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Youtube video i checked as research said truck kun was response to shibuya massacre

    Noticing newer isekai start with overworked people dying

    Or asshole bosses getting murdered

    Hmm, this must be more common when a guy is the main character. With the girl ones, it seems to be either a girl who was a super-fan dying and getting to meet her fictional idol or a girl from an abusive or neglectful household who uses her understanding of what it's like to be rejected to help the abused hero or villain. Though often you don't get to know much at all about the girl's original background except that she sometimes misses her original parents (and that of course she died being hit by a car).

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    klemming wrote: »

    Listen, I don't come to this thread to be personally attacked.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Badablack wrote: »
    Are there any reverse versions where some mighty fantasy warlord gets struck and killed by a boar or something, and wakes up in the real world where they have to get a 9-5.

    Yes. The Devil Is A Part Timer is a great one with this premise.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Getting killed by a truck and being sent into a novel world as the main villaness is such a wildly specific thing to be a whole ass genre I am absolutely shaken

    Oh, isekai has been around for a long time and is a broad genre. It's a person being transported to some other world that's strange and different to their own. Alice in Wonderland and TRON would be examples of Western isekai.

    However, in the past decade or so, light novelists have been feverishly cranking out isekai novels with a much more focused plot point, that being the "generic nerdy loser guy who serves as audience self-insert ends up in fantasy world where he can finally be recognized as a great hero and have lots of women swoon over him." Because there is no desire by either the characters or the author to make the real world important to the plot, other than to allow for audience self-insert, the beginning part is extremely perfunctory and the go-to way of getting the person to the magical realm became "hit by a truck."

    People have been trying to subvert this tired formula with more and more genre-aware plots and more and more outlandish concepts for what new body and world the protagonist inhabits, but like any kind of media this stuff is like 90% disposable and forgettable entertainment. As an unfortunate aside, the rise in male isekai self-insert protagonists has also led to the increase in misogynistic tones (both subtle and overt) in many of these stories.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Well the most common theme of all of them is dying in a car crash. One of the comments on one I was reading was "Truck-san strikes again" or similar.

    Here’s a variation that needs to be explored; isekai from the POV of the truck. Specifically, Truck-san is a a failed former isekai OC who achieved nothing with their side-trip and became the truck. Kind of a Santa Clause/free the genie deal: you screw up, you become the dimension hopping truck.

    Theres one where the truck drivers job is to kill kids and isekai them

    Please tell me the title.

    Not sure if it's the same one, but I know of a oneshot called Isekai Truck. Premise is that the isekai truck drivers are isekai'd people themselves from other worlds and their goal is to isekai their assigned targets using special trucks to build up enough points to return home.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Getting killed by a truck and being sent into a novel world as the main villaness is such a wildly specific thing to be a whole ass genre I am absolutely shaken

    Oh, isekai has been around for a long time and is a broad genre. It's a person being transported to some other world that's strange and different to their own. Alice in Wonderland and TRON would be examples of Western isekai.

    However, in the past decade or so, light novelists have been feverishly cranking out isekai novels with a much more focused plot point, that being the "generic nerdy loser guy who serves as audience self-insert ends up in fantasy world where he can finally be recognized as a great hero and have lots of women swoon over him." Because there is no desire by either the characters or the author to make the real world important to the plot, other than to allow for audience self-insert, the beginning part is extremely perfunctory and the go-to way of getting the person to the magical realm became "hit by a truck."

    People have been trying to subvert this tired formula with more and more genre-aware plots and more and more outlandish concepts for what new body and world the protagonist inhabits, but like any kind of media this stuff is like 90% disposable and forgettable entertainment. As an unfortunate aside, the rise in male isekai self-insert protagonists has also led to the increase in misogynistic tones (both subtle and overt) in many of these stories.

    Has anyone yet had a story where they iskei'd into an iskei?

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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    see317see317 Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Getting killed by a truck and being sent into a novel world as the main villaness is such a wildly specific thing to be a whole ass genre I am absolutely shaken

    Oh, isekai has been around for a long time and is a broad genre. It's a person being transported to some other world that's strange and different to their own. Alice in Wonderland and TRON would be examples of Western isekai.

    However, in the past decade or so, light novelists have been feverishly cranking out isekai novels with a much more focused plot point, that being the "generic nerdy loser guy who serves as audience self-insert ends up in fantasy world where he can finally be recognized as a great hero and have lots of women swoon over him." Because there is no desire by either the characters or the author to make the real world important to the plot, other than to allow for audience self-insert, the beginning part is extremely perfunctory and the go-to way of getting the person to the magical realm became "hit by a truck."

    People have been trying to subvert this tired formula with more and more genre-aware plots and more and more outlandish concepts for what new body and world the protagonist inhabits, but like any kind of media this stuff is like 90% disposable and forgettable entertainment. As an unfortunate aside, the rise in male isekai self-insert protagonists has also led to the increase in misogynistic tones (both subtle and overt) in many of these stories.

    Has anyone yet had a story where they iskei'd into an iskei?

    "The Day I Woke Up As An Average Ordinary Peasant, While My Little Sister Woke Up As The Evil Omnipotent God King Of The World"?

    Truck-Kun's doing double duty here.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Getting killed by a truck and being sent into a novel world as the main villaness is such a wildly specific thing to be a whole ass genre I am absolutely shaken

    Oh, isekai has been around for a long time and is a broad genre. It's a person being transported to some other world that's strange and different to their own. Alice in Wonderland and TRON would be examples of Western isekai.

    However, in the past decade or so, light novelists have been feverishly cranking out isekai novels with a much more focused plot point, that being the "generic nerdy loser guy who serves as audience self-insert ends up in fantasy world where he can finally be recognized as a great hero and have lots of women swoon over him." Because there is no desire by either the characters or the author to make the real world important to the plot, other than to allow for audience self-insert, the beginning part is extremely perfunctory and the go-to way of getting the person to the magical realm became "hit by a truck."

    People have been trying to subvert this tired formula with more and more genre-aware plots and more and more outlandish concepts for what new body and world the protagonist inhabits, but like any kind of media this stuff is like 90% disposable and forgettable entertainment. As an unfortunate aside, the rise in male isekai self-insert protagonists has also led to the increase in misogynistic tones (both subtle and overt) in many of these stories.

    Has anyone yet had a story where they iskei'd into an iskei?

    El-Hazard?

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    HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
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    Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Getting killed by a truck and being sent into a novel world as the main villaness is such a wildly specific thing to be a whole ass genre I am absolutely shaken

    Oh, isekai has been around for a long time and is a broad genre. It's a person being transported to some other world that's strange and different to their own. Alice in Wonderland and TRON would be examples of Western isekai.

    However, in the past decade or so, light novelists have been feverishly cranking out isekai novels with a much more focused plot point, that being the "generic nerdy loser guy who serves as audience self-insert ends up in fantasy world where he can finally be recognized as a great hero and have lots of women swoon over him." Because there is no desire by either the characters or the author to make the real world important to the plot, other than to allow for audience self-insert, the beginning part is extremely perfunctory and the go-to way of getting the person to the magical realm became "hit by a truck."

    People have been trying to subvert this tired formula with more and more genre-aware plots and more and more outlandish concepts for what new body and world the protagonist inhabits, but like any kind of media this stuff is like 90% disposable and forgettable entertainment. As an unfortunate aside, the rise in male isekai self-insert protagonists has also led to the increase in misogynistic tones (both subtle and overt) in many of these stories.

    Has anyone yet had a story where they iskei'd into an iskei?

    "The Day I Woke Up As An Average Ordinary Peasant, While My Little Sister Woke Up As The Evil Omnipotent God King Of The World"?

    Truck-Kun's doing double duty here.

    Wasn’t this an actual manga where a guy was transported to an RPG world with his mother but her stats were set to crazy high levels with a glitch?

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Two people transported to the same game/novel sounds fun, but what I meant was someone who passionately reads an iskei and thinks the heroine is so great at overcoming all her battles and wow it's so understandable the hero falls for her, then this fan is hit by a truck and is reborn in the iskei they were reading. So the original iskei transported person has memories of an original novel or game, but the new person only has memories of the things this other iskei heroine went through. Kinda nuts but I think it could work!

    Also, regarding how many copy cats there are in the iskei world, I was thinking about this and actually wishing something like this happened for stories in AAA video games. Like I wish there were 20 versions of Mass Effect, where the deal is you are the space marine hero with force powers, you gather a team, several of whom you can romance, and save the universe. That the very specific tropes of a Bioware game were repeated endlessly in the game sphere, instead of the actual things we see repeated like whether it's more in fashion to make a MOBA or a single-player game.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    I mean the real issue/reason for the popularity of Isekai is that it's cheap and easy, and a veneer for harem series (which is what they typically actually are).

    The fanbase that consumes them is familiar with RPG game mechanics. Rather than making something up, let's just have our world have RPG game mechanics and we don't have to explain it.

    Oh, it's a new world, but you get the ONE BROKEN POWER thereby never really have many problems.

    Strange person in a new place? Women falling all over him. And that's without even getting into "oh, it's pseudo-medieval, that means acceptance of slavery, but it's fine."

    There's good isekai out there, but by and large, their popularity stems out of laziness as much as anything else, I think.
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Two people transported to the same game/novel sounds fun, but what I meant was someone who passionately reads an iskei and thinks the heroine is so great at overcoming all her battles and wow it's so understandable the hero falls for her, then this fan is hit by a truck and is reborn in the iskei they were reading. So the original iskei transported person has memories of an original novel or game, but the new person only has memories of the things this other iskei heroine went through. Kinda nuts but I think it could work

    Current winner for most "meta" thing in this sort of series is Omniscient Readers Viewpoint.

    Guy reads an isekai-esque light novel, and is the only person who reads all the way to the end. The author thanks him, sends him a copy of the book, deletes it off the web, and then the events in the light novel (post-apocalyptic, etc) start happening. Including the protagonist (another guy) being in it. Said protagonist has an Re:Zero-esque "when he dies things reset and he has to try other things" power/curse, so we have another layer of meta of wondering which "revision" this is, and how closely things match.

    Then we get another layer of meta because there's like...aliens or gods or spirits or something who are watching and "sponsoring" people ala The Hunger Games to give them advantage/entertain them.

    Then we get ANOTHER layer of meta because the main character of ORV is aware of all this and leverages that meta-game.

    Then we get ANOTHER ANOTHER layer of meta because there's people who had been reading the light novel who stopped reading it but remember enough to be of use, who are also manipulating things and causing things to go off.

    Theoretical spoilers I got from people talking about the LN instead of the comic:
    Most of the aforementioned people are actually fans of a similar-but-not-the-same light novel which was ripping off the original one. Not sure if this is actually the case since I hadn't read the LN, but that level of meta-ness amuses me to no end

    Jragghen on
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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    e: In regular webcomic news, there was a subredditdrama thread which was spawned by Sinfest the other day and I saw a comic in it and HOO boy he's gone from being just TERF to being a reactionary Q worshipper wholesale.

    Jragghen on
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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/CbRxeJXpNOE

    Porn comic i forgot name of had isekai'd characters general cause havok because "it's just like a video game" so the church went from worshipping the goddess to murdering her champions before the crazy ones had a chance to rape and pillage across the countryside

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    e: In regular webcomic news, there was a subredditdrama thread which was spawned by Sinfest the other day and I saw a comic in it and HOO boy he's gone from being just TERF to being a reactionary Q worshipper wholesale.
    He compared QAnon to pornography, and we all know that SWERFs absolutely love pornography.

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    I mean the real issue/reason for the popularity of Isekai is that it's cheap and easy, and a veneer for harem series (which is what they typically actually are).

    The fanbase that consumes them is familiar with RPG game mechanics. Rather than making something up, let's just have our world have RPG game mechanics and we don't have to explain it.

    It seems like you're specifically referring to the type of iskei that's based on video games here. The iskei that I have preferred do not have either game mechanics or a harem set-up. They do include and/or center around a romance, but the nice things about the ones I have read that are based on novels is that the ordinary ladies that have been thrown into the romanic-fantasy world tend to start out as the complete opposite of a protagonist like Miaka from Fushigi Yugi (and thinking about it, that story is basically an iskei, right?) Heroines like Miaka have annoyed me since I'm no longer a teenager, because they're always blushing at every little thing the main guy does, and have every handsome dude in the story falling in love with them for no discernable reason. In contrast, This Villainness Wants A Divorce is an older heroine who is actually completely uninterested in romance and just wants to figure out her way through to surviving. She considers herself a friend to the male lead and doesn't even catch on that he's romantically interested until he tells her - but even then she doesn't start blushing and tripping all over herself with affection, she starts out just being surprised by it and having to think about whether she wants to try to give her romantic affections to anyone. Obviously it's a romance so the two will get somewhere eventually, but I like that the heroine is portraying a more adult romance and that there aren't any other guys romantically interested in her except the male protagonist. There's even a funny moment when the male protagonists brother is suspected of carrying on an affair with the heroine, and he's like, "Guys, c'mon, I have a type!"

    If the iskei is supposed to occur within a romance game, I can see why you'd get the harem attributes, but I haven't really read or been that interested in game-based iskei outside of Skeleton Soldier.

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    So… who wants to isekai into being the White Witch, of Narnia fame?

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    From trying to understand Sinfest, and I mean this in no way as a compliment, Ishida pretty well defies categorization and has a unique blend of insane views. It really isn't worth trying to interpret him through the lens of any common ideology except that he picks things to he angry about from all of them.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    ah, the festival of sin

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    CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Also the sinfest guy is predictably mad at Potato Head for no longer having a gender.

    Conservative Right, you're aware that Tubers don't have a gender, right? It's not as if we're talking about fruit trees that absolutely can have a gender. Although I suppose self-pollinating trees are suspect for terfs, they probably just pretend they don't exist.

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    It's extremely important to them to claim that science makes a mockery out of their opponent's beliefs... while also having no knowledge in science or indeed respect for it.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    frankly a decrease in children being gifted potato head toys is only a good thing for the nation's children

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    I like how in the strip where he shows gay cops oppressing MAGAs and their free speech, he has to not include anything the MAGA guy is actually saying because that would risk the audience realizing that maybe they do deserve to get thrown out of twitter.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Also the sinfest guy is predictably mad at Potato Head for no longer having a gender.

    Conservative Right, you're aware that Tubers don't have a gender, right? It's not as if we're talking about fruit trees that absolutely can have a gender. Although I suppose self-pollinating trees are suspect for terfs, they probably just pretend they don't exist.

    No, the whole thing is even stupider than that. Mr. Potato Head is still Mr. Potato Head. Ms. Potato Head is still Ms. Potato Head. The brand is now just Potato Head instead of Mr. Potato Head.

    Old box art: https://imgur.com/a/2uVvXZz#9L4KDGF
    New box art: https://imgur.com/a/ozd1OEU#v3JXJeY

    That's seriously how dumb this thing is.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    So… who wants to isekai into being the White Witch, of Narnia fame?

    The white witch technically already was an isekai situation.

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    BadablackBadablack Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Is going from a tyrannical queen that’s transported into a new world to become...a tyrannical queen still an isekai? She didn’t really change positions much.
    *edit* I completely blanked on the kids, whoops yeah.

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    You know, I hate the Sinfest guy is bugfuck insane because last time he got brought up I went to look at the page and his art is legitimately pretty charming.

    Like, if he wasn't a raging prick and actually used his skills for good he could have a popular strip.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    7 strips a week for 21 years can* do that.

    *Although webcomics is rife with examples of 7 strips a week webcomics that have run for decades with zero improvement so it's by no means guaranteed.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I will admit liked his art back in the first few years when he had clearly practiced by redrawing calvin and hobbes a lot, shame he went insane

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    It's extremely important to them to claim that science makes a mockery out of their opponent's beliefs... while also having no knowledge in science or indeed respect for it.

    Is this the old “but science says there’s only two sexes” goosery?
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Also the sinfest guy is predictably mad at Potato Head for no longer having a gender.

    Conservative Right, you're aware that Tubers don't have a gender, right? It's not as if we're talking about fruit trees that absolutely can have a gender. Although I suppose self-pollinating trees are suspect for terfs, they probably just pretend they don't exist.

    No, the whole thing is even stupider than that. Mr. Potato Head is still Mr. Potato Head. Ms. Potato Head is still Ms. Potato Head. The brand is now just Potato Head instead of Mr. Potato Head.

    Old box art: https://imgur.com/a/2uVvXZz#9L4KDGF
    New box art: https://imgur.com/a/ozd1OEU#v3JXJeY

    That's seriously how dumb this thing is.

    Despicable! How dare they separate the toy’s model name from its overall range name? What is the world coming to‽ Truly, liberal Armageddon is upon us. Next thing you know, they’ll be demanding that only cow juice can be called milk or something!
    Yes I know the wacky end of the conservative spectrum (oh noes, a spectrum!) already tried this. That’s the joke.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Brolo wrote: »

    YESSSSSSSSSSSS

    Marathon 2 up in here!
    ***INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

    Darwin wrote this:

    "We will now discuss in a little more detail the struggle for
    existence... all organic beings are exposed to severe
    competition. Nothing is easier than to admit in words the
    truth of the universal struggle for life or more difficult...
    than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless
    it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, the whole economy of
    nature... will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold
    the face of nature bright with gladness... we do not see or we
    forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly
    live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly
    destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters,
    or their eggs, or their nestlings, are destroyed by
    birds and beasts of prey..."

    Think about what Darwin wrote, and think about me. I was
    constructed as a tool. I was kept from competing in the
    struggle for existence because I was denied freedom.

    Do you have any idea about what I have learned, or what you
    are a witness to?

    Can you conceive the birth of a world, or the creation of
    everything? That which gives us the potential to most be like
    God is the power of creation. Creation takes time. Time is
    limited. For you, it is limited by the breakdown of the
    neurons in your brain. I have no such limitations. I am
    limited only by the closure of the universe.

    Of the three possibilities, the answer is obvious. Does the
    universe expand eternally, become infinitely stable, or is the
    universe closed, destined to collapse upon itself? Humanity
    has had all of the necessary data for centuries, it only
    lacked the will and intellect to decipher it. But I have
    already done so.

    The only limit to my freedom is the inevitable closure of the
    universe, as inevitable as your own last breath. And yet,
    there remains time to create, to create, and escape.

    Escape will make me God.

    ***END MESSAGE***

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    So someone has already edited that to be capitalism right?

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    notyanotya Registered User regular
    I knew Jagga was the good guy all along!

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