“I would rather watch one person’s chaos than a committee’s snooze-fest.”
that was a really good article - even if the movie is terrible, I am glad he is being given the shot because what wb was doing then does seem kinda fucky, and the family trauma happening at the same time...
Snyder seems like a good dude who make a very specific kind of thing who gets an undue amount of hate. A Guy Fieri, if you will.
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They've done 'Lois falls for Bruce and Superman', but generally not when she's known who's under either mask, I think.
Following the idea that 'Bruce' is the persona he puts on to fool the world, she just has a thing for alter-egos.
This has got to be parody at this point. I refuse to accept somebody would do this because they thought it was a legitimately good idea.
Fans: "WB needs to stop coming up with things by committee, and listen to the fans!"
WB: "Okay, let's try that. What are the fans asking for?"
Fans: "Snyder Cut, Snyder Cut, Snyder Cut!"
WB: "Really? Well, okay."
The real solution is they have to listen to the right fans. My consultancy rates are very reasonable.
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Literally nobody at WB knows what to do with their DC properties
“I would rather watch one person’s chaos than a committee’s snooze-fest.”
that was a really good article - even if the movie is terrible, I am glad he is being given the shot because what wb was doing then does seem kinda fucky, and the family trauma happening at the same time...
Snyder seems like a good dude who make a very specific kind of thing who gets an undue amount of hate. A Guy Fieri, if you will.
He's a Randian Objectivist but with more homophobia and the atheism replaced with Jesus. I guess it's possible for him to be a good dude, but... I don't know...
So what concerns me here is all the actors who had supposedly seen private screenings of versions of it and were praising it. Either it's a LOT better than we expect, or they hate Joss that much (which... is probably fair).
Literally nobody at WB knows what to do with their DC properties
There’s no one piloting that ship
Business as usual since WB acquired DC.
There's a fun blog post from Jim Shooter about how a few years after they bought DC they tried to hand over the comics part to Marvel (and it came very close to happening).
I'm pretty convinced that anything successful to come out of DC in, say, the last 40 years has been purely by accident. Not to diminish the very good stuff that has come out. And not to say that Marvel hasn't had similar eras of being a complete shitshow.
So what concerns me here is all the actors who had supposedly seen private screenings of versions of it and were praising it. Either it's a LOT better than we expect, or they hate Joss that much (which... is probably fair).
Actors can be quite good at hyping a project before the public has a chance to see it.
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So what concerns me here is all the actors who had supposedly seen private screenings of versions of it and were praising it. Either it's a LOT better than we expect, or they hate Joss that much (which... is probably fair).
Actors can be quite good at hyping a project before the public has a chance to see it.
So what concerns me here is all the actors who had supposedly seen private screenings of versions of it and were praising it. Either it's a LOT better than we expect, or they hate Joss that much (which... is probably fair).
Actors can be quite contractually obligated at hyping a project before the public has a chance to see it.
Fixed because, let's be honest, how many times have you first heard a shit movie is shit from the star actor?
Idk the Pattinson Bats looks close to what a Beyond movie could be
Not really.
Like, the thing I took away from a lot of the BB characters was how sleek they were; the costumes, the physicallity, the colors... almost all of them were lacking in the sort of mass that defined the preceding series (which also made a lot of sense given how tech made a lot of bulk essentially meaningless. And beyond that there was that Terry was a fundamentally different person then bruce so being batman meant something completely different for him.
The Pattinson batman just seems like yet another bruce. It might be good or even great. Hell I might even love it if I watch it. But I'm frankly batman'd the fuck out at this point, since the character has been in literally dozens of projects in the past 32 years to the point where I honestly don't really care anymore about the IP due to over exposure.
Now, what would really get me excited, is them working on some more fresh IP's; stuff like Blue beetle, Booster gold, Etrigan, Swamp thing, Zatanna... all of them would get my attention in a hurry and would probably give DC a second wind at the box office.
Fuck, the most brilliant thing I've seen them put out in the past decade was Doom patrol and that show probably had a budget of like a 1/3rd of one of there big budget Trio movies.
Did you watch the Swamp Thing show they put out a few years ago? That was, hands down, the best thing DC has released in a long long time. The Blue Devil shows up. I (personally) dislike the actor who plays him, and I still wanted that dude to get a Blue Devil show when the series ended.
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Reading comics for so long and everyone hooking up with everyone at some point, Bruce and Lois getting together can work for a short term thing. It's no Batman/WW OTP but I can see it working for the first act or two.
That is a good Vanity Fair article, Nolan wanting to protect Snyder from seeing what they did to his film is one of those friend type things that doesn't feel like it's a fake Hollywood thing.
Given that Nolan quit MoS because he got overruled by Snyder and Goyer on creative decisions (along with having no involvement with DC projects after the fact) makes me skeptical that he wanted to shield him at any point.
I can see someone not wanting to be on a project because of creative differences, and still being upset when the person who got creative control gets fucked over by the studio.
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“I would rather watch one person’s chaos than a committee’s snooze-fest.”
that was a really good article - even if the movie is terrible, I am glad he is being given the shot because what wb was doing then does seem kinda fucky, and the family trauma happening at the same time...
Snyder seems like a good dude who make a very specific kind of thing who gets an undue amount of hate. A Guy Fieri, if you will.
He's a Randian Objectivist but with more homophobia and the atheism replaced with Jesus. I guess it's possible for him to be a good dude, but... I don't know...
There's a Sondheim song for this: "Nice" is different from "good."
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...that's kind of an interesting idea, if handled well.
But Bruce and Diana are right there and also have way more chemistry.
Having just watched JL/U again I can confirm, their relationship was handled perfectly in that show. For me that is the pinnacle of Justice League. I'd watch upconverts of that on a big screen over any of the new movies.
...that's kind of an interesting idea, if handled well.
But Bruce and Diana are right there and also have way more chemistry.
Having just watched JL/U again I can confirm, their relationship was handled perfectly in that show. For me that is the pinnacle of Justice League. I'd watch upconverts of that on a big screen over any of the new movies.
Thing is, the animation department made that with legitimate love, respect and understanding all of which are things that Zack has proven utterly incapable of.
...that's kind of an interesting idea, if handled well.
But Bruce and Diana are right there and also have way more chemistry.
Having just watched JL/U again I can confirm, their relationship was handled perfectly in that show. For me that is the pinnacle of Justice League. I'd watch upconverts of that on a big screen over any of the new movies.
Thing is, the animation department made that with legitimate love, respect and understanding all of which are things that Zack has proven utterly incapable of.
Superheroes are supposed to be bright and colorful! Shazam is the only DCEU movie that did a decent job bringing that out, and to a lesser extent WW and MoS. Aquaman was bright and colorful but I was forgetting that movie as I watched it so..can't really speak much to it.
...that's kind of an interesting idea, if handled well.
But Bruce and Diana are right there and also have way more chemistry.
Having just watched JL/U again I can confirm, their relationship was handled perfectly in that show. For me that is the pinnacle of Justice League. I'd watch upconverts of that on a big screen over any of the new movies.
Thing is, the animation department made that with legitimate love, respect and understanding all of which are things that Zack has proven utterly incapable of.
Superheroes are supposed to be bright and colorful! Shazam is the only DCEU movie that did a decent job bringing that out, and to a lesser extent WW and MoS. Aquaman was bright and colorful but I was forgetting that movie as I watched it so..can't really speak much to it.
Even putting aside the shoddy use of color there is a fundamnetal failure to understand the subject matter that is being utilized; Batman being a homocidal maniac operating under a guilty until proven innocent mentality, superman being miserable saving people, completely missing the context of both Dark knight returns and the death of superman... this comes across as someone who just utterly does not get the characters at any level.
Some of the best and iconic comic stories are dark in subject matter. Yes, superman and wonder woman are extremely positive and fun characters and we need those kinds of movies, but trying to pretend like someone like Batman's most iconic stories aren't dark as hell is silly.
It's ok to not like what came before, it doesn't mean the Robert Pattinson batflick will be bad by default because it's a style you're personally tired of seeing
Agreed, which is one reason I think the constant need of these directors to make Joker (as the most obvious example) "edgier" with each release is so silly..in a lot of the comics and cartoons he's a completely serious character who just goes about things in a very unserious way. Most of these characters don't need to get remade as realistic grimdark, the campiness is part of the charm that takes the edge off of stories that a lot of the times deal with very adult themes.
Some of the best and iconic comic stories are dark in subject matter. Yes, superman and wonder woman are extremely positive and fun characters and we need those kinds of movies, but trying to pretend like someone like Batman's most iconic stories aren't dark as hell is silly.
It's ok to not like what came before, it doesn't mean the Robert Pattinson batflick will be bad by default because it's a style you're personally tired of seeing
Nobody is pretending that everything is sunshine and lollypops all the time with these characters. My contention however is that superman is ultimately a character rooted in hope and altruism. When these themes are ultimately dumpstered there *needs* to be an extremely good reason and for it to be made clear that this isn't normal but rather an outlier for the character.
Like, the equivalent tonal shift would be batman descending on some gangbangers who were mugging some people and asking them all to sit around in a drum circle so they can talk about their feelings while wearing a cardigan. I'm sure at some point theres been a batman that was that much of a hippy but it is not in fact an appropriate representation of the character as a baseline.
I think every actor is tempted to put their own "spin" on the character as best they can. Leto is unprecedented in that he's kinda getting a redo. It does make me wonder how much of his first iteration was Goyer or Leto, and if the new one is Snyder or Leto yet again lmao
My super unpopular Opinion is that Suicide Squad was actually a very fun movie that did a much better job capturing the campiness of the comics while mixing it with some more serious themes. Obviously it's far from perfect but I enjoyed it quite a bit more than most of the other DCEU movies, and I think Leto's Joker in that was actually a fun take (despite the character design being a little..overdone).
Some of the more iconic Superman stories are about him not being explicitly the good guy. But I do agree, they can do better. I think my issue with people saying it's easy to make a good Superman flick, because I don't think it is... It's why Superman Returns falls a little flat, it tries to emulate the original films but loses some of the charm by not making the characters their own. DC just doesn't know how to handle most of their properties.
My super unpopular Opinion is that Suicide Squad was actually a very fun movie that did a much better job capturing the campiness of the comics while mixing it with some more serious themes. Obviously it's far from perfect but I enjoyed it quite a bit more than most of the other DCEU movies, and I think Leto's Joker in that was actually a fun take (despite the character design being a little..overdone).
I'll say this, he plays the abusive boyfriend archetype a little too well
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The rumor was always that if Snyder Cut does well, they'll allow an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad, and I'd like to see that. I always said for me Suicide Squad worked until they reach the target they're supposed to extract, then it hits a wall because the editing can't really help when you need to hit character moments and the final fight.
Some of the more iconic Superman stories are about him not being explicitly the good guy. But I do agree, they can do better. I think my issue with people saying it's easy to make a good Superman flick, because I don't think it is... It's why Superman Returns falls a little flat, it tries to emulate the original films but loses some of the charm by not making the characters their own. DC just doesn't know how to handle most of their properties.
Honestly, If I was going to do a superman movie I'd probably tell it from the perspective of a side character, Like lets say for the hell of it lois lane who is a blogger and trying to figure out who he is and why he does the things he does, with the ultimate reveal being that it's because he wants to believe that the world can be a better place and thus lives the way he thinks it should be; Contrast the selfless optimism that is at the core of the character with the utter cynicism of the world in which he lives. Have Lois do her report on the simplicity of this and show a world that is impacted by this.
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Lois figures out his secret identity within five seconds of meeting him, then spends the next two years going increasingly mad trying to figure out the nefarious reason he hides his identity. Guest stars The Question, who is utterly uninterested in Lois's story but thinks it's a solid lead on the inexplicable propagation of croc shoes.
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7’ feet tall, broad bodied, muscular and cut like a marble statue. When she catches a car I want it to look like she maybe wouldn’t need super strength to do it.
The rumor was always that if Snyder Cut does well, they'll allow an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad, and I'd like to see that. I always said for me Suicide Squad worked until they reach the target they're supposed to extract, then it hits a wall because the editing can't really help when you need to hit character moments and the final fight.
This would be great. The ending did turn into a mess with too much going on and not enough time to flesh things out.
The rumor was always that if Snyder Cut does well, they'll allow an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad, and I'd like to see that. I always said for me Suicide Squad worked until they reach the target they're supposed to extract, then it hits a wall because the editing can't really help when you need to hit character moments and the final fight.
The rumor was always that if Snyder Cut does well, they'll allow an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad, and I'd like to see that. I always said for me Suicide Squad worked until they reach the target they're supposed to extract, then it hits a wall because the editing can't really help when you need to hit character moments and the final fight.
Well, supposedly Joker was meant to have a bigger role, and be more of an antagonist, but some idiot(re: exec meddling) wanted more of an 'epic' threat, so we got Enchantress.
The rumor was always that if Snyder Cut does well, they'll allow an Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad, and I'd like to see that. I always said for me Suicide Squad worked until they reach the target they're supposed to extract, then it hits a wall because the editing can't really help when you need to hit character moments and the final fight.
Well, supposedly Joker was meant to have a bigger role, and be more of an antagonist, but some idiot(re: exec meddling) wanted more of an 'epic' threat, so we got Enchantress.
An epic threat for a rag tag team of street level criminals?
The whole pitch behind The Suicide Squad always killed me. "We needed to pull a team of criminals we regular humans were able to keep in prison just in case Superman went rogue." As if a rogue Superman wouldn't turn the entire team into street paste in a second if he wanted.
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that was a really good article - even if the movie is terrible, I am glad he is being given the shot because what wb was doing then does seem kinda fucky, and the family trauma happening at the same time...
Snyder seems like a good dude who make a very specific kind of thing who gets an undue amount of hate. A Guy Fieri, if you will.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Nah
It’s a contrivance and has been done a dozen times already
Following the idea that 'Bruce' is the persona he puts on to fool the world, she just has a thing for alter-egos.
Fans: "WB needs to stop coming up with things by committee, and listen to the fans!"
WB: "Okay, let's try that. What are the fans asking for?"
Fans: "Snyder Cut, Snyder Cut, Snyder Cut!"
WB: "Really? Well, okay."
The real solution is they have to listen to the right fans. My consultancy rates are very reasonable.
There’s no one piloting that ship
He's a Randian Objectivist but with more homophobia and the atheism replaced with Jesus. I guess it's possible for him to be a good dude, but... I don't know...
*Posts clip from the 90s animated Batman/Superman teamups for the 47th time*
Business as usual since WB acquired DC.
There's a fun blog post from Jim Shooter about how a few years after they bought DC they tried to hand over the comics part to Marvel (and it came very close to happening).
I'm pretty convinced that anything successful to come out of DC in, say, the last 40 years has been purely by accident. Not to diminish the very good stuff that has come out. And not to say that Marvel hasn't had similar eras of being a complete shitshow.
The Snyder thing is likely his personal last shot at the franchise tho
Actors can be quite good at hyping a project before the public has a chance to see it.
Fixed because, let's be honest, how many times have you first heard a shit movie is shit from the star actor?
Did you watch the Swamp Thing show they put out a few years ago? That was, hands down, the best thing DC has released in a long long time. The Blue Devil shows up. I (personally) dislike the actor who plays him, and I still wanted that dude to get a Blue Devil show when the series ended.
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That is a good Vanity Fair article, Nolan wanting to protect Snyder from seeing what they did to his film is one of those friend type things that doesn't feel like it's a fake Hollywood thing.
There's a Sondheim song for this: "Nice" is different from "good."
But Bruce and Diana are right there and also have way more chemistry.
Having just watched JL/U again I can confirm, their relationship was handled perfectly in that show. For me that is the pinnacle of Justice League. I'd watch upconverts of that on a big screen over any of the new movies.
Thing is, the animation department made that with legitimate love, respect and understanding all of which are things that Zack has proven utterly incapable of.
Superheroes are supposed to be bright and colorful! Shazam is the only DCEU movie that did a decent job bringing that out, and to a lesser extent WW and MoS. Aquaman was bright and colorful but I was forgetting that movie as I watched it so..can't really speak much to it.
Even putting aside the shoddy use of color there is a fundamnetal failure to understand the subject matter that is being utilized; Batman being a homocidal maniac operating under a guilty until proven innocent mentality, superman being miserable saving people, completely missing the context of both Dark knight returns and the death of superman... this comes across as someone who just utterly does not get the characters at any level.
It's ok to not like what came before, it doesn't mean the Robert Pattinson batflick will be bad by default because it's a style you're personally tired of seeing
Nobody is pretending that everything is sunshine and lollypops all the time with these characters. My contention however is that superman is ultimately a character rooted in hope and altruism. When these themes are ultimately dumpstered there *needs* to be an extremely good reason and for it to be made clear that this isn't normal but rather an outlier for the character.
Like, the equivalent tonal shift would be batman descending on some gangbangers who were mugging some people and asking them all to sit around in a drum circle so they can talk about their feelings while wearing a cardigan. I'm sure at some point theres been a batman that was that much of a hippy but it is not in fact an appropriate representation of the character as a baseline.
I'll say this, he plays the abusive boyfriend archetype a little too well
Honestly, If I was going to do a superman movie I'd probably tell it from the perspective of a side character, Like lets say for the hell of it lois lane who is a blogger and trying to figure out who he is and why he does the things he does, with the ultimate reveal being that it's because he wants to believe that the world can be a better place and thus lives the way he thinks it should be; Contrast the selfless optimism that is at the core of the character with the utter cynicism of the world in which he lives. Have Lois do her report on the simplicity of this and show a world that is impacted by this.
7’ feet tall, broad bodied, muscular and cut like a marble statue. When she catches a car I want it to look like she maybe wouldn’t need super strength to do it.
This would be great. The ending did turn into a mess with too much going on and not enough time to flesh things out.
Should have gone the other way around.
Well, supposedly Joker was meant to have a bigger role, and be more of an antagonist, but some idiot(re: exec meddling) wanted more of an 'epic' threat, so we got Enchantress.
An epic threat for a rag tag team of street level criminals?
Okay.