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[DCEU]: James Gunn saves THE SUICIDE SQUAD

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    To paraphrase a misogynist bully who also worked on a film called Justice League, my days of not taking Zack Snyder seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

  • MatevMatev Cero Miedo Registered User regular
    joshgotro wrote: »
    It's from The Killing Joke. Just know it's dumb.

    It's uh.... it's not?

    It's a channer meme riffing on a Seinfeld quote I thought?

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    zack snyder has won

    either he is rolling with the meme, displaying a level of self-awareness hitherto not in evidence, or he is displaying levels of pure zack snyder deeper than anybody thought possible

    he cannot be stopped...

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  • BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    This is Zack Snyder's world, we just slow mo live in it

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Somewhat off topic, but I also still find the whole "We live in a society" thing a bit puzzling, mainly because I'd only heard/read it as a snarky reference or punchline, e.g. in Lindsay Ellis' videos and podcasts, and if you just get a reference to a reference, it can be difficult if not impossible to understand the whole thing. Which makes it all the more cryptic when Snyder has the Joker use the line in what seems like an entirely earnest way.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    zack snyder has won

    either he is rolling with the meme, displaying a level of self-awareness hitherto not in evidence, or he is displaying levels of pure zack snyder deeper than anybody thought possible

    he cannot be stopped...

    It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with...it doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear...and it absolutely will not stop. Ever.

    Personally, I didn't care about the 'society' line because I'm not that tapped into the meme-verse, but I did think that Leto was done up with more Ledger style makeup, which annoyed me.

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  • joshgotrojoshgotro Almost Indiana Registered User regular
    Matev wrote: »
    joshgotro wrote: »
    It's from The Killing Joke. Just know it's dumb.

    It's uh.... it's not?

    It's a channer meme riffing on a Seinfeld quote I thought?

    I definitely could have went into more detail about the Joker in The Killing Joke just being a 'normal" person who got a bad run of life, "in a society". Which keeps popping up in Joker iterations and the meme attached to it. My bad.

    does it?
  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Well... From the trailer it looks like a bad movie. BUT, it looks like just ONE bad movie.

    The Justice League we got the first time was three bad movies wearing a trenchcoat with "GOOD MOOVIE" stitched into the back, full of these little parasitic embryos of better movies that just made the rest depressing in contrast, so "a bad movie" could still be an improvement, even if it's just getting rid of the good parts so the polish on the rest of the turd can really pop.

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  • JoolanderJoolander Registered User regular
    If I remember right this one is the length of three movies

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    I'm going to regret asking this, but what is the significance of this Joker/society thing? I assume it's a meme I've completely missed?
    Originally a Seinfeld quote adopted into cringe/incel memes, who added Joker to it. They're... uncomfortably bad. There was a push to get Phoenix to say it in the Joker movie a few years ago.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    Somewhat off topic, but I also still find the whole "We live in a society" thing a bit puzzling, mainly because I'd only heard/read it as a snarky reference or punchline, e.g. in Lindsay Ellis' videos and podcasts, and if you just get a reference to a reference, it can be difficult if not impossible to understand the whole thing. Which makes it all the more cryptic when Snyder has the Joker use the line in what seems like an entirely earnest way.

    There is about an 82% chance Snyder thought it was a famous comic line and did not care to track down it's provenance.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I don't get the whole Joker "we live in a society" thing either, but I'm willing to bet it's because I'm not edgelordy enough to buy that it actually means something rather than being a phrase blown wildly out of context/totally misunderstood by people way, way, way too creepily into adoring the Joker.

    So instead I just have to accept that it's a thing I'm aware of as a good indicator of people way too fucking into the Joker.

  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    I don't get the whole Joker "we live in a society" thing either, but I'm willing to bet it's because I'm not edgelordy enough to buy that it actually means something rather than being a phrase blown wildly out of context/totally misunderstood by people way, way, way too creepily into adoring the Joker.

    So instead I just have to accept that it's a thing I'm aware of as a good indicator of people way too fucking into the Joker.

    So I can't use that line when someone cuts in line or when the person in the middle seat of the airplane doesn't get to have both armrests?

    Come on! :(

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    Somewhat off topic, but I also still find the whole "We live in a society" thing a bit puzzling, mainly because I'd only heard/read it as a snarky reference or punchline, e.g. in Lindsay Ellis' videos and podcasts, and if you just get a reference to a reference, it can be difficult if not impossible to understand the whole thing. Which makes it all the more cryptic when Snyder has the Joker use the line in what seems like an entirely earnest way.

    There is about an 82% chance Snyder thought it was a famous comic line and did not care to track down it's provenance.
    So the impression I'm getting is this is like putting "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" in The Last Stand?

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    Orca wrote: »
    I don't get the whole Joker "we live in a society" thing either, but I'm willing to bet it's because I'm not edgelordy enough to buy that it actually means something rather than being a phrase blown wildly out of context/totally misunderstood by people way, way, way too creepily into adoring the Joker.

    So instead I just have to accept that it's a thing I'm aware of as a good indicator of people way too fucking into the Joker.

    So I can't use that line when someone cuts in line or when the person in the middle seat of the airplane doesn't get to have both armrests?

    Come on! :(

    To human beings, it's just a Seinfield joke, so you're good!

    Unless you say it in some deeply eye-rollingly ominous way with a dumb chuckle/laugh after it, to make it super-obvious you're referencing the Joker while completely missing how dumb it is and that absolutely nobody will think you're a cool dude for being so obviously hostile to a "normie". Then it's just edgelordy and you aren't on a plane anyway because you're probably on a no-fly list for something dumb.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Probably the best explanation of we live in a society:
    Though he never canonically said it until now, the phrase "We live in a society" was wildly popular among those who felt that they, too, were ostracized. These self-declared social rejects not only celebrated their otherness, but also mocked those who were still "in" with the rest of society as sheep. According to this edgy Joker fan logic, those who broke away from the collective were innately better than those who stayed.

    So yes, edgelord crap that of course Snyder would embrace.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    even that explanation makes no goddamn sense to me

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    It doesn't help me that I'm getting interference from Margaret Thatcher's "There's no such thing as society."

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    There is no society, and we live in it.
    This is coming close to being philosophy.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    I mean it's just another internet meme. They're all billion-layers-deep absurdist or ironic one liners. There's no rational explanation for why any of them are popular or how any of them make sense.

    Know Your Meme is probably the closest anyone can get to a wikipedia for cataloging the history of memes and even their origin for this one is messy (and also probably NSFW). It seems like "we live in a society" started as one meme when it got entangled with a different "Gamer Joker" meme that was itself already deeply steeped in irony.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen DOOG Registered User regular
    There's no need to dig deep for understanding a meme, just let it exist. If Joker also says you get what you fucking deserve then we all stand up and clap.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    even that explanation makes no goddamn sense to me

    It really started up in the Hong Kong equivalent of 4chan. Then the related words attached mutated until we got the non-specific "we live in a society."

    In other words: the internet.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    even that explanation makes no goddamn sense to me

    It really started up in the Hong Kong equivalent of 4chan. Then the related words attached mutated until we got the non-specific "we live in a society."

    In other words: the internet.

    Jesus

    Needs a goddamn PHD thesis to explain and have it make sense, and the real answer seems to be "the internet" like you said.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    I thought it actually came from the recent Joker movie.

    I guess I learned my lesson about not watching movies that don’t appeal to me.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    I thought it actually came from the recent Joker movie.

    I guess I learned my lesson about not watching movies that don’t appeal to me.

    There was a petition to have that phrase said in the Joker movie. There's no way Snyder didn't notice.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    I mean it's just another internet meme. They're all billion-layers-deep absurdist or ironic one liners. There's no rational explanation for why any of them are popular or how any of them make sense.

    Know Your Meme is probably the closest anyone can get to a wikipedia for cataloging the history of memes and even their origin for this one is messy (and also probably NSFW). It seems like "we live in a society" started as one meme when it got entangled with a different "Gamer Joker" meme that was itself already deeply steeped in irony.

    I was wondering why Bowsette joined Justice League's cast...

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Is it even a Seinfeld joke? Because the line I'm thinking of is this (about 1:10 in)



    When George is questioning the need to buy a gift to a party he was invited to. "The fabric of society is very complex, George".

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Is it even a Seinfeld joke? Because the line I'm thinking of is this (about 1:10 in)



    When George is questioning the need to buy a gift to a party he was invited to. "The fabric of society is very complex, George".

    I think this is supposed to be the Seinfeld clip:

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  • ouchiesouchies Registered User regular
    If someone could talk me down from off the ledge on this, I'd really appreciate it. It seems to me like this "we live in a society" line is entirely intentional on Snyder's part. Snyder himself is an edge lord dork, he has said stuff in the past adjacent to "people that think my movies are bad are just SJW cucks, and when they say my movies are bad, they're just saying it to be woke." The Gamer Joker meme is a product of, or at least has been co-opted by the hardcore incel community. At this point, Poe's Law doesn't matter: Gamer Joker = incel; the original intent doesn't matter if it is now so heavily associated with those degenerates. There was a petition to add a "we live in a society" line to the previous Joker movie. There is no way Snyder doesn't know about that line, the meme, or the movement behind it. Snyder's inclusion of that line in this train wreck is either him directly endorsing their position or beliefs or it is him trying so badly to be ironic which will only be seen by those people as an endorsement anyway, so what's the difference in practical terms. And even thinking it's Snyder's attempt to be ironic is still granting him the benefit of the doubt when so many of his other views and positions are already known. This dude's passion project is "The Fountainhead" for fuck's sake.

    Snyder sucks as a human being and a film maker, and the more he is cast out by the critics and fans, the harder he doubles down on toxic behavior and attitudes and there is, sadly, an eager audience for it. Zack Snyder could come out as a Proud Boy and not a single person would be surprised.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    ouchies wrote: »
    If someone could talk me down from off the ledge on this, I'd really appreciate it.

    It's a shitty movie from like 732 MCU movies ago with the good parts cut out in favor of more shit. Everything you said is probably true but this literally reheated turd of a movie isn't worth the anguish.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him Bury me at Lone Tree DenRegistered User regular
    Snyder is a garbage person

    It is known

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    It's sad that Whedon was apparently so toxic on set that Snyder still came across as the nice guy by comparison.

    The only DCU films I've actually ever watched are wonder woman, aquaman, and birds of prey.

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  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    It's sad that Whedon was apparently so toxic on set that Snyder still came across as the nice guy by comparison.

    The only DCU films I've actually ever watched are wonder woman, aquaman, and birds of prey.

    You mean the only fun ones? Shazam's also fun.

    The rest aren't worth your time.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent The World on This SideRegistered User regular
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard Snyder is actually easy to work with and runs a good set, he's just... well, kind of weird. (re: a giant nerd)

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Yeah, I've never heard anything about Snyder being rotten as a person, he just makes shitty movies.

    I mean, the worst thing I know to level against him is that he had a way out of making fuckawful DC movies and he decided to come back like he had some kind of point to prove. Which just loops back in to the whole "shitty moviemaker" bit anyway.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I just want to be clear in that the "we live in a society" meme got popular as a means to mock the character. Joker has always toed the line between cool and lame, I mean his is a glorified juggalo. Maybe there was a time back in like, 2012 when people weren't trying so desperately to out snark one another on reddit, when it wasn't ironic, but it certainly is now.

    There are of course people who unironically look up to joker but I'd wager most of the memes you see are actually making fun of people who enjoy the character, which makes it even more puzzling why he'd included it in the movie

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler Registered User regular
    Yeah, I've never heard anything about Snyder being rotten as a person, he just makes shitty movies.

    I mean, the worst thing I know to level against him is that he had a way out of making fuckawful DC movies and he decided to come back like he had some kind of point to prove. Which just loops back in to the whole "shitty moviemaker" bit anyway.
    I mean he's really into Ayn Rand, which is a big ol' warning sign.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent The World on This SideRegistered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Yeah, I've never heard anything about Snyder being rotten as a person, he just makes shitty movies.

    I mean, the worst thing I know to level against him is that he had a way out of making fuckawful DC movies and he decided to come back like he had some kind of point to prove. Which just loops back in to the whole "shitty moviemaker" bit anyway.
    I mean he's really into Ayn Rand, which is a big ol' warning sign.

    True, but still a far cry from being actively predatory.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    People have a hate boner for snyder but hey atleast he's not Chris Pratt actual trump supporter and donator to anti-lgbtq churches

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Yeah, I've never heard anything about Snyder being rotten as a person, he just makes shitty movies.

    I mean, the worst thing I know to level against him is that he had a way out of making fuckawful DC movies and he decided to come back like he had some kind of point to prove. Which just loops back in to the whole "shitty moviemaker" bit anyway.
    I mean he's really into Ayn Rand, which is a big ol' warning sign.

    It's a warning sign that he's dumb and privileged. He's not allegedly dangerous on a personal level, I would rather trust him to babysit than Whedon. He makes bad movies, but he also endorsed Biden and took grief from his fanbase for it. Everything about him screams clueless, not monstrous.

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