Since my group is in full raid-log mode already, I started a toon on Classic Era, since it seems to be having a slight uptick in activity. Not sure how far I’ll go but does have me nostalgic for a fresh Classic/SOM2, just you know…done right.
waiting but not hopeful. there have been some rumors and datamining that new hardcore realms have been seeded with fully supported rules instead of just the SOM buff, but its unclear if those will be part of an SOM2 or just something to tack on to era
i dont think im interested in hardcore. i occasionally log on to whitemane to beat up a few skeletons but otherwise just waiting for them to try something, anything
Having seen the hardcore classic community on twitch and the griefing and whining that goes with it. Hardcore realms would be a fucking nightmare for everyone, players, gms, etc. Only people having a good time there would be griefers.
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huh, looks like the eras are *really* picking up steam. a month ago it was pretty much just BB touching Medium pop with Whitemane cluster playable but still fairly small and always "Low".
I would log in and there'd be an okay number of people in Westfall/RR but anything past that was a ghost town... now there's pretty solid distribution everywhere... and both Whitemane cluster and Pagle cluster are medium pop and pretty solid numbers everywhere except PVE horde looking slightly thin but not bad
I’m on the PvE cluster (only level 10, heh) and it’s very Alliance-favored. I might play a little more but I’m also sorta waiting for an SoM 2 announcement of some kind, even if it’s far off
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MortiousThe Nightmare BeginsMove to New ZealandRegistered Userregular
I only raid 10m so it’s a bit easier, but healing Algalon as an rdruid without an hpal is some tense stuff. We did get a kill last week, though. Only FL HM and Yogg 0 left, but I sense a rapid loss of interest in my group. Kinda worn on Ulduar myself, a little sooner than I thought I’d be honestly.
Interested in coming back to Classic. Actually, super interested. I've reinstalled, just looking for a place to hang. My Classic Warrior was full BiS going into Naxx, but I transferred him over to BC when that launched and never actually played after that. I saw that he's in Wrath Era now.
I'd love to start fresh again on Classic, but I'd be so far behind it kind of feels like, what's the point? Lol. But I could certainly play something that's less gear-dependent than a Warrior, which would mitigate the disadvantage of coming in late, I guess. Are there any plans for Blizzard to restart Classic again fresh? That would be absolutely ideal.
And also, if you've got a guild on Classic Era and you need someone, let me know. I'm flexible in terms of class and spec and role, and have about as much raiding / end-game experience as you can have for that Era.
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There's likely to be a second "Season of Mastery" sometime soonish for a fresh start in classic, but that's unconfirmed at the moment. By it's nature though that's not going to be a long-term thing.
Vanilla is seeing apparently seeing bit of a resurgence lately, so it might be worth hopping in and seeing if theres a load of activity there.
I'm also itching for some fresh Classic. Wrath is kinda whatever at this point.
I started some characters on Classic Era - there seems to be some activity but monitoring the LFG channel and checking /who for the various raids, it's not that much. That's on the PvE cluster though. The PvP cluster might be more happening but that's not my scene.
Note, there is a cool new addon called VoiceOver that some guy made, using AI to generate VO for questgivers. Not all of the character voices are perfect yet, but I'm really enjoying actually learning why I'm collecting bear asses or whatever, instead of just blowing through the quest text. Hopefully Blizzard aren't dicks and don't cease-and-desist it.
It's mostly just the hardcore junk that people are bandwagoning right now. I hear classic era is seeing some growth since the first season of mastery ended and the retpocalypse on retail. I imagine there won't be a second SoM though until some time after 10.1 and diablo 4 launch just because they don't want to compete against themselves.
i dont think theres really demand for HC. its just the new fad for streamers that will pass in a month or two. it just so happened when ret was insane in retail and shortly before the next content patch. so people dont want to invest in crazy unbalanced pvp or really any gear in retail because it will all be replaced in a couple weeks. it was very similar when classic came out at all. huge influx of players and was dead like 2 months later.
I think there’s at least some interest in HC (I have less than zero interest myself). I only hope if Blizz does release fresh servers/SOM 2, that HC folks get their own server type. It may die down after two weeks but whatever, keep ‘em separated.
All said, seems to be radio silence from Blizz anyway, about fresh, 3.2, anything. I guess they’re busy with D4/OW2/retail, which sucks for us Classic enjoyers.
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I think there's still good odds on ToC/Phase 3 for wotlk coming sometime in May, trying to string Ulduar along into June is going to get mighty tiring as I think most guilds are firmly into farm mode for whatever content they can do now.
Part of me wonders if it's due to them not being 100% sure on how to do the Normal/Heroic lockout split as I expect that to play merry hell with the whole attempts thing for the raid, or maybe even streamlining the tier loot acquisition a bit to line up with the ICC model a bit better.
I think there’s at least some interest in HC (I have less than zero interest myself). I only hope if Blizz does release fresh servers/SOM 2, that HC folks get their own server type. It may die down after two weeks but whatever, keep ‘em separated.
All said, seems to be radio silence from Blizz anyway, about fresh, 3.2, anything. I guess they’re busy with D4/OW2/retail, which sucks for us Classic enjoyers.
It'd be nice so that the hardcore community doesn't murder a pve server like they did in SOM. Like the west coast PVE server if you didn't want to do hardcore was basically blacked out for you.
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i dont think theres really demand for HC. its just the new fad for streamers that will pass in a month or two. it just so happened when ret was insane in retail and shortly before the next content patch. so people dont want to invest in crazy unbalanced pvp or really any gear in retail because it will all be replaced in a couple weeks. it was very similar when classic came out at all. huge influx of players and was dead like 2 months later.
HC has been going on now since before BC even launched and has done nothing but steadily increase in popularity. How many years does something have to boom before it's not a fad anymore?
i dont think theres really demand for HC. its just the new fad for streamers that will pass in a month or two. it just so happened when ret was insane in retail and shortly before the next content patch. so people dont want to invest in crazy unbalanced pvp or really any gear in retail because it will all be replaced in a couple weeks. it was very similar when classic came out at all. huge influx of players and was dead like 2 months later.
HC has been going on now since before BC even launched and has done nothing but steadily increase in popularity. How many years does something have to boom before it's not a fad anymore?
Anything someone older or younger than me does is/was a fad. Anything my generation does or did is not. Pretty straightforward honestly.
im pretty sure its exactly my generation that is fueling anything classic related because anyone older doesnt really play games and anyone younger doesnt give a fuck about wow. i dont think we can say its "booming" when its one server per fucking continent, especially when the classic servers have a much lower threshold than live servers for what is high/full pop.
I jumped into Bloodsail Buccaneers, which is High Pop and the realm that everyone is doing HC on. I did a quick /who 60 and all the folks I saw were in the same guild. I reached out to a Mage, just said I was thinking about rolling here, wondered if they could maybe point me in the direction of some raiding guilds.
They said that there's only one guild that raids on BB, and it's HC. Which, like, I dunno. To be honest, it doesn't appeal to me at all. It's one thing to not die? But my understanding is that you can't trade items, can't use the AH, etc. Nothing. So how the fuck do I get a Lionheart Helm? Are the Tanks running around without Dark Iron Plate? If they are, they can't use Greater Fire Protection Pots? How the fuck am I supposed to get hold of Devilsaur gear? Or Black Dragonscale armor for resists?
How the fuck are you supposed to do Vael? Like, obviously you can kill him before he starts throwing out Burning Adrenaline, but good luck when your whole raid isn't properly equipped lol.
So you get to Vael and there's just a % chance every raid that your whole career is ruined? Fuck that, lol. Maybe I'm missing something.
Anyway, I genuinely want to raid on Classic Era. I just don't know where to go. Every Server reddit I look up just has info on Wrath Classic, which I'm not really into.
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afaik you can trade but only with other hardcore folks, also i found out recently that if you hearth out with burning adrenaline you don't die, which is interesting. I'd just assumed you'd loose roughly 15% of your raid every time which seemed bonkers.
I think SoM is definitely going to be the thing to watch for a more active population, but realistically you're only going to get a handful of raid guilds at most on a Classic server these days, as you say pretty much everyone's moved on to Wrath/TBC and not looked back
im pretty sure its exactly my generation that is fueling anything classic related because anyone older doesnt really play games and anyone younger doesnt give a fuck about wow.
This is a wild generalization. I’ve played Classic since launch and I’ve regularly played with people across ages 20-60. There’s a mix of older nostalgia players (me) and younger people discovering it for the first time. Some games are generationally-skewed; WoW has never been that.
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WoW's population (both classic and live) is definitely skewed towards people who started playing WoW in 2004-2008, which does mean a lot of 35-year-olds, but it's not exclusive to them.
Classic just isn't that popular outside the first few months after an xpack releases. It's not really that surprising -- most games work that way.
Apparently you just need to reach 60 for the community to give you the immortal rank/title. There's a thing here about trying to beat Ragnaros in hardcore mode but otherwise raiding is not mentioned. There are a bunch of other rules/restrictions though that sound pretty important to the overall experience, including verification and an appeal system for getting griefed. Which means official Blizzard HC could easily be a disaster if they ignore all this and just implement a simple "delete character" flag.
I've been doing the HC thing. I like it because I hate hate hate racing through content which is all Classic/BC/Wrath turned out to be on release. What I like about it is the fact that you can chill out/go slow and BS in guild chat with a bunch of randos.
There's definitely a big "streamer" component to it, but you can pretty much ignore it. People don't really make a big deal about it inside the actual game, at least not that I've seen.
But if they release an "official" version, I'll probably stick to the unofficial server because I am very specifically NOT trying to be the best/most hardcore.
there's a ton of people on the non-HC servers just playing and enjoying right now. since the era servers are already played out ("phase seven") there's no unifying agenda or timetable in the community
and it is *packed*. i haven't seen so many people at the inns since classic release.
the phase seven aspect to the flavor of the era servers makes me question if I'd even want to play a fresh, because we're going to get a lot of backwash from the leading edge servers once wrath is done and it will look just like era did in phase 6 (bad)
Stands to reason than SOM2 is likely coming (Brian Birmingham recently tweeted something hopeful, I don’t have it handy). Waiting to see what that is before I decide what to do next.
As it is, Ulduar got old, my guild folded up due to roster boss, so I let my sub expire. I might come back for ToC, I might not. I’m having plenty of fun playing other games.
An official server would be griefer central, I doubt bliz wants that hassle
That's definitely something that could happen early on, you can do some serious bullshit with kiting mobs into other people as classes well equipped to do that, but the risk of being a griefer goes up the more time you invest and level up, as the griefers themselves could just.......die. As opposed to now, where they simply get up again.
An official server would be griefer central, I doubt bliz wants that hassle
That's definitely something that could happen early on, you can do some serious bullshit with kiting mobs into other people as classes well equipped to do that, but the risk of being a griefer goes up the more time you invest and level up, as the griefers themselves could just.......die. As opposed to now, where they simply get up again.
An official server would be griefer central, I doubt bliz wants that hassle
That's definitely something that could happen early on, you can do some serious bullshit with kiting mobs into other people as classes well equipped to do that, but the risk of being a griefer goes up the more time you invest and level up, as the griefers themselves could just.......die. As opposed to now, where they simply get up again.
If there's one thing I've seen about griefing assholes, the fact they could lose their char doesn't factor in. If anything that other people would without appeal lose theirs would make the loss worth it to them
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another leak over the weekend pointing to official hardcore servers
i think people are rightfully suspicious that officially "enforced" servers will be awful, although it was pointed out to me that some forms of griefing will become less viable because of the risk to the perpetrator, but in all I dont think it will go well
there's also some funky datamining in wrath that points to.... something... but nobody knows what yet. whatever the case it looks like Blizzard is angling for what they're going to do after ICC
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waiting but not hopeful. there have been some rumors and datamining that new hardcore realms have been seeded with fully supported rules instead of just the SOM buff, but its unclear if those will be part of an SOM2 or just something to tack on to era
i dont think im interested in hardcore. i occasionally log on to whitemane to beat up a few skeletons but otherwise just waiting for them to try something, anything
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I would log in and there'd be an okay number of people in Westfall/RR but anything past that was a ghost town... now there's pretty solid distribution everywhere... and both Whitemane cluster and Pagle cluster are medium pop and pretty solid numbers everywhere except PVE horde looking slightly thin but not bad
He hits so hard.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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Did he hit you so hard you saw stars?
I'd love to start fresh again on Classic, but I'd be so far behind it kind of feels like, what's the point? Lol. But I could certainly play something that's less gear-dependent than a Warrior, which would mitigate the disadvantage of coming in late, I guess. Are there any plans for Blizzard to restart Classic again fresh? That would be absolutely ideal.
And also, if you've got a guild on Classic Era and you need someone, let me know. I'm flexible in terms of class and spec and role, and have about as much raiding / end-game experience as you can have for that Era.
Vanilla is seeing apparently seeing bit of a resurgence lately, so it might be worth hopping in and seeing if theres a load of activity there.
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I started some characters on Classic Era - there seems to be some activity but monitoring the LFG channel and checking /who for the various raids, it's not that much. That's on the PvE cluster though. The PvP cluster might be more happening but that's not my scene.
Note, there is a cool new addon called VoiceOver that some guy made, using AI to generate VO for questgivers. Not all of the character voices are perfect yet, but I'm really enjoying actually learning why I'm collecting bear asses or whatever, instead of just blowing through the quest text. Hopefully Blizzard aren't dicks and don't cease-and-desist it.
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most whitemane players are NOT doing HC in my experience
one would hope that blizzard still enjoys money and will do something more to support this demand for vanilla
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All said, seems to be radio silence from Blizz anyway, about fresh, 3.2, anything. I guess they’re busy with D4/OW2/retail, which sucks for us Classic enjoyers.
Part of me wonders if it's due to them not being 100% sure on how to do the Normal/Heroic lockout split as I expect that to play merry hell with the whole attempts thing for the raid, or maybe even streamlining the tier loot acquisition a bit to line up with the ICC model a bit better.
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It'd be nice so that the hardcore community doesn't murder a pve server like they did in SOM. Like the west coast PVE server if you didn't want to do hardcore was basically blacked out for you.
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HC has been going on now since before BC even launched and has done nothing but steadily increase in popularity. How many years does something have to boom before it's not a fad anymore?
Anything someone older or younger than me does is/was a fad. Anything my generation does or did is not. Pretty straightforward honestly.
It's just like driving speed.
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They said that there's only one guild that raids on BB, and it's HC. Which, like, I dunno. To be honest, it doesn't appeal to me at all. It's one thing to not die? But my understanding is that you can't trade items, can't use the AH, etc. Nothing. So how the fuck do I get a Lionheart Helm? Are the Tanks running around without Dark Iron Plate? If they are, they can't use Greater Fire Protection Pots? How the fuck am I supposed to get hold of Devilsaur gear? Or Black Dragonscale armor for resists?
How the fuck are you supposed to do Vael? Like, obviously you can kill him before he starts throwing out Burning Adrenaline, but good luck when your whole raid isn't properly equipped lol.
So you get to Vael and there's just a % chance every raid that your whole career is ruined? Fuck that, lol. Maybe I'm missing something.
Anyway, I genuinely want to raid on Classic Era. I just don't know where to go. Every Server reddit I look up just has info on Wrath Classic, which I'm not really into.
I think SoM is definitely going to be the thing to watch for a more active population, but realistically you're only going to get a handful of raid guilds at most on a Classic server these days, as you say pretty much everyone's moved on to Wrath/TBC and not looked back
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This is a wild generalization. I’ve played Classic since launch and I’ve regularly played with people across ages 20-60. There’s a mix of older nostalgia players (me) and younger people discovering it for the first time. Some games are generationally-skewed; WoW has never been that.
Classic just isn't that popular outside the first few months after an xpack releases. It's not really that surprising -- most games work that way.
they do vael by hearthing out but overall a lot of HC players simply dont raid. they get to 60 and make another one
E: And Classic is a leveling game.
https://classichc.net/rules/
And if they do ever incorporate official hardcore support, I hope they include gravestones with last words on them.
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There's definitely a big "streamer" component to it, but you can pretty much ignore it. People don't really make a big deal about it inside the actual game, at least not that I've seen.
But if they release an "official" version, I'll probably stick to the unofficial server because I am very specifically NOT trying to be the best/most hardcore.
and it is *packed*. i haven't seen so many people at the inns since classic release.
the phase seven aspect to the flavor of the era servers makes me question if I'd even want to play a fresh, because we're going to get a lot of backwash from the leading edge servers once wrath is done and it will look just like era did in phase 6 (bad)
As it is, Ulduar got old, my guild folded up due to roster boss, so I let my sub expire. I might come back for ToC, I might not. I’m having plenty of fun playing other games.
That's definitely something that could happen early on, you can do some serious bullshit with kiting mobs into other people as classes well equipped to do that, but the risk of being a griefer goes up the more time you invest and level up, as the griefers themselves could just.......die. As opposed to now, where they simply get up again.
Aint dat da truth.
If there's one thing I've seen about griefing assholes, the fact they could lose their char doesn't factor in. If anything that other people would without appeal lose theirs would make the loss worth it to them
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i think people are rightfully suspicious that officially "enforced" servers will be awful, although it was pointed out to me that some forms of griefing will become less viable because of the risk to the perpetrator, but in all I dont think it will go well
there's also some funky datamining in wrath that points to.... something... but nobody knows what yet. whatever the case it looks like Blizzard is angling for what they're going to do after ICC