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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I really wish they'd make something like this, but with the possibility for each pixel to also have a 'height' element, and actually protrude a small distance (maybe a couple of millimetres) from the surface. That way you could have a keyboard that you could really feel.

    And oh wow, I just realised. If you properly manipulated the pixels so they moved in a 'wave' of sorts, it'd be potentially possible for the computer to move items around on its surface without interaction from the user. Imagine that for tabletop games: the physical enemy pieces moved automatically by the Surface system. That would be so, so awesome.

    Unless you are talking about optical illusions, I don't think they have the technology for sensing somebody touching a light particle projected off a screen. Shit, I don't even think they have the technology to visually show what you are describing, let alone give you the ability to sense it or it to sense you. It's not a holodeck. It's just a big touch screen that can handle multiple inputs.
    Unfortuantly, protuding a small distance into thin air is probably still a long long way away, if it ever happens at all.

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I could swear I saw a brief video of this before. Maybe it was a different multitouch screen thing.

    I kinda wanted to stop watching 26 seconds in when they guy says "paradigm". Ugh.

    I'd be more impressed if not for the fact that they show almost nothing that couldn't be done more easily on a normal computer. The only thing that seemed at all interesting was the use of the Surface to transfer a picture directly from a camera to a cellphone, but that could be done without any computer at all if the camera and cellphone manufacturers used a standardized protocol for the transfer of files between devices.

    And how in the world does anybody make any sort of input on it? I suppose they could have an onscreen keyboard (though that would be uncomfortable unless they put the screen higher and at an angle), but somehow I can't imagine it being very easy to type without the tactile sensation of depressing keys.

    Frankly, it seems to me like a neat idea which is, functionally, rather pointless.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I really wish they'd make something like this, but with the possibility for each pixel to also have a 'height' element, and actually protrude a small distance (maybe a couple of millimetres) from the surface. That way you could have a keyboard that you could really feel.

    A cooler thing then that was shown on the demo where they have glass blocks on the screen and the system tracks the and projects pictures through them wherever they're positioned.

    So imagine a thin glass or clear plastic interface devices like mice and key boards that you place wherever you want on the screen and they project what ever you like from the bottom. Anytime you want to use a key board you just lay it down on the screen and type from any angle.

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    JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Frankly, it seems to me like a neat idea which is, functionally, rather pointless.
    I believe the initial reaction to the mouse was pretty much the same: "What the hell do I need this dangly doo-dad for? I've already got arrow keys!"

    Point being that yeah, all the stuff you can do already you can do with the multitouch screen. But the interface is better and as people toy around over with it the years you'll find many things that either can't be done or can't be done well using the old input methods.

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    NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    This could really be a boon for the disabled. For example, I currently rely on a MyDesc desk to be functional in my wheelchair (pic of a generic MyDesc below...not the model I use):

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    I use it to eat, to place my keyboard and mouse, and just about everything else. Would it be possible to integrate Surface technology into something like this? How cool would that be? The disabled would instantly be wired to the larger world. And, hey, maybe electric wheelchair motor/computer settings could be saved to the desk, making it easier to keep a person's custom settings whenever they change chairs (assuming they were equivalent across the board). It would certainly save a lot of time and frustration during the wheelchair fitting process.

    For the disabled people who like to go out and about, it could display a map, showing where they are in any given town or city in real time.

    Maybe connect it wirelessly to a pacemaker, for example, so if it goes off, the computer calls 9-11 and any other emergency contact numbers?

    If done right, the possibilities for this technology are certainly bright.

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    AimAim Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    JCRooks wrote: »
    I've seen this in-person several times (yes, I work in MS). It's definitely very cool, and there's no doubt about it when you see someone demo it, or play with it, etc. But how it's actually going to make lots o' money still remains to be seen, especially since it's so expensive. It makes sense, though, that the first customers are going to be businesses and not regular consumers. (We were joking at some point that the only buyers would be other Microsofties)

    Do you know how long they've been working on this?

    The internet's vomiting "olol iPhone copy!" :roll:

    And I'm definitely intrigued by the concept.

    The article says the project started in 2001 (on the first post)

    Syndalis - slap a barcode under a figurine, and you can actually move it around on top of the table , and have the game react to it.

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    CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    This is going to be super successful in the kind of train station, airport terminal kind of info booth type scenario.

    or theme park maps.

    or anything where you are in a public place and need information.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    This could really be a boon for the disabled. For example, I currently rely on a MyDesc desk to be functional in my wheelchair (pic of a generic MyDesc below...not the model I use):
    See, this is the kind of innovative thinking new tech needs for it to be properly adopted. Make it an essential part of peoples lives, not just a fancy way to show our photos off.

    And this certainly is the sort of thing likely to make it big, especially since both Apple and MS are pushing it (I would wager good money Apple develop a multitouch tablet form Macbook within the next three years, probably a lot less).

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    Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Frankly, it seems to me like a neat idea which is, functionally, rather pointless.
    I believe the initial reaction to the mouse was pretty much the same: "What the hell do I need this dangly doo-dad for? I've already got arrow keys!"

    Actually, being that the mouse was invented in the 60s, I think the general reaction was probably "How are we going to use a pointing device when we don't have anything for it to point to?", being that graphical interfaces weren't in wide use at the time.
    Point being that yeah, all the stuff you can do already you can do with the multitouch screen. But the interface is better
    Again, I don't see how. If your goal is to spin pictures around on the screen, then by all means, you can do a better job of that on a multitouch screen than with a mouse. But if you want to, say, resize it? How is it easier to get what you want by moving your fingers around on the screen than by opening up a "resize image" dialog box and selecting the precise dimensions?
    and as people toy around over with it the years you'll find many things that either can't be done or can't be done well using the old input methods.
    Well, it's hard to argue with that kind of logic. Maybe it will, but I can't see any such use at present, which is the period in time I am chiefly concerned with.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Resizing? Well, because the screen could be the same resolution as the printer it is attached to, you can just drag two opposing corners apart til it looks right (or there could be a widget that displays rulers. Or even a button that lets you type in precise measurements :P ).

    This system has more freedom that using a mouse and keyboard.

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    Bob SappBob Sapp Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I already spend too much time at the computer, I don't need them showing up in my furniture. Add the electricity use plus the fact that I use coffee tables to throw crap on and this is not a product I'd want. Although it looks like it could be useful in a corporate setting for conference tables, although not too useful.

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    Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I really wish they'd make something like this, but with the possibility for each pixel to also have a 'height' element, and actually protrude a small distance (maybe a couple of millimetres) from the surface. That way you could have a keyboard that you could really feel.

    And oh wow, I just realised. If you properly manipulated the pixels so they moved in a 'wave' of sorts, it'd be potentially possible for the computer to move items around on its surface without interaction from the user. Imagine that for tabletop games: the physical enemy pieces moved automatically by the Surface system. That would be so, so awesome.

    Unless you are talking about optical illusions, I don't think they have the technology for sensing somebody touching a light particle projected off a screen. Shit, I don't even think they have the technology to visually show what you are describing, let alone give you the ability to sense it or it to sense you. It's not a holodeck. It's just a big touch screen that can handle multiple inputs.
    Unfortuantly, protuding a small distance into thin air is probably still a long long way away, if it ever happens at all.

    Uh, I don't mean the light. I mean the physical pixel. I have no idea how feisable it is, but having each 'pixel' as a separate physical object capable of being extended above the surface to a height dictated by software doesn't seem super unrealistic to me.

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    HallowedFaithHallowedFaith Call me Cloud. Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Nothing new to me, but nice to see they are perfecting the technology. The concepts behind this can be expanded into dimensions of productivity that we are just scratching at.

    Combo this with future aspects of OBHI (Oxygen Based Holographic Interface) technology and you're going to start seeing a whole new world.

    From a gamers perspective this is simply bad ass. The more interaction with a game you can get the better.

    Imagine the future where you keep one disc on you at all times. All the information you ever need can be scanned into this disc. Product information from the store, pricing, pictures, etc. You walk into your favorite coffee shop and you buy your drink, smile at the lady and sit down. Lay your disc on the table and viola - you now have access to all your days events + the internet.

    10 years from now is going to be awesome.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
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    Imagine that is your table top. (Minus the text of course.) You double tap your miniature and his character sheet pops up beside him. Maybe you even tap the weapon/attack you intend to use.

    Tap the target you wish to attack, then tap the dice to roll. All the math is done, the character sheet for the enemy is updated with the damage...etc. etc.

    Maybe there is a round tracker floating around the board to help you track initiative.

    Imagine when you tap the character, the spaces he can legally move to are highlighted.

    Tell the board what type of spell you are casting and you drag the spell "template" around to determine which enemies get affected.

    Awesome....

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Moridan wrote: »
    Tap the target you wish to attack, then tap the dice to roll. All the math is done, the character sheet for the enemy is updated with the damage...etc. etc.

    And since the table can recognize objects that you put on top of it you can play with all the miniatures and real dice.

    But things like adding fireball animations when you cast spells would be freak'n sweet.

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Moridan wrote: »
    Tap the target you wish to attack, then tap the dice to roll. All the math is done, the character sheet for the enemy is updated with the damage...etc. etc.

    And since the table can recognize objects that you put on top of it you can play with all the miniatures and real dice.

    But things like adding fireball animations when you cast spells would be freak'n sweet.

    I assume it recognizes things by shape or wireless connectivity. It can't see right?
    So that wouldn't work if all your minis had the same shaped base.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Moridan wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Moridan wrote: »
    Tap the target you wish to attack, then tap the dice to roll. All the math is done, the character sheet for the enemy is updated with the damage...etc. etc.

    And since the table can recognize objects that you put on top of it you can play with all the miniatures and real dice.

    But things like adding fireball animations when you cast spells would be freak'n sweet.

    I assume it recognizes things by shape or wireless connectivity. It can't see right?
    So that wouldn't work if all your minis had the same shaped base.

    But would if they all had RFID chips.

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    Moridan wrote: »
    DanHibiki wrote: »
    Moridan wrote: »
    Tap the target you wish to attack, then tap the dice to roll. All the math is done, the character sheet for the enemy is updated with the damage...etc. etc.

    And since the table can recognize objects that you put on top of it you can play with all the miniatures and real dice.

    But things like adding fireball animations when you cast spells would be freak'n sweet.

    I assume it recognizes things by shape or wireless connectivity. It can't see right?
    So that wouldn't work if all your minis had the same shaped base.

    But would if they all had RFID chips.

    Well yeah, but then you have to buy the minis AND the RFID chips. I'd rather have an infinite number of virtual minis for free.

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    zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    The thing has IR cameras, so it recognizes more than just shape.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    And RFID is by no means precise. Trust me, I know. Even short proximity passive RFID devices have a margin of error in space larger than one inch, and I doubt they canvassed the entire bottom of the multitouch screen with RFID sensors.

    If I had to guess how the phone stuff even worked (resting phone on the screen, then having it recognized)... it was a combination of bluetooth pairing, and predetermined dimensions on the size of the device, so that when its pressure was exerted on the screen, it knew by the footprint what device it was dealing with.


    The fact that there were two Zunes sitting on the screen at the same time leads me to think that there was some tomfoolery going on in that demo, or that how devices are paired with the screen was not fully gone over with us.

    Who knows; it's fucking cool, but I still want more info. And the SDK.


    edit: IR cameras you say? Where is that info?

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    AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    First thing I thought of was having one in the shower (water-proof of course). You wake up in the morning go to take a shower, punch up the morning's headlines, weather reports, email, whatever you might wanna read or see after you wake up. And also porn, but thats a given.

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    regroxregrox Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »

    edit: IR cameras you say? Where is that info?

    second page of the online article posted in the OP.

    "Surface's "machine vision" operates in the near-infrared spectrum, using an 850-nanometer-wavelength LED light source aimed at the screen. When objects touch the tabletop, the light reflects back and is picked up by multiple infrared cameras with a net resolution of 1280 x 960."

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    Alchemist449Alchemist449 Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I don't know why your all upset about the no keyboard thing. Turns out people have been inputing text on flat surfaces for thousands of years with these things called hands.

    Just imagine, writing something that the computer can recogize than getting options to resize, change font, color, and other things after you write it.

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Axen wrote: »
    First thing I thought of was having one in the shower (water-proof of course). You wake up in the morning go to take a shower, punch up the morning's headlines, weather reports, email, whatever you might wanna read or see after you wake up. And also porn, but thats a given.

    :^::^:

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    AimAim Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    regrox wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »

    edit: IR cameras you say? Where is that info?

    second page of the online article posted in the OP.

    "Surface's "machine vision" operates in the near-infrared spectrum, using an 850-nanometer-wavelength LED light source aimed at the screen. When objects touch the tabletop, the light reflects back and is picked up by multiple infrared cameras with a net resolution of 1280 x 960."

    They also mention that they can have a visual identification code (they call it a "domino code" on the second page) to identify individual objects. Sort of a bar code,

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Can it do anything else besides play with photos?

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Aim wrote: »
    regrox wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »

    edit: IR cameras you say? Where is that info?

    second page of the online article posted in the OP.

    "Surface's "machine vision" operates in the near-infrared spectrum, using an 850-nanometer-wavelength LED light source aimed at the screen. When objects touch the tabletop, the light reflects back and is picked up by multiple infrared cameras with a net resolution of 1280 x 960."

    They also mention that they can have a visual identification code (they call it a "domino code" on the second page) to identify individual objects. Sort of a bar code,

    Ah. That resolves the mini issue then.
    But like I said, this allows you to use mini without minis, and that's awesome.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    Can it do anything else besides play with photos?
    Did you ever watch the videos? Some of the stuff it can do from a concierge or retail perspective right out of the gate is great.

    The Bar/Restaurant app was killer. I want the table at my favorite dive to have this in it at some point in the future.

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    Can it do anything else besides play with photos?
    Did you ever watch the videos? Some of the stuff it can do from a concierge or retail perspective right out of the gate is great.

    The Bar/Restaurant app was killer. I want the table at my favorite dive to have this in it at some point in the future.

    I only see 1 video, and all they're doing is playing with photos and maps.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    http://www.microsoft.com/surface

    Watch all three in the experience section.

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    http://www.microsoft.com/surface

    Watch all three in the experience section.

    All I'm seeing is people playing with photos and maps and moving the data across devices.

    The only thing I saw even remotely interesting was Defcon.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    http://www.microsoft.com/surface

    Watch all three in the experience section.

    All I'm seeing is people playing with photos and maps and moving the data across devices.

    The only thing I saw even remotely interesting was Defcon.
    So you didn't see the people ordering off of the active menu, or splitting the bill by placing their credit cards on the surface and dragging what they ate onto it?

    Or planning a route on the big map, transferring the route to a GPS enabled smartphone/Pocket PC, and having directions given to you as you go?

    Also, use a little imagination here. Think about board games, desks in classrooms, etc.

    This is a great tech that has an approachable pricetag for commercial interests (kiosks, concierge, etc.).

    3 years from now, home units that are sub 1000 will be a reality.

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Can you imagine if some twerp had walked up to Babbage as he was showing off his difference engine and said "can it do anything besides add up?" Assuming they weren't royalty, that kid would have been beaten so hard...

    Not to mention: RTS games. Can you imagine? draw rings around units to select them, tap to give orders, pull out production lists etc.
    And what about that PS3 game that makes the cards "real" on screen?

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    rayofashrayofash Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    syndalis wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    http://www.microsoft.com/surface

    Watch all three in the experience section.

    All I'm seeing is people playing with photos and maps and moving the data across devices.

    The only thing I saw even remotely interesting was Defcon.
    So you didn't see the people ordering off of the active menu, or splitting the bill by placing their credit cards on the surface and dragging what they ate onto it?

    Or planning a route on the big map, transferring the route to a GPS enabled smartphone/Pocket PC, and having directions given to you as you go?

    Also, use a little imagination here. Think about board games, desks in classrooms, etc.

    This is a great tech that has an approachable pricetag for commercial interests (kiosks, concierge, etc.).

    3 years from now, home units that are sub 1000 will be a reality.

    I did see those, and they didn't interest me. I'm not denying this is amazing technology, all I'm saying is what can it offer me? I don't eat at restraunts that could afford a machine like that, nor do I use a GPS. If I have a board game, I play it on it the board it came with.

    The only thing I could see myself doing with it is hooking up a sound system and loading all my music onto it, that way people could mess around with whatever is playing when they come to my house. But that isn't worth the money it would cost to get it.

    Edit: Now if I could pull up a keyboard (that I assume would be a part of the interface, like pulling up the music app) and use it to program and play games like a normal computer and draw like a large tablet, It would be baught so frikkin hard.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    rayofash wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    http://www.microsoft.com/surface

    Watch all three in the experience section.

    All I'm seeing is people playing with photos and maps and moving the data across devices.

    The only thing I saw even remotely interesting was Defcon.
    So you didn't see the people ordering off of the active menu, or splitting the bill by placing their credit cards on the surface and dragging what they ate onto it?

    Or planning a route on the big map, transferring the route to a GPS enabled smartphone/Pocket PC, and having directions given to you as you go?

    Also, use a little imagination here. Think about board games, desks in classrooms, etc.

    This is a great tech that has an approachable pricetag for commercial interests (kiosks, concierge, etc.).

    3 years from now, home units that are sub 1000 will be a reality.

    I did see those, and they didn't interest me. I'm not denying this is amazing technology, all I'm saying is what can it offer me? I don't eat at restraunts that could afford a machine like that, nor do I use a GPS. If I have a board game, I play it on it the board it came with.

    The only thing I could see myself doing with it is hooking up a sound system and loading all my music onto it, that way people could mess around with whatever is playing when they come to my house. But that isn't worth the money it would cost to get it.
    But this isn't MEANT for home implementation yet. Everything I have seen outside of "kid drawing pictures" leads me to think this kind of stuff will first show up first in public places, with the homes getting it later as the price comes down.

    And if the SDK comes out for this, there is no limits to how awesome this will be. I can think of at least 3-4 programs I would want to develop for it.

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    TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Can you imagine if some twerp had walked up to Babbage as he was showing off his difference engine and said "can it do anything besides add up?" Assuming they weren't royalty, that kid would have been beaten so hard...

    Not to mention: RTS games. Can you imagine? draw rings around units to select them, tap to give orders, pull out production lists etc.
    And what about that PS3 game that makes the cards "real" on screen?

    People either have no imagination, or as just being way too jaded. Of course what's shown off isn't revolutionary in it's own, but what it could bring would change the way a lot of things work.

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    MoridanMoridan Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    I'm not denying this is amazing technology, all I'm saying is what can it offer me? I don't eat at restraunts that could afford a machine like that, nor do I use a GPS. If I have a board game, I play it on it the board it came with.


    You're such a visionary.

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    Bad-BeatBad-Beat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I could see this being used in Tourist offices as help points and such. Definately a lot they can do with this.

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    rayofash wrote: »
    I did see those, and they didn't interest me. I'm not denying this is amazing technology, all I'm saying is what can it offer me? I don't eat at restraunts that could afford a machine like that, nor do I use a GPS. If I have a board game, I play it on it the board it came with.

    The only thing I could see myself doing with it is hooking up a sound system and loading all my music onto it, that way people could mess around with whatever is playing when they come to my house. But that isn't worth the money it would cost to get it.

    Edit: Now if I could pull up a keyboard (that I assume would be a part of the interface, like pulling up the music app) and use it to program and play games like a normal computer and draw like a large tablet, It would be baught so frikkin hard.

    Well duh. That's only what half the thread has already suggested...
    In fact, you could probably just plop an actual bluetooth keyboard down and start typing.
    As for what else this can offer you, how about reading some of the suggestions made in this thread? Quite aside from the various game ideas, the basic technology underlying this is quite revolutionary.

    Also, you need to eat somewhere other than Mickey D's. Seriously, that shit just ain't healthy...

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