Senior Trump adviser tells @Acosta
Trump is "clueless what any of this means internationally or historically," but Trump has told aides and advisers he does fear what the violence at the Capitol has done to his businesses and "the long-term brand."
What a shock Trump is more worried about losing more money versus you know getting people killed.
Holy fucking shit.
Yeah man who could have predicted running a 3 month long unsuccessful coup attempt culminating in a riot and sack of the capitol building could have a negative effect on your hotel and golf course business.
Senior Trump adviser tells @Acosta
Trump is "clueless what any of this means internationally or historically," but Trump has told aides and advisers he does fear what the violence at the Capitol has done to his businesses and "the long-term brand."
What a shock Trump is more worried about losing more money versus you know getting people killed.
Holy fucking shit.
Yeah man who could have predicted running a 3 month long unsuccessful coup attempt culminating in a riot and sack of the capitol building could have a negative effect on your hotel and golf course business.
You're looking at the priorities of a man who has literally failed his entire life without suffering a single consequence of that failure.
I'm not even sure it's the monetary value of his brand he's worried about. I mean, of course he is, but there's also what his brand is supposed to represent, the take-no-shit successful businessman. That aspect is also shattered.
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The impeachment is for us
The total ruination of his shitty empire of fools gold is for him
I mean, it’s also for us
But he will understand that more than anything else
They weren't even firmly rejected in the 2020 election! It's never going to happen. We have to stop hoping and wishing for it. And we also don't need to be surprised by it every time. That's the status quo for them.
We're not wishing and hoping, we're angry. And letting them off the hook by pretending this shit is acceptable isn't going to help.
They weren't even firmly rejected in the 2020 election! It's never going to happen. We have to stop hoping and wishing for it. And we also don't need to be surprised by it every time. That's the status quo for them.
We're not wishing and hoping, we're angry. And letting them off the hook by pretending this shit is acceptable isn't going to help.
I didn't say let them off the hook. I said stop being surprised that the entire Republican body voted not to impeach. Don't mince my words.
Senior Trump adviser tells @Acosta
Trump is "clueless what any of this means internationally or historically," but Trump has told aides and advisers he does fear what the violence at the Capitol has done to his businesses and "the long-term brand."
What a shock Trump is more worried about losing more money versus you know getting people killed.
Holy fucking shit.
Yeah man who could have predicted running a 3 month long unsuccessful coup attempt culminating in a riot and sack of the capitol building could have a negative effect on your hotel and golf course business.
You're looking at the priorities of a man who has literally failed his entire life without suffering a single consequence of that failure.
So is this the day he finally becomes President, or is that next week?
When he drops dead they should absolutely deny him the right of any sort of state funeral
Presidential Libraries are initially funded by a President's foundation with private donations to the nonprofit. Trump is barred from operating a nonprofit in the State of New York due to fraud. Meaning he can't have his Presidential Library in New York because of a court order acknowledging he defrauded children.
So is this the day he finally becomes President, or is that next week?
When he drops dead they should absolutely deny him the right of any sort of state funeral
Presidential Libraries are initially funded by a President's foundation with private donations to the nonprofit. Trump is barred from operating a nonprofit in the State of New York due to fraud. Meaning he can't have his Presidential Library in New York because of a court order acknowledging he defrauded children.
I hate this only because I have to hope he chooses Florida over New Jersey
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
So is this the day he finally becomes President, or is that next week?
When he drops dead they should absolutely deny him the right of any sort of state funeral
Presidential Libraries are initially funded by a President's foundation with private donations to the nonprofit. Trump is barred from operating a nonprofit in the State of New York due to fraud. Meaning he can't have his Presidential Library in New York because of a court order acknowledging he defrauded children.
He'd put it in Florida anyway, in some tourist trap, and charge an arm and a leg to get the tour of his "accomplishments." I suspect there aren't really even any presidential documents to maintain. And if there were, a good chunk of them would be incriminating.
So is this the day he finally becomes President, or is that next week?
When he drops dead they should absolutely deny him the right of any sort of state funeral
Presidential Libraries are initially funded by a President's foundation with private donations to the nonprofit. Trump is barred from operating a nonprofit in the State of New York due to fraud. Meaning he can't have his Presidential Library in New York because of a court order acknowledging he defrauded children.
I hate this only because I have to hope he chooses Florida over New Jersey
He could try Pennsylvania, but I doubt Wharton wants to be affiliated even more with him.
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Not going to lie, while I'm glad he's Impeached again, seeing that only 10 republicans voted yay, and 197 republicans voted to support domestic terrorism, is a bit of a wet blanket.
Not going to lie, while I'm glad he's Impeached again, seeing that only 10 republicans voted yay, and 197 republicans voted to support domestic terrorism, is a bit of a wet blanket.
That's actually a very large R number for this sort of thing.
It will never not be disappointing that this is our current reality.
I'm not even sure it's the monetary value of his brand he's worried about. I mean, of course he is, but there's also what his brand is supposed to represent, the take-no-shit successful businessman. That aspect is also shattered.
Is he actually impeached? The senate acquited him last time, can they not just do it again this time?
Yes, he's impeached. Now the House must transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate floor for them to take up and start the removal trial.
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You get Impeached in the House. Convicted in the Senate.
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
Not acquitted, just not removed from office. For there to be meaningful consequences that aren’t legacy-based, yes, the Senate needs to vote for his removal. Procedurally, I think the ‘barred from office’ bit is a separate vote after the removal vote.
But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
Senate does three votes (four if you count setting their rules)
But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
Senate does three votes (four if you count setting their rules)
What is conviction, if removal and disqualification are both separate votes? Could a president be "convicted" in that the Senate finds impeachable shit occurred, but allows the president to stay in office and serve again if the Removal/Disqualification are voted down?
Is McConnell still planning on waiting until after inauguration to move forward?
answer seems to change every time i hear an answer
He announced today that he is waiting until after.
Well. According to Chanus' findings on the Disqualification vote, that means Majority Leader Schumer can disqualify Trump from holding office with a straight majority vote...
Is McConnell still planning on waiting until after inauguration to move forward?
answer seems to change every time i hear an answer
He announced today that he is waiting until after.
Well. According to Chanus' findings on the Disqualification vote, that means Majority Leader Schumer can disqualify Trump from holding office with a straight majority vote...
This is probably what McConnell is hoping for, letting the D's do the dirty work while still managing to rid the GOP of having to worry about him running again.
But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
Senate does three votes (four if you count setting their rules)
What is conviction, if removal and disqualification are both separate votes? Could a president be "convicted" in that they admit impeachable shit occurred, but allowed to stay in office and serve again if the Removal/Disqualification are voted down?
This is all so confusing I googled it until I got an answer that seemed to have done the legwork to cite stuff. Based on the article linked below the Senate has held that conviction means removal from office since at least 1936. Barring from office is currently interpreted by the Senate to require a simple majority vote after conviction which they have stuck to so far. All of this appears to be based on what the Senate from 1936 agreed to so who knows if it holds up, but it appears to be the best answers we currently have. Or I found a shady site masquerading as a solid site.
Is McConnell still planning on waiting until after inauguration to move forward?
answer seems to change every time i hear an answer
He announced today that he is waiting until after.
Well. According to Chanus' findings on the Disqualification vote, that means Majority Leader Schumer can disqualify Trump from holding office with a straight majority vote...
This is probably what McConnell is hoping for, letting the D's do the dirty work while still managing to rid the GOP of having to worry about him running again.
My entire adult life has been Democrats having to spend most of their time unfucking whatever the Republicans did while they were in power.
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But he was already impeached before, but then the Senate acquitted him. So surely the Senate has to agree to impeach this time in order to prevent him running again?
Senate does three votes (four if you count setting their rules)
What is conviction, if removal and disqualification are both separate votes? Could a president be "convicted" in that the Senate finds impeachable shit occurred, but allows the president to stay in office and serve again if the Removal/Disqualification are voted down?
i mixed myself up there
Conviction/Removal is one vote requiring 2/3
Disqualification is a separate optional vote only requiring a majority and not requiring conviction/removal
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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Is McConnell still planning on waiting until after inauguration to move forward?
answer seems to change every time i hear an answer
He announced today that he is waiting until after.
Well. According to Chanus' findings on the Disqualification vote, that means Majority Leader Schumer can disqualify Trump from holding office with a straight majority vote...
This is probably what McConnell is hoping for, letting the D's do the dirty work while still managing to rid the GOP of having to worry about him running again.
yeah McConnell is more than happy to let this happen on Schumer's watch
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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technically conviction and removal are separate votes but they just assume one follows the other apparently
Allegedly a voice of reason.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
it is telling that nobody is sure how it works because the only time in the last almost 100 years impeachment was legitimate before Trump was Nixon and he resigned before it could happen
Clinton was not only bullshit but he also was in his second term so Disqualification would have been pointless
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Holy fucking shit.
Yeah man who could have predicted running a 3 month long unsuccessful coup attempt culminating in a riot and sack of the capitol building could have a negative effect on your hotel and golf course business.
You're looking at the priorities of a man who has literally failed his entire life without suffering a single consequence of that failure.
The total ruination of his shitty empire of fools gold is for him
I mean, it’s also for us
But he will understand that more than anything else
We're not wishing and hoping, we're angry. And letting them off the hook by pretending this shit is acceptable isn't going to help.
Oh, I don't know. The total ruination feels like it's for me.
He is the textbook definition of failing upward.
Presidential Libraries are initially funded by a President's foundation with private donations to the nonprofit. Trump is barred from operating a nonprofit in the State of New York due to fraud. Meaning he can't have his Presidential Library in New York because of a court order acknowledging he defrauded children.
I hate this only because I have to hope he chooses Florida over New Jersey
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https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202117
He'd put it in Florida anyway, in some tourist trap, and charge an arm and a leg to get the tour of his "accomplishments." I suspect there aren't really even any presidential documents to maintain. And if there were, a good chunk of them would be incriminating.
He could try Pennsylvania, but I doubt Wharton wants to be affiliated even more with him.
Yes. Very much this.
It will never not be disappointing that this is our current reality.
it was never there
half the country just pretends
What garbage.
House impeaches, Senate determines whether or not to remove him.
Edit: Pithier answer: Yes he is impeached, no they can’t acquit (meaning that he is not considered impeached), but yes they can keep him in office.
Nonetheless, he’s impeached.
Yes, he's impeached. Now the House must transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate floor for them to take up and start the removal trial.
Not acquitted, just not removed from office. For there to be meaningful consequences that aren’t legacy-based, yes, the Senate needs to vote for his removal. Procedurally, I think the ‘barred from office’ bit is a separate vote after the removal vote.
He did the same thing the other day. He asked a question, and stood there while he was ignored.
Nobody else can speak unless he yields his time to them, which he did not do.
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Senate does three votes (four if you count setting their rules)
Conviction - requires 2/3
Removal - requires 2/3
Disqualification (from holding office again) - requires majority
answer seems to change every time i hear an answer
He announced today that he is waiting until after.
What is conviction, if removal and disqualification are both separate votes? Could a president be "convicted" in that the Senate finds impeachable shit occurred, but allows the president to stay in office and serve again if the Removal/Disqualification are voted down?
Well. According to Chanus' findings on the Disqualification vote, that means Majority Leader Schumer can disqualify Trump from holding office with a straight majority vote...
This is probably what McConnell is hoping for, letting the D's do the dirty work while still managing to rid the GOP of having to worry about him running again.
This is all so confusing I googled it until I got an answer that seemed to have done the legwork to cite stuff. Based on the article linked below the Senate has held that conviction means removal from office since at least 1936. Barring from office is currently interpreted by the Senate to require a simple majority vote after conviction which they have stuck to so far. All of this appears to be based on what the Senate from 1936 agreed to so who knows if it holds up, but it appears to be the best answers we currently have. Or I found a shady site masquerading as a solid site.
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/49-judgment-removal-and-disqualification.html
My entire adult life has been Democrats having to spend most of their time unfucking whatever the Republicans did while they were in power.
i mixed myself up there
Conviction/Removal is one vote requiring 2/3
Disqualification is a separate optional vote only requiring a majority and not requiring conviction/removal
yeah McConnell is more than happy to let this happen on Schumer's watch
Clinton was not only bullshit but he also was in his second term so Disqualification would have been pointless