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    RMH03RMH03 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    hmmm awesome, now all i need is a hoverboard.

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    Kemal86Kemal86 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Ive always been saddened that in my lifetime, I'll never own a private spaceship and get to fly around the galaxy trading goods and using warpgates.

    This almost makes up for it. Welcome to the future.

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    Lave IILave II Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Not just coffee tables.

    Imagine your desk being one. You have your laptop and are are typing away, when you need to read an article you are writing about so you just drag it "onto" your desk.

    Now that would be a step towards a paperless office.

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    GrimReaperGrimReaper Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    It looks great, I guess for some kind of stuff it might be useful. But I can't help but get the feeling it's more a solution looking for a problem.

    Anybody who would replace a keyboard with one of these would have to be a very slow mentally handicapped typist. For typing tactile feedback is a very important aspect, especially when touch typing.

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    JensenJensen Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Kriz wrote: »
    a coffee table computer with information about coffee tables.

    Well played. Well played indeed. :)

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    GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'll be excited about this when all the software I use for work is compatible with this technology. :P

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    CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Reach for the TV guide on this thing.



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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    Imagine one of these screens the size of a decent gaming table.

    Imagine the DM has a section of the screen which is an overall view of the map on the table, and is able to drop creatures, draw locations, load background images, etc.

    Imagine the players being able to just push their virtual minis around, have a bunch of books open in front of them, their character sheets, etc. Everyone has a stylus...

    And the best part?

    End of session, you save the table, close it... and load it exactly as it was, character sheets, book pages and all, when you come back to the game.

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    CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    Imagine one of these screens the size of a decent gaming table.

    Imagine the DM has a section of the screen which is an overall view of the map on the table, and is able to drop creatures, draw locations, load background images, etc.

    Imagine the players being able to just push their virtual minis around, have a bunch of books open in front of them, their character sheets, etc. Everyone has a stylus...

    And the best part?

    End of session, you save the table, close it... and load it exactly as it was, character sheets, book pages and all, when you come back to the game.

    This is the genius of it.

    The more you think about this kind of thing, the more you realise its going to change our lives in so many ways we didnt even realise.

    Like, having paintings hanging on your wall like this, touch the surface to paint on it. Like a whiteboard.

    Or just having a mini version on like every flat surface. Light switches made from it.

    I know, most of this kind of thing is just a cosmetic and pleasing change, nothing really fundamental, but thats the fucking future goddamit. I want pointless high technology.

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    SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    Imagine one of these screens the size of a decent gaming table.

    Imagine the DM has a section of the screen which is an overall view of the map on the table, and is able to drop creatures, draw locations, load background images, etc.

    Imagine the players being able to just push their virtual minis around, have a bunch of books open in front of them, their character sheets, etc. Everyone has a stylus...

    And the best part?

    End of session, you save the table, close it... and load it exactly as it was, character sheets, book pages and all, when you come back to the game.

    Well fuck me. I need a change of pants.

    I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these things (even more) now.

    Also, as much as I hate myself for thinking of this... There exist numerous applications of this technology for questionable pursuits. Very large screen, multi-touch capable, seemingly quite powerful processor...

    On a less nefarious note, I could see a huge market for those silly little "virtual pets" adapted to run on them.

    edit: This would rock for boardgames. Seriously.

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    CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    You know what would make it complete.

    If they incorporated that wireless battery charging they have on that other device, where you put your phone and camera on the surface and they charge.

    Imagine that, you come in from work, you put your keys and phone and whatever, laptop?, on this desk next to your door, they all charge, they all download files to your house HDD for access anywhere. So instead of using these devices directly, you sit on your couch and look up files or emails or documents from there.

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    ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    But dear lord I hope they make it so you can write third party applications for this. Sometimes they tend to "forget" this stuff for devices, but it could be a big step in achieving interoperability for everything. The idea of a "set" of game pieces used for any game you can display the board for would be fantastic.

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    SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    i didn't think MS got into the goofy gadgets as much. Or rather they let people try them out then they come and swallow their soul if they show modest success. Pretty interesting though and sure would be convenient for me since my coffee table is where i do most everything of leisure.

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    SamphisSamphis Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    So...does everyone have to wear cotton gloves or something? Because hell if I'm going to be cleaning my monitor/mousing surface every day.

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    ihdihd Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Samphis wrote: »
    So...does everyone have to wear cotton gloves or something? Because hell if I'm going to be cleaning my monitor/mousing surface every day.

    These things cost upwards of $10k. You'd think they'd invest in that special self-cleaning glass that's showing up in new buildings.

    Failing that, you could always keep a lint-free cloth on hand.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    ihd wrote: »
    Samphis wrote: »
    So...does everyone have to wear cotton gloves or something? Because hell if I'm going to be cleaning my monitor/mousing surface every day.

    These things cost upwards of $10k. You'd think they'd invest in that special self-cleaning glass that's showing up in new buildings.

    Failing that, you could always keep a lint-free cloth on hand.

    It's a massive conspiracy by Windex.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    ToyD wrote: »
    But dear lord I hope they make it so you can write third party applications for this. Sometimes they tend to "forget" this stuff for devices, but it could be a big step in achieving interoperability for everything. The idea of a "set" of game pieces used for any game you can display the board for would be fantastic.
    As an MSDN subscriber, I'll make a post as soon as the SDK becomes available for this bad boy.

    I really hope it does soon, I can't wait to see how they track all the input calls.

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    Resident0Resident0 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    So... Uh... If you have sex on the coffee table, will it start displaying HD porn movies?

    im really sorry...

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    zerg rushzerg rush Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    Imagine one of these screens the size of a decent gaming table.

    Imagine the DM has a section of the screen which is an overall view of the map on the table, and is able to drop creatures, draw locations, load background images, etc.

    Imagine the players being able to just push their virtual minis around, have a bunch of books open in front of them, their character sheets, etc. Everyone has a stylus...

    And the best part?

    End of session, you save the table, close it... and load it exactly as it was, character sheets, book pages and all, when you come back to the game.

    Noooooooooooo. How else will the dog walk right through the miniatures, mess up the papers, and then make off with one of the dice in his mouth?

    That used to be a gaming hazard, turned into act of god. Any character max ate was just declaired dead next combat round. It added a random element to the gameplay.

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    ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    there is a video of some dudes using a multi-touch for Warcraft 3.

    man alive though, if i ever strike the lottery, bam, so bought.

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    It would be cool if you could move it up so the screen could rest at an angle like an drawing table or something. Having it be perfectly flat is cool but sounds like it would get annoying to use for a long time. Having the screen be able to be positions anywhere between horizontal and vertical would make it even more multifunctional.

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    AshendarkAshendark Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I saw a video of touch screen exactly like this demonstrated about a year ago and it wasn't presented by microsoft.

    I'm betting someone got a huge pile of cash behind closed doors and now microsoft is like "hey everyone look what we developed".

    Anyway this looks really cool. I would love to have something like this once more practical applications come out for it. Theres only so much picture organizing and viewing one can do..

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    TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    1. Multitouch isn't anything new. I really love some of the connectivity features Microsoft had on display, but nothing here is revolutionary - Jeff Han was doing it a year ago. This wouldn't be necessary to say if Microsoft and some fawning press coverage wasn't lauding this development as revolutionary. It's a dang cool implementation, but give some credit to the guy who was puttin' the polish to multitouch interface design while he was still a student.

    2. I think this will have limited success as a 'neat device' at some airports and hotels and casinos or wherever, but I don't see the practical draw for homes or businesses. They need to get this technology into phones, tablets and presentation boards ASAP. Coffee table computers, while making for neat demos, aren't practical or ergonomic or of any interest to 99% of the tech-purchasing public.

    3. I love some of the interface touches. The Surface GUI designers should've been working on Vista, which is just plain ugly (simplicity and speed of the redesign aside) in my opinion.

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Suriko wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Imagine one of these screens the size of a decent gaming table.

    Imagine the DM has a section of the screen which is an overall view of the map on the table, and is able to drop creatures, draw locations, load background images, etc.

    Imagine the players being able to just push their virtual minis around, have a bunch of books open in front of them, their character sheets, etc. Everyone has a stylus...

    And the best part?

    End of session, you save the table, close it... and load it exactly as it was, character sheets, book pages and all, when you come back to the game.

    Well fuck me. I need a change of pants.

    I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these things (even more) now.

    Also, as much as I hate myself for thinking of this... There exist numerous applications of this technology for questionable pursuits. Very large screen, multi-touch capable, seemingly quite powerful processor...

    On a less nefarious note, I could see a huge market for those silly little "virtual pets" adapted to run on them.

    edit: This would rock for boardgames. Seriously.

    Table top gaming was my first thought as well. The possibilities are endless.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Ok...this surface technology? Ok...have the keyboard as a little task bar over on the left hand side. You move your hand over to it, and pull it out virtually. It turns into a virtual keyboard. You type on it.
    When its in the way, you virtually push it over to the left hand side again. I would say just draw letters on the screen with a touch pen but, some people prefer typing, so a virtual keyboard allows these people to work with what they know.
    Mouse? Who needs it, push, pull, grab, double tab etc etc.
    For doing work, say art work or a word document, how does shape warping sound? Alt tab and return? Clicking and dragging? How about pulling apart the seperate parts of the page you are working on and rearranging them with your hands? That damn image not formatting properly? Simply grab it and slap it in place.
    Who here hasn't written things down for work on pieces of paper because paper has a flexability that modern programs, with their clumsy keyboard and mouse controls, don't allow? I know I do, all the time.

    I imagine an easle type arrangement, with a big flat surface at a comfortable angle, allowing your hands and arms to rest lightly on the flat surface and not need a wrist support or risk carpel tunnel syndrome.
    You can see anything, moving windows is as fast as touching your coffee cup and sliding it over here.

    Now, you might think, bah, keyboard and mouse is fine, them dumb artists got their papers...but with the way the human mind works, the ability to freely grab and move around images on screen in a way that this could allow would dramatically increase productivity, and probably help with the creation of new ideas too, because you can move a project diagram, or the paragraphs in an essay or report around in a dynamic way that clumsy copy and paste just can't do.
    Fuck furniture, I want one in my house so I can do work on it easier than I've ever dreamed of.

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    victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Terrorbyte wrote: »
    1. Multitouch isn't anything new. I really love some of the connectivity features Microsoft had on display, but nothing here is revolutionary - Jeff Han was doing it a year ago. This wouldn't be necessary to say if Microsoft and some fawning press coverage wasn't lauding this development as revolutionary. It's a dang cool implementation, but give some credit to the guy who was puttin' the polish to multitouch interface design while he was still a student.

    2. I think this will have limited success as a 'neat device' at some airports and hotels and casinos or wherever, but I don't see the practical draw for homes or businesses. They need to get this technology into phones, tablets and presentation boards ASAP. Coffee table computers, while making for neat demos, aren't practical or ergonomic or of any interest to 99% of the tech-purchasing public.

    3. I love some of the interface touches. The Surface GUI designers should've been working on Vista, which is just plain ugly (simplicity and speed of the redesign aside) in my opinion.

    They've been working on this for years apparently. Look at JCRooks posts in the thread.

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    TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    They've been working on this for years apparently. Look at JCRooks posts in the thread.

    Dude, multitouch has been the Next Big Thing since 1982. Microsoft and others have probably been working on implementations for a decade, at least. But if you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that the group of developers here didn't borrow liberally from Han, you have to be fucking kidding me. Apple and Microsoft were gunning for this dude hard, for the iPhone and Surface respectively. He was the first dude who was like, "Remember all that shit that we thought would be cool like resizing with a pinch and whatever? Remember how the technology was never quite there? Well, it is now..."

    I don't need to look at anyone's post, dude. I've been following this stuff for a while. Microsoft deserves tons of credits for making such a sexy little implementation of this technology. But, I'm not going to sit here and swallow the shit that they've been slaving away on this stuff from the ground up for years. Google multitouch and look at the implementations and then check the dates. YouTube search for multitouch and look at the implementations and then check the dates. Why would I need to look at someone's post when a boatload of information is already at my fingertips and staring me in the face?

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    End of a CenturyEnd of a Century Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    My wife will program it to alert her when I'm not using a coaster under my beverage. Or when the glass is too close to the edge. It will send emails to me telling me to "dust it, or else."

    Ah, the future.

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    victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Terrorbyte wrote: »
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    They've been working on this for years apparently. Look at JCRooks posts in the thread.

    Dude, multitouch has been the Next Big Thing since 1982. Microsoft and others have probably been working on implementations for a decade, at least. But if you're seriously going to sit there and tell me that the group of developers here didn't borrow liberally from Han, you have to be fucking kidding me. Apple and Microsoft were gunning for this dude hard, for the iPhone and Surface respectively. He was the first dude who was like, "Remember all that shit that we thought would be cool like resizing with a pinch and whatever? Remember how the technology was never quite there? Well, it is now..."

    I don't need to look at anyone's post, dude. I've been following this stuff for a while. Microsoft deserves tons of credits for making such a sexy little implementation of this technology. But, I'm not going to sit here and swallow the shit that they've been slaving away on this stuff from the ground up for years. Google multitouch and look at the implementations and then check the dates. YouTube search for multitouch and look at the implementations and then check the dates. Why would I need to look at someone's post when a boatload of information is already at my fingertips and staring me in the face?

    Chill out. C-H-I-L-L-O-U-T

    And you really need to read his posts if you haven't yet. Microsoft has R&D, and they use it. We know about Jeff Han's demonstration. We get it, you don't like Microsoft. You don't need to repeat that fact over and over again.

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    SamphisSamphis Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    So....what if you sneeze on this?

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    As soon as I read the first few sentences, my mind immediately went to this.

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    Now there's a coffee table I'd love to have in my house.

    GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Samphis wrote: »
    So....what if you sneeze on this?


    It analyzes it and wirelessly communicates the sneeze to your PDA, which then gets the virus and spreads it to your Xbox360.

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    KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Moridan wrote: »
    Samphis wrote: »
    So....what if you sneeze on this?


    It analyzes it and wirelessly communicates the sneeze to your PDA, which then gets the virus and spreads it to your Xbox360.

    It even says "God bless you."

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    On the topic of having light switches etc. made with this technology, how about having all six walls of your room made of multi touch surfaces?

    Don't like where your light switch is? Move it somewhere else.
    Don't like the wallpaper? Change it.
    Kids have scribbled all over the walls again? Either delete it or save it for posterity, in case they get famous.
    Who needs bookshelves? Touch a book and it opens on the wall for you to flick through. Want to see more? "Throw" it and it appears on your desk, possibly moving other papers and such aside for extra cool factor.

    Then you start adding in things like NXT speakers and your hifi separates become instantly obsolete.
    Add wireless power as suggested and you need never have another wall socket.
    I can already see boardroom table sized versions of these in large corporations by 2010...

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    TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    I wonder if it loads up porn sites if you rest your wang on it.

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    NeliNeli Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    This looked pretty good

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I really wish they'd make something like this, but with the possibility for each pixel to also have a 'height' element, and actually protrude a small distance (maybe a couple of millimetres) from the surface. That way you could have a keyboard that you could really feel.

    And oh wow, I just realised. If you properly manipulated the pixels so they moved in a 'wave' of sorts, it'd be potentially possible for the computer to move items around on its surface without interaction from the user. Imagine that for tabletop games: the physical enemy pieces moved automatically by the Surface system. That would be so, so awesome.

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    DaybreakDaybreak Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    naengwen wrote: »
    I can see where TSR's coming from. My only qualm with the announcement, i'm not sure if Microsoft is gonna be the company to bring this into the mainstream. What would be really awesome, though: this technology combined with Sony's recently unveiled flexi-OLED tech. I'm thinking PCs you could carry around like a newspaper, or a magazine.

    Or a book :P

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    SpackleSpackle Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I hope they give you some access to that Surface API. You could create some snazzy add-ons, I bet. So, will the keyboard then just be a peripheral like a standard Desktop?

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Someone's been watching too much star trek and his name is bill gates :D

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