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[Second Impeachment] Acquitted of Armed Insurrection | 57 Votes for Guilty
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Like, come on:
Rahkeesh, even though I disagree with them that this was super backwards, at least tried to address the point that was being made, about the anxiety, fear and broken faith that many are feeling from the way the Democrats handled today’s events. While you just decided to brush it off as asinine instead of actually taking folks feelings on this shit seriously
10 more Republican Senators? Not a chance. There aren't enough left after what we got without dipping into 'true believer' territory.
They murdered a cop.
No, unless they killed enough GOP senators to make 'present' more than 2/3.
I sincerely doubt it.
Maybe if Trump had actually marched with them and then personally stood over congress members being killed while cackling madly.
Maybe.
I'd say no not in the slightest.
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"No way I'm voting to convict. I don't want to be next."
That wasn’t “Some people on the internet”
That was a legitimate constitutional question brought up as we were heading into the impeachment, with actual legal scholars addressing the viability.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-explainer-idUSKBN29I356
Not that I have the slightest inkling on how to make that attitude into action right now. I just now that, I need to reach that point and until I do, I won’t be nearly as productive in any meaningful way that counts.
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Well if Chris Coons was my Senator I'd want to support a Primary challenge just for that stupid fucking quote he gave.
They have already been saying this. If a GOP member had been killed, we would be now hearing "were in mourning, this isnt the time for this" and "havent we already paid enough of a price yet?". Some real middle school bullshit 'isnt the hangover punishment enough' for partying
I think we should all take a step back and breathe.
yeah... but thats not the important part, the important part is getting all the testimony on the record and in the news cycle
In other words: Marketing works.
Yet somehow the Democrats repeatedly fail to understand that, nor understand how to market a message.
Ned Stark? more like Renley Baratheon, aimlessly marching the army of justice around in circles and then getting murdered by weirdos who shouldn't be electable
Compared to what you would get instead?
Absofuckinglutely. Trump won by 42 points there in 2016, 39 points in 2020. Without Manchin you have another R senator there,100%.
The least loyal republican senator voted with Trump 89% of the time. 89 is still more than 53, right? And that would be way worse for the country, correct?
There's a level of maturity an recognition of political realities here that is lacking.
Finally, for the "we want them to fight and fail" folks: that is LITERALLY what they just did.
Everyone knew conviction was never going to happen. It was a political risk to do it, the way this country is currently. But they did it anyway. They fought by impeaching him, voting to convict unanimously, and getting 7 of their peers across the the to do the same.
Then when they fail, which is what you say you are looking for and what everyone knew was coming, you roast them for not taking longer to do it without reason?
And as an aside, they got the majority of the Senate to vote to convict. They got an extremely compelling case, for a rational brain, into the historical record. Same with the McCarthy call quote being entered and not contested. And they did it without derailing the first 100 Days by wrapping it up quickly after achieving all the above.
They achieved everything they could have, here. Best to recognize it and move on to working on repairing all the damage the last 8 years caused so we can get another 4 next.
We have literally already had that exact media cycle
Honestly every time the news turned to this topic I'd change it, there was nothing to learn that would be important because the outcome was already known. Nothing but disappointment and anger to it. Like this topic coming up was just an immediate tune out no matter the medium.
The fact that what happened is essentially 'House managers looked into another component of the strategy that they had previously dismissed, decided against it, as they initially decided' makes it difficult to actually comprehend the amount of vitriol pouring in here.
i can understand the argument that the whole thing is a waste of time and they should be focusing on more important things like covid relief, and i can understand that it is important to do the impeachment because it is the right thing to do and it is important to illustrate how bad the republicans are, but I do not understand the middle road where it is important to do the impeachment but not important enough to do it as thoroughly as possible
Better give Fulop his walking papers now
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The thinking, I believe, is that doing it more thoroughly (I.E. calling witnesses and the like) would make the process take a lot longer, further delaying other legislative action, and the additional rigor of that work is unlikely to appreciably move the needle. People paying enough attention who haven't been convinced by the arguments and evidence already presented aren't likely to be convinced or change their mind because of witness testimony they could get, and that in 2 years the difference between doing it that much more thoroughly or not will be far less influential than how quickly they got covid relief and other stuff done, which effects peoples lives more directly, so they're more likely to notice and care. Also, allowing for witnesses means that the Republicans would have the opportunity to call their own witnesses, and potentially give them opportunities to further muddy the waters. Muddied waters usually benefit them, because a lot of people have been taught by the implicit biases and assumptions of many pundits and journalists, and others, that when a situation is confusing and unclear, to side with the Republicans as being more 'honest' than Democrats. Both sides suck, vote Republican and all.
Not to say I necessarily agree with those lines of reasoning, personally I wish they had called witnesses and think it would have made more of a difference than some of them seem to believe, but I can at least see the logic of it.
That's a wrap, folks.