We'll see where it goes this year. I'm stuck where I am, morally, until the whole China thing plays itself out
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There is no policy that prevents Hololive from collabing with Holostar. It's just that Cover calls and markets their talents as idols and most of the girls go along with that up to indulging their fan's GFE fantasies so they have to deal with a bunch of idol fans who will go from loving and adoring them to give them if they grief for something as minor as commenting on a tweet made by a Holostar. Not making that up either that actually happened idol fans are fucking crazy. Nijisanji never presented their talents as idols so they didn't have to deal with the bullshit that comes with idol fans so getting that mindset out of the fan base was a lot easier to do and their male streamers don't have anemic sub growth cause the fans don't view their existence as a threat to their fantasies.
Some of nijisanji's more idol coded talent, notably some of their oldest talent like tsukino mito suzuhara lulu and deron, have had to deal with the exact same stuff you are describing in the early days, but ichikara actually listened to talent expressing its interests in more free collaboration and took measures to protect them, including drafting an aggressive anti-defamation policy, which has allowed for more free and open impromptu collaboration since
You do not have to settle for 'idol fans are crazy '(and again, I would push back against the idea that idol fans and Japanese fandom is uniquely bad in this regard- lest we look at how wetstern neckbeards responded to an Asian woman lead in star wars)
There does not have to be a rule in place by cover that bans talent from collaborating if their inaction functionally does the same thing by allowing the fanbse to dictate what is and is not allowable
Their unwillingness to protect their CN branch when they were caught in the crossfire, their complete disinterest in staffing their moderation team, the lack of oversight on their reddit, I could go on for literally pages about how Cover continually fails its labor force
All of these are actions driven by a paralysing fear of losing capital now instead of protecting their talent and revenue streams long term
Some of nijisanji's more idol coded talent, notably some of their oldest talent like tsukino mito suzuhara lulu and deron, have had to deal with the exact same stuff you are describing in the early days, but ichikara actually listened to talent expressing its interests in more free collaboration and took measures to protect them, including drafting an aggressive anti-defamation policy, which has allowed for more free and open impromptu collaboration since
You do not have to settle for 'idol fans are crazy '(and again, I would push back against the idea that idol fans and Japanese fandom is uniquely bad in this regard- lest we look at how wetstern neckbeards responded to an Asian woman lead in star wars)
There does not have to be a rule in place by cover that bans talent from collaborating if their inaction functionally does the same thing by allowing the fanbse to dictate what is and is not allowable
Their unwillingness to protect their CN branch when they were caught in the crossfire, their complete disinterest in staffing their moderation team, the lack of oversight on their reddit, I could go on for literally pages about how Cover continually fails its labor force
All of these are actions driven by a paralysing fear of losing capital now instead of protecting their talent and revenue streams long term
I would reckon that since Hololive has a more international base (as a percentage), it's less likely that Japanese fans dominate cultural attitudes towards them. As far as fans are concerned, this is more of an opportunity than anything else, especially as Cover has put its chips in the western market.
I'm willing to believe that Cover's in over its head for a lot of things and doesn't have a globally minded genius at the helm - but if it's unsustainable, if it can't support its talent, this problem will regretfully solve itself. I have a bit of faith that good intentions can win. If they solicit feedback I will have something prepared.
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From what I've heard, it's largely personal reasons that the majority of the Hololive talent don't look at Holostars for collaborations. Either they buy into the whole "idol" thing or are too shy to interact.
This comes from the other side as well with the Stars not wanting to be seen as leeching from their more popular seniors, or are themselves too shy.
This doesn't mean that management is blameless, but there's always more to consider than the obvious.
On the closure of the CN branch, I suspect that there was not much that Clover could do, since the CCP's stance is "bend the knee or get out". Gura had to private her Muse Dash stream for the same reason.
The publisher, X.D. Network Inc., is Chinese and either revoked their permission to stream the games or Cover proactively did it to cover their asses, we don't know for sure since there wasn't an official statement from either side. The only statement I could find was made by the developers of the game, PeroPeroGames, saying they had no idea what was going on and to direct any complaints to their publisher.
That whole thing is also very very likely the reason why Nene's getting a completely new, permanent design change that is replacing her current model (instead of being an additional outfit).
On the closure of the CN branch, I suspect that there was not much that Clover could do, since the CCP's stance is "bend the knee or get out". Gura had to private her Muse Dash stream for the same reason.
And the part where the talent in question says that they were told that they could keep their models, only to have that agreement revoked by cover immediately before they 'graduated,' leaving them without any immediate way to stream as vtubers?
On the closure of the CN branch, I suspect that there was not much that Clover could do, since the CCP's stance is "bend the knee or get out". Gura had to private her Muse Dash stream for the same reason.
And the part where the talent in question says that they were told that they could keep their models, only to have that agreement revoked by cover immediately before they 'graduated,' leaving them without any immediate way to stream as vtubers?
That came from the CN side in the middle of negotiating their exit and Cover never confirmed it. They did finish and deliver the new costumes and updated models before they graduated.
On the closure of the CN branch, I suspect that there was not much that Clover could do, since the CCP's stance is "bend the knee or get out". Gura had to private her Muse Dash stream for the same reason.
And the part where the talent in question says that they were told that they could keep their models, only to have that agreement revoked by cover immediately before they 'graduated,' leaving them without any immediate way to stream as vtubers?
It couldn't have helped that many of the CN talents were hinting at support for the Chinese antis or outright stating it...
I feel like we might be starting to stray a bit much into rumors and hearsay, here. Certainly, there was some sort of breakdown that prevented the hololive CN disbanding from being nicer, but there's plenty of room in the what or why that I don't think we really know? Though I can't say I've been great at handling or attending to those kinds of topics in great detail.
From my perspective, I tend to align with Paladin's view that Cover's been caught somewhat flat footed with their growth and are continuing to experience plenty of growing pains. It's not like other talent agencies in this fairly new space haven't also had to face their own challenges. Best we can hope for is that they are able to learn from their mistakes and keep improving in a positive direction, without falling into a truly devastating trap. I feel okay in retaining that hope for now.
edit: Just noticed that my webcam turns on automatically while I was watching Rushia's livestream, turns off after I switched to something else. Did anyone have this strange problem?
On the closure of the CN branch, I suspect that there was not much that Clover could do, since the CCP's stance is "bend the knee or get out". Gura had to private her Muse Dash stream for the same reason.
And the part where the talent in question says that they were told that they could keep their models, only to have that agreement revoked by cover immediately before they 'graduated,' leaving them without any immediate way to stream as vtubers?
That came from the CN side in the middle of negotiating their exit and Cover never confirmed it. They did finish and deliver the new costumes and updated models before they graduated.
So we are consistently siding with the large corporation instead of believing laborers
Cover has been doing this for literal years now, and is stull uniquely bad at protecting its workforce, either through passive inaction or deliberate inaction
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Miko was playing Nier: Automata a bit ago and Kiara just started her stream of it; she confirmed they (Cover) just got permission to play the game so there might be more of the Hololive folks playing through it in the coming months.
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Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
You do not have to settle for 'idol fans are crazy '(and again, I would push back against the idea that idol fans and Japanese fandom is uniquely bad in this regard- lest we look at how wetstern neckbeards responded to an Asian woman lead in star wars)
There does not have to be a rule in place by cover that bans talent from collaborating if their inaction functionally does the same thing by allowing the fanbse to dictate what is and is not allowable
Their unwillingness to protect their CN branch when they were caught in the crossfire, their complete disinterest in staffing their moderation team, the lack of oversight on their reddit, I could go on for literally pages about how Cover continually fails its labor force
All of these are actions driven by a paralysing fear of losing capital now instead of protecting their talent and revenue streams long term
I would reckon that since Hololive has a more international base (as a percentage), it's less likely that Japanese fans dominate cultural attitudes towards them. As far as fans are concerned, this is more of an opportunity than anything else, especially as Cover has put its chips in the western market.
I'm willing to believe that Cover's in over its head for a lot of things and doesn't have a globally minded genius at the helm - but if it's unsustainable, if it can't support its talent, this problem will regretfully solve itself. I have a bit of faith that good intentions can win. If they solicit feedback I will have something prepared.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
This comes from the other side as well with the Stars not wanting to be seen as leeching from their more popular seniors, or are themselves too shy.
This doesn't mean that management is blameless, but there's always more to consider than the obvious.
The publisher, X.D. Network Inc., is Chinese and either revoked their permission to stream the games or Cover proactively did it to cover their asses, we don't know for sure since there wasn't an official statement from either side. The only statement I could find was made by the developers of the game, PeroPeroGames, saying they had no idea what was going on and to direct any complaints to their publisher.
That whole thing is also very very likely the reason why Nene's getting a completely new, permanent design change that is replacing her current model (instead of being an additional outfit).
Another very funny 5th gen moment, I really do think their group dynamics are uniquely good amongst the JP members.
Now I understand why Coco is so tough because she was being honed by the strongest anti the entire time
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A lot of people did, which is why her channel lost over a million views when those videos were removed.
And the part where the talent in question says that they were told that they could keep their models, only to have that agreement revoked by cover immediately before they 'graduated,' leaving them without any immediate way to stream as vtubers?
That came from the CN side in the middle of negotiating their exit and Cover never confirmed it. They did finish and deliver the new costumes and updated models before they graduated.
It couldn't have helped that many of the CN talents were hinting at support for the Chinese antis or outright stating it...
From my perspective, I tend to align with Paladin's view that Cover's been caught somewhat flat footed with their growth and are continuing to experience plenty of growing pains. It's not like other talent agencies in this fairly new space haven't also had to face their own challenges. Best we can hope for is that they are able to learn from their mistakes and keep improving in a positive direction, without falling into a truly devastating trap. I feel okay in retaining that hope for now.
edit: Just noticed that my webcam turns on automatically while I was watching Rushia's livestream, turns off after I switched to something else. Did anyone have this strange problem?
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So we are consistently siding with the large corporation instead of believing laborers
Cover has been doing this for literal years now, and is stull uniquely bad at protecting its workforce, either through passive inaction or deliberate inaction
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