The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Ben Kuchera's Allegations of a Toxic Work Environment at Penny Arcade

2456730

Posts

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    Whether or not he has something to gain depends entirely on who he's hanging around. I'm sure some gamergaters would welcome him with open arms after trashing PA/any "mainstream" gaming site.

    That being said I really do wish he'd been specific. Right now there's absolutely no specificity, no real meat to latch on to.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    6 months severance is pretty damn amazing imo

    this was literally my biggest takeaway from the thread.

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    Whether or not he has something to gain depends entirely on who he's hanging around. I'm sure some gamergaters would welcome him with open arms after trashing PA/any "mainstream" gaming site.

    That being said I really do wish he'd been specific. Right now there's absolutely no specificity, no real meat to latch on to.

    What relationship does Ben have with Gamergaters? Like where is that insinuation even coming from?

    This Ben? https://www.polygon.com/2014/12/30/7460777/gamergate-2014-just-the-worst

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    I guess I kind of agree with the idea that the individual should be bolstered in a work place environment conversation, but I also hesitate to call PA a "giant corporation". It's...very much not that.

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    Whether or not he has something to gain depends entirely on who he's hanging around. I'm sure some gamergaters would welcome him with open arms after trashing PA/any "mainstream" gaming site.

    That being said I really do wish he'd been specific. Right now there's absolutely no specificity, no real meat to latch on to.

    What relationship does Ben have with Gamergaters? Like where is that insinuation even coming from?

    This Ben? https://www.polygon.com/2014/12/30/7460777/gamergate-2014-just-the-worst

    I dunno.

    You said he has nothing to gain, I'm just saying that depends entirely on who you're hanging around.

    I would have preferred some actual content to the accusations. I, along with probably everyone here who's ever worked in a toxic environment, have tons of events they can recall with some degree of specifics. I'm not saying his claims have no merit, but I am saying he needs to make better claims.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    PSN: idontworkhere582 | CFN: idontworkhere | Steam: lordbutters | Amazon Wishlist
  • MalyonsusMalyonsus Registered User regular
    Man, wrt Gamergaters, it took Penny Arcade a good long while to get any separation from that mess, and I'm still not convinced that they did it as much as the broader culture finally, thankfully, started to.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    Whether or not he has something to gain depends entirely on who he's hanging around. I'm sure some gamergaters would welcome him with open arms after trashing PA/any "mainstream" gaming site.

    That being said I really do wish he'd been specific. Right now there's absolutely no specificity, no real meat to latch on to.

    Gamergaters actually hate Kuchera and still think PA is on their side specifically because of how journalism averse G&T are and because of how anti-journalism/anti "censorship" the comic was the pre-GG era.

    I ate an engineer
  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    Enc on
  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    I bet it's under 50

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    Whether or not he has something to gain depends entirely on who he's hanging around. I'm sure some gamergaters would welcome him with open arms after trashing PA/any "mainstream" gaming site.

    That being said I really do wish he'd been specific. Right now there's absolutely no specificity, no real meat to latch on to.

    Gamergaters actually hate Kuchera and still think PA is on their side specifically because of how journalism averse G&T are and because of how anti-journalism/anti "censorship" the comic was the pre-GG era.

    Fair, but the overall point stands, I think.

    Standing up to companies isn't exactly martyrdom these days, for good or ill. And I still stand by my assertion that he desperately needs some actual examples of malfeasance, because right now PA sounds a lot like every goddamned corp on the planet.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    I would be very surprised if they made any response at all. They haven't had the PAR for 8 years, they don't even do anything resembling whatever journalism they did back then, and everything with Kuchera's complaints are very vague so there's nothing to really respond to.

    If they still had PAR going and Kuchera was just not involved anymore, I think they would definitely need a formal response.

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    A quick check of twitter doesn't show anything, but to be fair it's only 8AM on the West coast.

    He/Him | "We who believe in freedom cannot rest." - Dr. Johnetta Cole, 7/22/2024
  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    They are still a big business with overwhelming power in the gaming space. They run the single largest gaming convention in the world. They are a giant in their space regardless of their employee count.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    I think there was some kind of blowup over Kuchera's coverage of Camelot Unchained, but of course I can't find the article anywhere.

    Switch: 3947-4890-9293
  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Butters wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    They are still a big business with overwhelming power in the gaming space. They run the single largest gaming convention in the world. They are a giant in their space regardless of their employee count.

    They don't run PAX or even own it anymore. They're also pretty much completely irrelevant in the gaming space these days simply by virtue of how old they are. Their entrance into streaming was at the tail end of that wagon and it's basically their entire space now and even then it feels dated.

    Like, the two big things they did in the space, PAX and Child's Play, are completely independent from them at this point.

    cursedking on
    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • NamrokNamrok Registered User regular
    Whenever I think "Ben Kuchera", I think of this old satirical article about the PA Report shutting down. Using archive.org because that site too has shut down.

    The Penny Arcade Report, Famed Satirical Video Game Journalism Website, Shuts Down
    Calling himself senior editor of the Penny Arcade Report, Ben Kuchera knew how to tackle video game journalism in a funny and thought-provoking manner. Up until the end, he continued to write and edit article after article of hilarious jokes, fake reviews and even created controversy by pretending to be a horrible journalist and calling out others through his misguided views.

    Could the things he's saying now be true? Maybe. But he has a very public persona of narcissistic rage going back to his Ars Technica days. How he keeps failing upwards is beyond me. Probably the same way most sociopaths do.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Side note, apropos of nothing: Good lord has the last 5 years warped my sense of time. Like... that all this happened 8 years ago and yet that still feels recent is mind-blowing. Aging sucks.

    He/Him | "We who believe in freedom cannot rest." - Dr. Johnetta Cole, 7/22/2024
  • This content has been removed.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    is 'damn' synonymous with 'vague' in this context? because he hasn't actually said anything as near as I can tell. The only two actual specifics are a pretty huge plus for me liking PA.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    This is literally nothing but things we already know they were shitty about and very vague statements. I am kind of confused at the expectation this would be a five-alarm fire that needs a response.

    I ate an engineer
  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    I'm going to need to know what it was that he was told he wasn't allowed to publish before I'm going to care too much. Disappointing if they bullied him for spending time with his family, though.

    cs6f034fsffl.jpg
  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I think there was some kind of blowup over Kuchera's coverage of Camelot Unchained, but of course I can't find the article anywhere.

    There definitely was. I remember being specifically about Kuchera getting tired of people asking him to cover it and putting an article whining about it. And since the whole thing happened mid-Gamergate, and that article had comments open, it had a drama explosion. Given that context, I can easily imagine PA management just deciding to be done with the whole thing, since it was not a successful experiment.

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    They are still a big business with overwhelming power in the gaming space. They run the single largest gaming convention in the world. They are a giant in their space regardless of their employee count.

    They don't run PAX or even own it anymore. They're also pretty much completely irrelevant in the gaming space these days simply by virtue of how old they are. Their entrance into streaming was at the tail end of that wagon and it's basically their entire space now and even then it feels dated.

    Like, the two big things they did in the space, PAX and Child's Play, are completely independent from them at this point.

    PA still has an ownership stake in PAX. They just don't run it any longer because of the size of it.

    Even if they were wholly divorced of it, that still doesn't mean they don't have an inordinate amount of power in their space that doesn't have the potential to be abused.
    Like, if the argument is that PA is some sort of small mom & pop shop that has no sway in the industry that is more than a bit disingenuous.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    that does seem odd

  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something with all the anti-Kuchera sentiments in this thread so far based on him trashing the PA guys. I thought it was basically common knowledge at this point that Gabe & Tycho were at best only ever accidentally on the right side of things, and their "we're for the underdog" schtick wore out about a decade ago when they became rich, old, and powerful and basically every take they've had on serious matters has ranged from "out of touch" to "literally the Dickwolves controversy." Does nobody remember this? This? And so on?

  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    This is literally nothing but things we already know they were shitty about and very vague statements. I am kind of confused at the expectation this would be a five-alarm fire that needs a response.

    I guess I'm out of the loop. The stuff yall say is common knowledge is new to me.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    oh my god Camelot Unchained is still in active development, it's the fantasy star citizen I never knew existed

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Your insides Let me show you themRegistered User regular
    I'm absolutely willing to believe that the PA guys are mercenary cash hunters.

    But I also know that they've done a ton of good stuff.

    And I can also just... not particularly care that they told someone not to write stuff?

    If people actually bullied Ben for doing family stuff rather than writing, that's shit. But overall this feels like sour grapes the have stewed into sour terlet wine over the years.

    But then again, they're fucking loaded. They don't need defending.

    This post has been a roller coaster, let me tell ya.

    I don't get the "they're fucking loaded" offense. Do people who have money not deserve justice?

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    The only thing I remember from PA Report is Kuchera going hard to defend ME3's shitty ending and lack of player choice.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    PA isn't a small mom and pop shop, but they are outdated and irrelevant media and are well on their way to obscurity, if their rather paltry Patreon and Twitch numbers are anything to go by.

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something with all the anti-Kuchera sentiments in this thread so far based on him trashing the PA guys. I thought it was basically common knowledge at this point that Gabe & Tycho were at best only ever accidentally on the right side of things, and their "we're for the underdog" schtick wore out about a decade ago when they became rich, old, and powerful and basically every take they've had on serious matters has ranged from "out of touch" to "literally the Dickwolves controversy." Does nobody remember this? This? And so on?

    We are on a Penny Arcade fan site. Most people here are fans of Penny Arcade. Obviously we are going to be defensive at these accusations.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Is there a way to see someone's block list on Twitter?

    Types: Boom + Robo | Food: Sweet | Habitat: Plains
  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    The whole situation is hard to judge, since the PA folks have stepped in it numerous times and Kuchera has a history of being needlessly abrasive.

    Switch: 3947-4890-9293
  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    I kind of feel like there's a fair bit of gross hand-waving here of a person's real pain in favor of the giant corporation.
    It doesn't feel at all right for us to ask for "receipts" around a bunch of perceived micro-aggressions to an individual employee. What's important is how the person feels coming away from their time as an employee. Ben has nothing to gain from posting this stuff.

    This coupled with how Mike in particular expresses himself paints a pretty clear picture for me wrt to how PA likely operates behind the scenes.
    Apropos of nothing it was also interesting to see that Mike has apparently blocked just about every gaming journalist on Twitter as of yesterday.

    PA has like 100 employees. That doesn't even meet the definition of a medium-sized business.

    They are still a big business with overwhelming power in the gaming space. They run the single largest gaming convention in the world. They are a giant in their space regardless of their employee count.

    They don't run PAX or even own it anymore. They're also pretty much completely irrelevant in the gaming space these days simply by virtue of how old they are. Their entrance into streaming was at the tail end of that wagon and it's basically their entire space now and even then it feels dated.

    Like, the two big things they did in the space, PAX and Child's Play, are completely independent from them at this point.

    PA still has an ownership stake in PAX. They just don't run it any longer because of the size of it.

    Even if they were wholly divorced of it, that still doesn't mean they don't have an inordinate amount of power in their space that doesn't have the potential to be abused.
    Like, if the argument is that PA is some sort of small mom & pop shop that has no sway in the industry that is more than a bit disingenuous.

    While insinuating we were callous for discounting someone's "real pain" you called them a "giant corporation" to emphasize your assertion which isn't remotely accurate in any way. That's disingenuous.

    PSN: idontworkhere582 | CFN: idontworkhere | Steam: lordbutters | Amazon Wishlist
  • This content has been removed.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    [
    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something with all the anti-Kuchera sentiments in this thread so far based on him trashing the PA guys. I thought it was basically common knowledge at this point that Gabe & Tycho were at best only ever accidentally on the right side of things, and their "we're for the underdog" schtick wore out about a decade ago when they became rich, old, and powerful and basically every take they've had on serious matters has ranged from "out of touch" to "literally the Dickwolves controversy." Does nobody remember this? This? And so on?

    I have the exact opposite reaction, in that I think it's really weird to say "PA is totally shitty and the community is awful" based on how they publicly acted in 2013... when we're literally on the PA forums and know that things have changed since then.

    Like, one of the biggest things in that RPS article is talking about how PAX is dogshit evil because of how anti-trans PA is, and how does that seem accurate to you at all? PAX is quite possibly the best general-audiences convention for LBGT issues I've ever seen.

    My reaction isn't so much that I don't believe Mike and Gerry could be dicks to Kuchera, but that this is dead and buried drama where the only thing we can do is relitigate Dickwolves.

    milski on
    I ate an engineer
  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or something with all the anti-Kuchera sentiments in this thread so far based on him trashing the PA guys. I thought it was basically common knowledge at this point that Gabe & Tycho were at best only ever accidentally on the right side of things, and their "we're for the underdog" schtick wore out about a decade ago when they became rich, old, and powerful and basically every take they've had on serious matters has ranged from "out of touch" to "literally the Dickwolves controversy." Does nobody remember this? This? And so on?

    We are on a Penny Arcade fan site. Most people here are fans of Penny Arcade. Obviously we are going to be defensive at these accusations.

    I'm not. I'm a fan of this community but have long since grown out of the content PA produces.

    I kind of don't think Mike is a very good person based on his track record and have long thought he should step away from the business based on things he's said.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Enc wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Wow.

    Has PA Megacorp made a response yet?

    If true, and there isn't much reason to doubt him here, this is incredibly disappointing. Mike and Jerry are amongst the handful of media people I attribute with helping me get through some really dark shit in my life with their media content and this is... just damn.

    This is literally nothing but things we already know they were shitty about and very vague statements. I am kind of confused at the expectation this would be a five-alarm fire that needs a response.

    I guess I'm out of the loop. The stuff yall say is common knowledge is new to me.

    Dickwolves is the most relevant thing PA ever did besides PAX, so that is surprising for somebody on the PA forums.

    milski on
    I ate an engineer
  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    I'm absolutely willing to believe that the PA guys are mercenary cash hunters.

    But I also know that they've done a ton of good stuff.

    And I can also just... not particularly care that they told someone not to write stuff?

    If people actually bullied Ben for doing family stuff rather than writing, that's shit. But overall this feels like sour grapes the have stewed into sour terlet wine over the years.

    But then again, they're fucking loaded. They don't need defending.

    This post has been a roller coaster, let me tell ya.

    I don't get the "they're fucking loaded" offense. Do people who have money not deserve justice?

    It's not an offense.

    It's that they don't need me, a random internet dude, charging to their rescue.

Sign In or Register to comment.