[MTG] I Foretell a Boast or two in Kaldheim

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    burning rune demon is bad

    he's a limited bomb I guess

    but incredibly shitty FoF on a 6 mana stick is not good

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Super curious as to why they thought a foretell watermark was necessary.

    EDIT: For end-of-game expediency, maybe? Just flip up all your remaining facedowns to show they have marks?

    Thinking about this some more, I wonder if Arena will reveal face-downs? There's no reason for it especially in Bo1, but there could be strategic implications in Bo3.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    burning rune demon is bad

    he's a limited bomb I guess

    but incredibly shitty FoF on a 6 mana stick is not good

    yeah, I get that it's a play on Rune-Scarred Demon, but almost all the "have your opponent choose" cards are bad, even the ones that look good, and he just looks boring. Yeah, you can maybe get cards that work from your graveyard. Yawn.

  • WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    burning rune demon is bad

    he's a limited bomb I guess

    but incredibly shitty FoF on a 6 mana stick is not good

    yeah, I get that it's a play on Rune-Scarred Demon, but almost all the "have your opponent choose" cards are bad, even the ones that look good, and he just looks boring. Yeah, you can maybe get cards that work from your graveyard. Yawn.

    My opinion on this card is that it must facilitate a combo in some way or something.

    Actually in a reanimator deck it might be fun.

  • Blackbeard7Blackbeard7 Registered User regular
    A 6 mana dude sounds like a bad enabler for a reanimator deck

    It's just a less busted rune scarred demon designed as such intentionally, all there is to it really

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  • metaghostmetaghost Registered User regular
    Certainly they want you to imagine a return of the Gifts Ungiven/Unburial Rites combo deck — heck, we even got a Praetor running around. But even if such a deck were to come about and include the Rune Demon, its efficacy and success will likely not be because of the Rune Demon.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    Still can cast stuff from exile tho

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    can you foretell a card down without the keyword and just leave it there, unflippable, taunting your opponent?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    can you foretell a card down without the keyword and just leave it there, unflippable, taunting your opponent?

    Probably not. The digital clients won't let you, and in paper there's almost certainly a rule similar to the one with Morph, where at the end of the game you have to flip all your unflipped facedown cards to show they have the ability that let you put them facedown, and if they don't then you get a game loss or something.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    lame.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    Foretell is an ability specifically on the cards. It's not some kind of new Universal Action available to players.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    can you foretell a card down without the keyword and just leave it there, unflippable, taunting your opponent?

    yes you can cheat at the game assuming you don't get caught

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Putting a card facedown in exile when you can’t is cheating, yes

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
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    tribal kavu

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Decent in limited.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    I think it may just be Decent period. It's very rare that these effects get to do Any Target these days.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Ehhhhh it’s four mana and we haven’t seen any super cheap giants yet

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    I think it's also important to note that it's Any Tribe, not just giants. Did you just shit out a bunch of tokens? Drop that and now each of those tokens is one damage to the face boom. This is a very versatile tool for any red creature-based aggro that is able to play a tribal component.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah I guess it could work in a fairy looting deck, which would have the bonus of pitching the upkeep damage giant into the GY

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    One thing I noted in Zendikar is that the way the class tribes overlapped and the way that Party brought them all together made Zendikar arguably the best tribal limited format ever. You could draft linear all-in tribal, but you could also draft hybrid tribal with Party or go full Party. The powerful decks weren't just a Lord and 16 creatures from the same tribe.

    It kinda seems like they're trying to reproduce that for Kaldheim. Aside from Changeling, which is a universal tribal-fixer, a lot of the tribal abilities are formatted like Basalt Ravager where you could splash that card into a Dwarf deck and it'd be nearly as viable as in a Giant deck. Most of the tribal creatures also have a class, which gives you a secondary tribe for "creature type in common" effects. Even a lot of the cards that specify a tribe specify more than one.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    God dammit I keep forgetting that changelings are in this set God dammit

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I think it's also important to note that it's Any Tribe, not just giants. Did you just shit out a bunch of tokens? Drop that and now each of those tokens is one damage to the face boom. This is a very versatile tool for any red creature-based aggro that is able to play a tribal component.

    now I don't even have to attack with my Scute Swarms

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    One thing I noted in Zendikar is that the way the class tribes overlapped and the way that Party brought them all together made Zendikar arguably the best tribal limited format ever. You could draft linear all-in tribal, but you could also draft hybrid tribal with Party or go full Party. The powerful decks weren't just a Lord and 16 creatures from the same tribe.

    It kinda seems like they're trying to reproduce that for Kaldheim. Aside from Changeling, which is a universal tribal-fixer, a lot of the tribal abilities are formatted like Basalt Ravager where you could splash that card into a Dwarf deck and it'd be nearly as viable as in a Giant deck. Most of the tribal creatures also have a class, which gives you a secondary tribe for "creature type in common" effects. Even a lot of the cards that specify a tribe specify more than one.

    Makes me wonder, if we ever go back to Lorwyn or Ixalan, how will they apply the techniques from these more sophisticated tribal sets to the tribes from those older, simpler settings.

    I definitely feel like making cards care about two tribes instead of just one is such a small thing that makes a big difference. For example, if every blue card in Ixalan with a tribal effect applied to both pirates and merfolk instead just one or the other, it would have greatly increased the amount of potential deck building variety.

  • astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    Still can cast stuff from exile tho

    Cool. Another card to prompt judge calls around Living Death/Living End.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    Still can cast stuff from exile tho

    Cool. Another card to prompt judge calls around Living Death/Living End.

    It's weird that this still lets Strip Mine/Crucible happen.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 12
    With changelings, a splashable mana cost, and working on any tribe, I'm comfortable saying that's good in limited, not just decent. Requires a bit of focus to make it work, but a 4/2 and lightning bolt for 3R is a card I would throw in just about anything that could cast it in limited.

    Only real drawback is it does little work if you're already behind, but an efficient frontside can still at least trade, so it's never a dead card. And god forbid you give it anything like first strike.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    With changelings, a splashable mana cost, and working on any tribe, I'm comfortable saying that's good in limited, not just decent. Requires a bit of focus to make it work, but a 4/2 and lightning bolt for 3R is a card I would throw in just about anything that could cast it in limited.

    Only real drawback is it does little work if you're already behind, but an efficient frontside can still at least trade, so it's never a dead card. And god forbid you give it anything like first strike.

    Bear in mind that Changelings are mostly (exclusively?) in UG. Being in green means good fixing but still requires a bit more work than it was in Lorwyn.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    With changelings, a splashable mana cost, and working on any tribe, I'm comfortable saying that's good in limited, not just decent. Requires a bit of focus to make it work, but a 4/2 and lightning bolt for 3R is a card I would throw in just about anything that could cast it in limited.

    Only real drawback is it does little work if you're already behind, but an efficient frontside can still at least trade, so it's never a dead card. And god forbid you give it anything like first strike.

    Bear in mind that Changelings are mostly (exclusively?) in UG. Being in green means good fixing but still requires a bit more work than it was in Lorwyn.

    Giants are UR, aren't they?

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  • Ronin356Ronin356 Nowhere MORegistered User regular
    edited January 12
    With Jorn, God of Winter's ability....does this mean we can untap snow-covered land (From Ice Age) ??

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  • FearghaillFearghaill If there is nothing but what we make in this world let us make goodRegistered User regular
    Ronin356 wrote: »
    With Jorn, God of Winter's ability....does this mean we can untap snow-covered land (From Ice Age) ??

    yes

    and the new snow covered basics/duals

    and any snow mana dorks/rocks that may exist/be revealed

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. boom Registered User regular
    if it says snow, upright it goes

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    combine Jorn with Stasis to make everyone hate you

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    feels like something's up re all the dump-truck butts in this set

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    feels like something's up re all the dump-truck butts in this set

    Isn't that pretty normal for those colors? White and Blue have always gotten high toughness creatures, and they started giving them to Black a while back to help differentiate Black from Red mechanically.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Ehhhhh it’s four mana and we haven’t seen any super cheap giants yet

    Wizards tho

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    That's some good Giant-flavor.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    'Cyclone Summoner'
    5UU
    Creature - Giant Wizard
    When Cyclone Summoner enters the battlefield, if you cast it from your hand, return all permanents except for Giants, Wizards, and lands to their owners' hands.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Giants seems like it requires temur

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Rampy ramp into giant tribal

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    That is a solid payoff mind

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