There’s also a shield boost under 30% and a freeze everything under 30%. Didn’t know about golem that could be fun to put with shield for super safe WT grinding
Basically a whole lotta get out jail free cards which is useful on my pyro since I don’t have fancy mobility
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
edited April 2021
the shield boost is dippy good on pyro in combination with phoenix especially when soloing expeditions, not least cos it has a 5s cooldown and u keep the shield lol
Funnily enough, the defense mods being so good makes Pyro bullet builds even better cause you barely need any class mods to make that run. I've got like three different defense mods on my Pyro and she's tanky as shit. Golem mod, an armor boost mod, and I was using an armor per kill mod but now I'm experimenting with a life boost per enemy around me. With all the weapon and skill leach I stack as long as I'm shooting and have stuff on fire I basically don't die save for the rare moments I just get thoroughly wombo combo'd.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
ye i havent died going from wt9 to soloing ct12 missions on my pyro
There seem to be two schools of thought on build diversity in games
One looks at a build that is more powerful than the others and nerfs it to be as weak as the rest
One looks at that build and buffs the rest of the builds to be as good as it
I’m not saying one is better than the other; if your game would be too easy by buffing everything to be as strong as your strongest build, nerfs are the right decision
That said, if the game is unwinnable or very clearly much more difficult with some builds (and I don’t mean multiplayer-focused builds like tank damage sponges) that problem is wayyyy more frustrating than having one build be OP compared to the rest
Personal opinion, I think all potential solo builds should be buffed to the point of viability before nerfing anything
This game is clearly at that point where guns are effective and skills are... not, really, and they desperately need to fix that before beginners get too frustrated by a static meta they have to spec into or they lose
The skills thing is not true of the devastator. If anything because they don't have an ammo power, their skill build was a lot easier to get strong then the various gun types I was using.
What sucks is the pure tank tree (middle tree) does not seem to have anything that makes it competitive, like as is the case with ARPGs the best defense is full on offense, and there is nothing in the later part of the tank tree to turn all those defensives into solid dps, maybe there's a gear solution?
What I wish is some of the skills were duration of the skill based instead of on initiation or ending. So things like golem having more time to it, doesn't give you a boost beyond the mitigation.
Between Vim and Vigor and Mighty Tank, it actually turns 7 of your defensive nodes directly in to offense. I think the amounts need tweaked (in the buff direction), but they are trying to provide tools for a tanky build to still have some clear time. I think the bigger issue with middle tree is that maxed out defense just doesn't feel great. It's missing something to make it feel truly tanky. Maybe a node that makes you immune to knock down/knock up as a random example.
e: Also The Cycle mod, which turns more defense (regen) in to bonus firepower.
The Cycle gives you it's full 30% weapon damage increase for essentially free if you're already running full Vim and Vigor. I had it for awhile until I needed to upgrade/change my gear :P
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
This game can be such complete bullshit at high world tiers. Especially as a Trickster solo.
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Going pretty slow through this since only playing on weekends but having fun duoing with @vagrant_winds through the campaign so far. Finally managed to unlock Borrowed Time, so I can combo with Hunt the Prey and be even more an annoying nuisance deep striking and then retreating to wait on CDs.
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
I gave that fight like 2 deaths before I just cranked it down to 1. Ain't got time to deal with all that.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
edited April 2021
i mean its interesting im actually doing a status effect / burn+bleed+toxic / anomaly power build with ignite ammo just to apply burn/25% ap/piercing shots and its mostly working out ok
the single target is obviously subpar vs a shooting build but u get to spread a lot of dots everywhere so the effective dps vs groups is very good and it has a lot of cc
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
I will not be surprised when they do an enemy balance patch they quietly nerf those guys hps, like they legit have more than the end boss and he has two damn phases.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm also very surprised that WT 15 has some kind of scaling even for a solo player. Like I have level 46 gear and should be able to basically one quake walk a skull enemy but it doesn't and that's a weird design decision.
Because it feels like in expeditions that scaling isn't there, if you go to a lower WT in expeditions you just walk it off.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
Yeah chain lightning is fucking weird. There isn't a way to avoid it seems. I hate it.
I'm also very surprised that WT 15 has some kind of scaling even for a solo player. Like I have level 46 gear and should be able to basically one quake walk a skull enemy but it doesn't and that's a weird design decision.
Because it feels like in expeditions that scaling isn't there, if you go to a lower WT in expeditions you just walk it off.
There is scaling to some degree in expeditions too. Run a CT1 expedition and you'll see that your damage has been cut significantly.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
edited April 2021
ye i thought i was in for trouble with the first ct6 expedition i did when finishing campaign because damage was lower, then every ct i unlocked my damage scaled so i was like lovely jubbly
EDIT: though i realised i actually streamed the first expedition i did so if u wanna see a non-eruption non-gun damage anomaly power status build scuffed pyro here u go. only tier 3 mod is the lifting enemies in the air cc mod
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
Kill everything else in the room first, then use a lane. Fight him on one side run to the other as he does the lightning. shoot him up, repeat.
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It seems that the only way to avoid the gear wipe is A. Let everything and everyone load in before joining into the lobby/starting a game.(Somewhat controllable) and B. Don't Crash(SUPER NOT CONTROLLABLE.).
I imagine the loading thing triggering is 100% easier in multi since people will fucking MASH that Start game button the second one or two people join, and the host disconnecting for any reason(At least in my experience) causes the other two people to crash, which means your next load in is a divine coinflip if you have your items or not.
Oddly enough I am at peace with this whimsical fate? Which is disturbing, to say the least. But I don't have anything built up to the point where an inventory wipe, even without a restore, is a catastrophic dead end, as I've only just finished the story and have just dabbled into getting properly itemized gear.
I HIGHLY suggest anyone over Expedition level 11 to just put that character down, stash the leggos/pieces you use, and play an alt if you want to play the game. It's just not worth the risk unless you have friends willing to literally carry you to re-gear you when this is all fixed. Otherwise you're just flipping that coin, and if it'll hurt to lose something then it's NOT A GAMBLE WORTH MAKING.
Yeah, mine was loading into a matchmaking Expedition in progress. Loaded in naked, the thing was already started, and BAM - could not connect to Outrider servers. Trying to log onto the character just throws up that error now, even at camp.
Ugh, that really sucks. If they get the bug fixed while I'm at work for the next two weeks I'd be happy to help do a carry for you so you can start to re-gear once I'm home.
Hmmm my experience is only with Trickster so far, and the damage skills seem underwhelming when I’m just teleporting and blowing things up in one shot with my shotgun
Yeah, for me all the skills do is enable me to use my shotgun better. That's not inherently bad mind you (I'm loving it), but I don't know if that's what the devs intended.
Beat the main campaign - happy enough with it overall but was expecting a much more interesting final encounter after some of the bigger set piece bosses earlier on in the game.
Holy shit this shaman motherfucker is annoying as hell. Chain lightning doesn't seem to have a max range and goes through walls, if his aoe spam knocks you into a wall, it's almost impossible to avoid the next one, and he has a million health. Why is this a thing.
Yeah chain lightning is fucking weird. There isn't a way to avoid it seems. I hate it.
For that chain lightning you need to interrupt it before it’s cast. Otherwise yeah that shit will track and hit you.
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Beat the main campaign - happy enough with it overall but was expecting a much more interesting final encounter after some of the bigger set piece bosses earlier on in the game.
I was expecting a more interesting end in general. It ended up being so mundane. Shitty human enslaves alien race and causes all this upheaval just feels so...boring. I know what they were going for, a general "humans gonna human" theme...I was just hoping for something more wacky and supernatural.
So wait if melee includes skills does that melee on frozen enemies increased mod work with tremor and such?
I have the Ice legendary sniper mod that freezes on an aoe on crit and that seems hella useful
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edited April 2021
I think I am now trending toward Devestator as opposed to Techno. I don't really like the healing or the frost skills, and the assault skills seem to be falling off somewhat. Maybe I just like smushing dudes with a big rock that also happens to be me.
So now that cross-play is working, this is the first PC game I've played where I can group up with some of buddies on their Xboxes.
The only thing we've run into that I'm looking for some cross-play advice from the more experienced... is how do you guys voice chat between different devices?
I tried installing the Xbox app on my PC and we were able make a party, but my mic seems completely borked. I can hear everything but they can't hear me, even though when I talk, the app is showing my icon flashing like it's receiving audio. Mic works in other apps, so it's definitely something with my setup and the Xbox app not liking me.
Are there other alternatives that are easy for xbox people to use?
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Basically a whole lotta get out jail free cards which is useful on my pyro since I don’t have fancy mobility
its pretty strong
Between Vim and Vigor and Mighty Tank, it actually turns 7 of your defensive nodes directly in to offense. I think the amounts need tweaked (in the buff direction), but they are trying to provide tools for a tanky build to still have some clear time. I think the bigger issue with middle tree is that maxed out defense just doesn't feel great. It's missing something to make it feel truly tanky. Maybe a node that makes you immune to knock down/knock up as a random example.
e: Also The Cycle mod, which turns more defense (regen) in to bonus firepower.
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I struggled at wt6 then I discovered the OPness of putting a dot on an lmg with an armor Mod to refresh ammo if you kill with that dot
You pop fire rounds and never stop shooting. Now I’m WT 11 and have died one or twice due to accidentally popping fire rounds on my sniper
If I ever find a Mod that refreshes ammo
On burn kills I can replace that dot with better murder tools like chains
I gave that fight like 2 deaths before I just cranked it down to 1. Ain't got time to deal with all that.
the single target is obviously subpar vs a shooting build but u get to spread a lot of dots everywhere so the effective dps vs groups is very good and it has a lot of cc
I will not be surprised when they do an enemy balance patch they quietly nerf those guys hps, like they legit have more than the end boss and he has two damn phases.
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Because it feels like in expeditions that scaling isn't there, if you go to a lower WT in expeditions you just walk it off.
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Yeah chain lightning is fucking weird. There isn't a way to avoid it seems. I hate it.
There is scaling to some degree in expeditions too. Run a CT1 expedition and you'll see that your damage has been cut significantly.
EDIT: though i realised i actually streamed the first expedition i did so if u wanna see a non-eruption non-gun damage anomaly power status build scuffed pyro here u go. only tier 3 mod is the lifting enemies in the air cc mod
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/982524450?t=2h59m1s
Kill everything else in the room first, then use a lane. Fight him on one side run to the other as he does the lightning. shoot him up, repeat.
not on legendaries
oh. I suppose there is only despair then. u_u
Fucking Christ, this game is doing its level best to make me dislike it, despite my initial positivity.
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I imagine the loading thing triggering is 100% easier in multi since people will fucking MASH that Start game button the second one or two people join, and the host disconnecting for any reason(At least in my experience) causes the other two people to crash, which means your next load in is a divine coinflip if you have your items or not.
Oddly enough I am at peace with this whimsical fate? Which is disturbing, to say the least. But I don't have anything built up to the point where an inventory wipe, even without a restore, is a catastrophic dead end, as I've only just finished the story and have just dabbled into getting properly itemized gear.
I HIGHLY suggest anyone over Expedition level 11 to just put that character down, stash the leggos/pieces you use, and play an alt if you want to play the game. It's just not worth the risk unless you have friends willing to literally carry you to re-gear you when this is all fixed. Otherwise you're just flipping that coin, and if it'll hurt to lose something then it's NOT A GAMBLE WORTH MAKING.
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If not .... well... I guess it wasn't max gear or anything. And the mod system makes it relatively easy to get back to what I had... Mostly.
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They've said they will be able to restore any epic or legendary gear
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Wait, never mind. I was just getting shot by things I couldn't see. False alarm.
Actually, now I' not sure any more.
Okay, yeah, now I'm sure.
For that chain lightning you need to interrupt it before it’s cast. Otherwise yeah that shit will track and hit you.
I have the Ice legendary sniper mod that freezes on an aoe on crit and that seems hella useful
This is terrible and I regret everything.
The only thing we've run into that I'm looking for some cross-play advice from the more experienced... is how do you guys voice chat between different devices?
I tried installing the Xbox app on my PC and we were able make a party, but my mic seems completely borked. I can hear everything but they can't hear me, even though when I talk, the app is showing my icon flashing like it's receiving audio. Mic works in other apps, so it's definitely something with my setup and the Xbox app not liking me.
Are there other alternatives that are easy for xbox people to use?