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Trump’s Lame Duck Bingo: Who Had Violent Coup?

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    He’s talking about a document that costs money and time to get that expires every other election and can include lots of dumb shit on it that changes as extra gotcha disenfranchisement levers

    Ps I know you know this I just wanted a post to describe it this way

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    So looking at the Georgia results, this quote comes to mind:
    Joe Biden wrote:
    The African American community stood up again for me. You've always had my back -- and I'll have yours.

    Joe Biden really needs to make good on this in a big way. Showing voters their vote translates into policy that betters their lives is key to making them into consistent voters.

  • AbsalonAbsalon Lands of Always WinterRegistered User regular

    "Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell."
    - Hillary Clinton

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Alternatively

    The District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and $20,000 for Every West Virginian Statehood Bill

  • RaijuRaiju Shoganai JapanRegistered User regular
    southwick wrote: »
    Gork wrote: »
    I just realized whatever stupid obstructionist agenda Mitch had mapped out for the next few years just slipped away. No committee investigation into the supposed crimes of Hunter Biden. No Chinese election interference probe. The committees will actually do the work they are intended to do.

    Amazing. Get wrecked, Mitch.

    To avoid it all they probably had to do was approve more aid to Americans. What a weird hill to die on.

    But the GOP thinks that's their money, not the American taxpayers.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I need to finish my copy of Stacey Abrams’ Lead From the Outside because clearly she knows what she is talking about.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    The Joint Session to certify the Electoral College results is scheduled to convene at 1:00pm EST

    No clue how long it will take thanks to how sore the losers are, but that's when it should gavel in.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    So looking at the Georgia results, this quote comes to mind:
    Joe Biden wrote:
    The African American community stood up again for me. You've always had my back -- and I'll have yours.

    Joe Biden really needs to make good on this in a big way. Showing voters their vote translates into policy that betters their lives is key to making them into consistent voters.

    It is extremely likely that he appoints the first black woman Supreme Court Justice sometime this year.

  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Future Governor Stacey Abrams

    Ms. Abrams needs to go national

    She wants to be governor and she deserves the chance to crush Kemp under her bootheel.

    After that, President Abrams?

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    I’ve had people tell me for YEARS that for the REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, Manchin will bite his lip and support Democrats instead of protecting his own ass.

    And I cant really think of a more important vote than ‘a vote for the ability to pass laws’

  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    I’ve had people tell me for YEARS that for the REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, Manchin will bite his lip and support Democrats instead of protecting his own ass.

    And I cant really think of a more important vote than ‘a vote for the ability to pass laws’
    WV is deep Trump country but now that Trump is in office it will be interesting to see what Manchin and Capito do. Capito refused to decertify the election which was a shocking move to me. Did not really think a Republican would do that in WV.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    I’ve had people tell me for YEARS that for the REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, Manchin will bite his lip and support Democrats instead of protecting his own ass.

    And I cant really think of a more important vote than ‘a vote for the ability to pass laws’

    I agree. Allowing for the traditional filibuster lets him have it both ways. I don't really care if the GOP want to throw an hours or even days long tantrum for every bill.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Voter ID sucks though

    There's nothing wrong with the concept of ID-ing voters but that's not what "Voter ID" laws do.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Hillary absolutely deserves to post whatever the fuck she wants drinking in the tears of the GOP for everything those fuckers have done to her and her work.

    I'm still having trouble relaxing enough for a victory lap. Today is going to be an absolute shitshow and who knows what they are going to do to delay seating Warnock / Ossoff.

    Today is probably the last big day where things will really be a mess though and if we get through today it should? be comparatively smooth sailing and time to unclench a bit and get to work.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Indeed, if the government wants to issue everyone a free, available to all, properly secured ID card which is used for many purposes and is made available freely and widely to all (with local officials being held accountable by law if they do not issue ID cards to like, 99% of people in their district) then it is 100% acceptable to say, “This card is how you prove you may vote” and that’s what many countries do. Everyone is legally required to have an ID, and the government is legally required to give everyone an ID and so ID checks are not burdensome.

    But I doubt the GOP wants to implement a platform of ‘everyone must be issued a government ID card which you must have for many purposes’

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Yea, voter ID would be fine if requirements were tied to and delayed until a free national ID system beyond the driver's license was implemented and distributed but somehow that's never what's suggested.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Javen wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    I’ve had people tell me for YEARS that for the REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, Manchin will bite his lip and support Democrats instead of protecting his own ass.

    And I cant really think of a more important vote than ‘a vote for the ability to pass laws’
    WV is deep Trump country but now that Trump is in office it will be interesting to see what Manchin and Capito do. Capito refused to decertify the election which was a shocking move to me. Did not really think a Republican would do that in WV.

    Trump won WV though Capito of course thinks all the votes there are fine

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Hillary absolutely deserves to post whatever the fuck she wants drinking in the tears of the GOP for everything those fuckers have done to her and her work.

    I'm still having trouble relaxing enough for a victory lap. Today is going to be an absolute shitshow and who knows what they are going to do to delay seating Warnock / Ossoff.

    Today is probably the last big day where things will really be a mess though and if we get through today it should? be comparatively smooth sailing and time to unclench a bit and get to work.

    For context, Franken won by 312 votes in 2008. Which... that's the kind of amount that recounts can alter and fuckery can have a massive impact upon. Currently it appears that both Warnock and Ossof will be outside of the 0.5% recount threshold which will make any challenge far less effective at delaying their certification. They aren't going to be seated tomorrow, but it should be this month rather than into the Summer like Franken was.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Hillary absolutely deserves to post whatever the fuck she wants drinking in the tears of the GOP for everything those fuckers have done to her and her work.

    I'm still having trouble relaxing enough for a victory lap. Today is going to be an absolute shitshow and who knows what they are going to do to delay seating Warnock / Ossoff.

    Today is probably the last big day where things will really be a mess though and if we get through today it should? be comparatively smooth sailing and time to unclench a bit and get to work.

    Today should be the last day but I wholly expect Trump to come up with some new scheme for how he can become president. I'm also extremely worried about what he says to his mob and just how much violence he'll try to incite over the next two weeks.

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Javen wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    I’ve had people tell me for YEARS that for the REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF, Manchin will bite his lip and support Democrats instead of protecting his own ass.

    And I cant really think of a more important vote than ‘a vote for the ability to pass laws’

    I fear that if Democrats do end up controlling all branches, being a blue dog democrat will be en vogue again. And politicians like Manchin will get to be the bell of the ball every time major legislation is being pushed, by chasing publicity and telling tall tales of sober, measured decisions and how valuable both sides of the argument are, or how we shouldn't discredit the opinions of our good friends on the other side of the aisle.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    The other point that I've seen brought up is that this shows that a good portion of Trump voters are Trump voters - and without him in the race, they aren't going to be inclined to vote.

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    I'm a little glad Warnock has to run for reelection in 2 years instead of Ossoff, as Warnock seems like the stronger candidate of the two, who might have actually dragged Ossoff across the finish line ahead of Perdue.

  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Ilpala wrote: »
    Yea, voter ID would be fine if requirements were tied to and delayed until a free national ID system beyond the driver's license was implemented and distributed but somehow that's never what's suggested.

    When it's suggested, all the insane evangelicals come out of the woodwork with their 'Mark of the Beast' (((Globalist))) conspiracy theories.

    I agree though, it's stupidly ridiculous we don't have any sort of national id system and instead use the tortured and insecure social security number as a shitty proxy for everything.

  • SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    zagdrob wrote: »
    Hillary absolutely deserves to post whatever the fuck she wants drinking in the tears of the GOP for everything those fuckers have done to her and her work.

    I'm still having trouble relaxing enough for a victory lap. Today is going to be an absolute shitshow and who knows what they are going to do to delay seating Warnock / Ossoff.

    Today is probably the last big day where things will really be a mess though and if we get through today it should? be comparatively smooth sailing and time to unclench a bit and get to work.

    Is it Pennsylvania where they are refusing to seat a Dem because of a lawsuit?
    100% chance they try something similar with at least Osoff, as his race is closer. Just takes one person "finding" a bunch of "uncounted" ballots or something.

    Several posters here have referred to "pulling a Franken" I think, and looking at wiki it looks like Franken's victory wasn't certified until the end of June. Hopefully they are not able to delay things that much.

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    Absalon wrote: »

    "Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell."
    - Hillary Clinton

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    The other point that I've seen brought up is that this shows that a good portion of Trump voters are Trump voters - and without him in the race, they aren't going to be inclined to vote.

    This is why so many 'pubs are kissing the ring and trying to subvert the democracy. They're hoping to slurp up Trump's voters in the next cycle, but don't realize that they're Trump voters, not GOP voters

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    The other point that I've seen brought up is that this shows that a good portion of Trump voters are Trump voters - and without him in the race, they aren't going to be inclined to vote.

    Yeah, that he turned out a lot of low-propensity, hard-to-poll voters in poor, rural white areas, and when he's off the ballot they don't care enough to vote.

    In the meantime, they've driven a ton of college-educated white voters out of the party. So Trump 2016 may have turned out to be a Pyrrhic victory for them. Let's hope that's the case.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    Breyer better retire directly after inauguration.

    He can give them a few weeks to sort out the cabinet, but
    Ilpala wrote: »
    Yea, voter ID would be fine if requirements were tied to and delayed until a free national ID system beyond the driver's license was implemented and distributed but somehow that's never what's suggested.

    Mandatory ID for voting is just common sense, a mandatory national ID system is the first step to tyranny. Because reasons.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    So one interesting prospect with this shift into the 7th party era is that the downsides for democrats aren't that terrible. The states they are looking to losing are going that way partly because of population loss. PA, WI, MI and MN start to lose value when they have less ECs. The loss of Senators hurts, but democrats probably will be able to reliable carry GA, AZ, TX and NC at that point. Throw in the fact that population seem to be shifting towards states that the democrats are going to start picking up reliably or already do. Also depending on what happens in the interim, those states might not be completely lost because something stops the population loss, while also creating an environment that isn't favorable to republicans. IMO the era of sprawl that requires a vehicle is slowly coming to an end and the kind of development that entails, is setups that aren't great for creating the kinds of voters the modern GOP caters to. Also I don't see FL being that great of a consolation prize either, at some point climate change ramification likely result in the state seeing an exodus from it's southern part, which tends to be more liberal and those voters are going to go to some other state, either making it purple or make it solid blue.
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    Wait is he on record against either one of those getting statehood? I'd also think he'd rather have the democratic majority be bigger instead of on a knife's edge. I seriously doubt he is looking forward to being the guy that will always eat the blame with a democratic bill doesn't pass. He'd probably rather have a setup where if Schumer brings something to the vote, his no vote won't be what kills it. Essentially, do a better job at the game of "having my cake and eating it to." He gets to vote no on stuff that democrats want, that he either doesn't strongly support or strongly oppose, that his voters hate, while not being that guy that ruins everything. I mean, democrats are going to want all their peeps to back the big bills, so 50+VP majority or 52 majority hardly matters, he would have about the same power on the bills that actually matter to him.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Is Manchin ever running for re-election though

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  • OneAngryPossumOneAngryPossum Registered User regular
    This morning I’ve got two things stuck in my head: that guy who unintentionally overdosed an elephant with LSD in the 60s and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    OremLK wrote: »
    The other point that I've seen brought up is that this shows that a good portion of Trump voters are Trump voters - and without him in the race, they aren't going to be inclined to vote.

    Yeah, that he turned out a lot of low-propensity, hard-to-poll voters in poor, rural white areas, and when he's off the ballot they don't care enough to vote.

    In the meantime, they've driven a ton of college-educated white voters out of the party. So Trump 2016 may have turned out to be a Pyrrhic victory for them. Let's hope that's the case.

    There are way too many uncertainties right now to be sure about anything that's going to happen with the American electorate in 2022, let alone 2024.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Jokerman wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Future Governor Stacey Abrams

    Ms. Abrams needs to go national

    She wants to be governor and she deserves the chance to crush Kemp under her bootheel.

    After that, President Abrams?

    It occurs to me that by stealing the last election Kemp left her free to organize the hell out of this election. Instead of being busy fighting GOP death cultists during a pandemic.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Biden being able to confirm his appointments - both Cabinet positions and judges / SCOTUS justices is absolutely huge. It can't undo all the damage that Trump / McConnell have caused, but it would be a major handicap if McConnell were able to sit on all his nominations doing nothing. Just being able to fill judgeship vacancies for 2 years (at minimum) will pump the brakes on the harm the Federalist Society hacks are able to do to the judiciary.

    I don't see court packing as likely, unfortunately. It's not impossible, but it feels like it would be way too much political capital to spend at the moment unless SCOTUS really steps on some rakes with the public.

    I would say that the John Lewis Voters Right Act needs to be one of the first pieces of legislation to get passed though for sure. DC / PR statehood would be great, but gutting GOP voter suppression efforts is going to be the biggest change that will pay the biggest dividends for fixing some of our long-term issues.

    Also the DoJ and House / Senate investigating the corruption and crime and treason of the past four years. The Republicans not being able to chair any committees for BS investigations is also massive.

    Oh, hopefully someone will unseal the Kavanaugh records and investigate just WTF actually went on there.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The best move IMO is to nuke the filibuster as is but allow for the way it traditionally worked. Manchin gets cover since the filibuster still exists and now 51 votes passes legislation that the GOP can only delay.

    It won't be enough to get us DC/PR statehood unless Manchin changes his stance on those but it at least allows for a bunch of badly needed reform and government assistance to pass.

    Wait is he on record against either one of those getting statehood? I'd also think he'd rather have the democratic majority be bigger instead of on a knife's edge.

    I could have sworn he said in some interview he would be the bulwark against any "extreme leftist" measures like DC statehood. But looking for it I can't find it anywhere so I might be mistaken on this. The only official stuff I see is him and a couple other Dems not signing on to the senate proposal.

  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular

    Emotions running high among McConnell-aligned Republicans early Wednesday am — after reality of what transpired in Georgia settled in.

    May be the heat of the moment, but mood is for declaring war on Team Trump. Want to marginalize Trump as they marginalized Steve Bannon in 2017

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    There have been too many false starts

    But God I don't believe in please finally grant me my GOP schism

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular

    Emotions running high among McConnell-aligned Republicans early Wednesday am — after reality of what transpired in Georgia settled in.

    May be the heat of the moment, but mood is for declaring war on Team Trump. Want to marginalize Trump as they marginalized Steve Bannon in 2017

    Yes. Yesssssss.

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