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US Immigration Policy - I'd have a snarky subtitle but this shit isn't funny.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    If some of you want to argue for open borders and not deporting anyone for anything, please do so.

    But just saying "Obama deported more people in 8 years than Trump did in 4, boogah boogah" is dumb.

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Their point is that lack of documentation doesn't make them not immigrants.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    This country is full of people whos great great-great-grandparents just walked across a border with no or minimal interference and set up shop. No one blinks an eye about talking about their immigrant roots in glowing terms.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    I don't see them on mobile, so for that I apologize. I'll make a change in an edit

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    If some of you want to argue for open borders and not deporting anyone for anything, please do so.

    But just saying "Obama deported more people in 8 years than Trump did in 4, boogah boogah" is dumb.

    So is lying about the other side's points. Which is what this is.
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Obama deported more people during his first three years in office than Trump did during his entire tenure.

    edit: the hell are you agreeing with me for, No Quarter?

    Phoenix-D on
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.
    They're still immigrants. This is why we have phrases like "legal immigrants" and "undocumented immigrants." Stop being a silly goose.

    Additionally, this is the immigration policy thread. It is 100% fair game to call into question the legal process and its shortcomings and failings. You might even say it's the point. Trying to shut down the discussion with, "Well too bad this is what the law is" is in bad faith and spirit for this thread.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Their point is that lack of documentation doesn't make them not immigrants.

    While true, you can’t ignore that they are classified and fall into different legal categories under US law. Regardless of how just we might feel those laws are.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Folks like No Quarter are the exact reason I keep bringing up the white supremacist origin of American Immigration laws/restrictions.

    Because of this heinous “distinction” between folks who came to the US “the right way” and the folks who came in the same way everyone entered this country until the late 19th century, when white supremacists created our first immigration laws to purposely keep out non-whites

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Also yes, I would advocate for open borders, because our current practice only serves to needlessly inflict violence and fear on vulnerable populations whose only mistake was believing the shit we say about this country being a land for freedom, opportunity and a decent life you can’t find elsewhere in the hemisphere.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.
    We understand that you like things the way they are and are objecting to any changes.

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Folks like No Quarter are the exact reason I keep bringing up the white supremacist origin of American Immigration laws/restrictions.

    Because of this heinous “distinction” between folks who came to the US “the right way” and the folks who came in the same way everyone entered this country until the late 19th century, when white supremacists created our first immigration laws to purposely keep out non-whites

    "Folks like Lanz" are silly geese who use phrases like "Folks like No-Quarter", to try and cloak themselves in false sanctimony as if their opinions are the only ones with merit and everyone else is scum because they used imperfect terminology
    To try and make a point.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Jesus Christ are we really bringing out the “the law is the law” shit out now?


    Christ, King’s quote about the white moderate never ceases to hold true

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  • cckerberoscckerberos Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited February 2021
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    Shorty on
  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Folks like No Quarter are the exact reason I keep bringing up the white supremacist origin of American Immigration laws/restrictions.

    Because of this heinous “distinction” between folks who came to the US “the right way” and the folks who came in the same way everyone entered this country until the late 19th century, when white supremacists created our first immigration laws to purposely keep out non-whites

    "Folks like Lanz" are silly geese who use phrases like "Folks like No-Quarter", to try and cloak themselves in false sanctimony as if their opinions are the only ones with merit and everyone else is scum because they used imperfect terminology
    To try and make a point.

    I ain’t the one who refuses to acknowledge immigrants as such just because they didn’t adhere to an arcane, years long bureaucratic process they weren’t likely to have the resources or time to initiate while leaving their homes which were countries away

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    sodomy was a crime in texas up until 2003

    should we go back and convict everyone who was doing it before then?

    laws can be and often are unjust, you can't just say "it's illegal" and expect that argument to stand by itself

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    I honestly have no idea what youre trying to do here.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    That you don't see on mobile? But try harder to make it something it's not, silly goose.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    Are you trying to sound like the racist geese I had to deal with in AZ, because if not uh. This isn't a matter of not dealing with reality, this is a matter of you being weirdly hostile, distorting your opponents position, and being incredibly wrong about a lot of the way things work currently.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    That you don't see on mobile? But try harder to make it something it's not, silly goose.

    it's really weird that you see yourself as the protagonist in this situation.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    Except by hiding behind a law with a history you’re refusing to engage with, while denying the fundamental nature of what it means to cross thousands of miles, country to country, to seek a new life in a new country, you’re absolutely not engaging with reality. You’re denying it for something you’re comfortable with.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    sodomy was a crime in texas up until 2003

    should we go back and convict everyone who was doing it before then?

    laws can be and often are unjust, you can't just say "it's illegal" and expect that argument to stand by itself

    I'm fine with changing the law, in fact Obama specifically tried to do that with DACA in addition to offering amnesty.

    That's still not the same as not deporting anyone, becauase Obama was still bound to follow the laws on the books, despite trying to pretend priortize those convicted of violent crimes over those simply here illegally.

  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    That you don't see on mobile? But try harder to make it something it's not, silly goose.

    it's really weird that you see yourself as the protagonist in this situation.

    I'd say it's weirder that you think there's a protagonist in a situation with a slight misunderstanding which was apologized for and corrected.

  • cckerberoscckerberos Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    No.

    I mean, if the goal is to actually get people to use the correct pronouns and it's important enough to (generic) you to call them out for it, surely it would be better to specify those pronouns in that very post than to make people go through some extra steps to find out what they are?

    cckerberos on
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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

    Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

    Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up that state's segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout Alabama all sorts of devious methods are used to prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties in which, even though Negroes constitute a majority of the population, not a single Negro is registered. Can any law enacted under such circumstances be considered democratically structured?

    Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

    I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

    Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.


    For y’all who just want to defend the indefensible because it is “the law”

    Lanz on
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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    Except by hiding behind a law with a history you’re refusing to engage with, while denying the fundamental nature of what it means to cross thousands of miles, country to country, to seek a new life in a new country, you’re absolutely not engaging with reality. You’re denying it for something you’re comfortable with.

    It doesn't matter how I feel, I want the law to change, but presidents are still bound to follow the laws as they are on the books until they're changed, and only then can remedy and redress be offered.

    Same thing goes with scrubbing Marijuana convictions

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    Except by hiding behind a law with a history you’re refusing to engage with, while denying the fundamental nature of what it means to cross thousands of miles, country to country, to seek a new life in a new country, you’re absolutely not engaging with reality. You’re denying it for something you’re comfortable with.

    It doesn't matter how I feel, I want the law to change, but presidents are still bound to follow the laws as they are on the books until they're changed, and only then can remedy and redress be offered.

    Same thing goes with scrubbing Marijuana convictions

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    There a reason you’re bringing marijuana up outta the blue or...

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  • QuetziQuetzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderator mod
    cckerberos wrote: »
    cckerberos wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    No.

    I mean, if the goal is to actually get people to use the correct pronouns and it's important enough to you to call them out for it, surely it would be better to specify those pronouns in that very post than to make people go through some extra steps to find out what they are?

    I'm not -Tal, and I didn't want to overstep or make a huge thing out of it, I just wanted to point out that NQ was misgendering her

    So yeah, I didn't get specific because I don't know anything more than what is written on her profile, which I figured was just a click away for everyone involved (except on mobile, where you have to switch to desktop mode apparently)

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    Actually hold on

    What if housing and reparations paid to immigrants for our nation’s shitheelery for the past... well, for the past.

    People jumping the border are not immigrants or citizens.

    If you're talking specifically about legal immigrants being treated shittily, then you're going to be paying out to a looooooot of different people.

    Irish Catholics got shit on during the 1860 all the way to JFK, does my family deserve reparations?

    Well thanks I guess for playing your hand regarding how you feel about undocumented immigrants, No Quarter.

    I’ll be sure to discount everything you say from this point forward, if you’re going to describe them as border jumpers.

    “Not immigrants,” Jesus Christ.

    I hate to break it you Lanz, but crossing the border illegally or overstaying a visa is a crime, regardless of how much you don't want it to be, you silly goose.

    Unlawful entry is a misdemeanor

    Which. Is. A. Crime.

    And punishable by deportation.

    No one gives a shit about non violent misdemeanors until its a cover for something else.

    Again, a LOT of people do, and they're aren't all the bigoted monsters you want to pretend they are in your common way of oversimplify complex issues so they can be solved with phrases such as "just out them in a hotel with some social workers" or "just give them a million dollars and a house".

    Some of us prefer engaging with reality regardless of how ugly it is, rather than pipedreams that will never go anywhere.

    Except by hiding behind a law with a history you’re refusing to engage with, while denying the fundamental nature of what it means to cross thousands of miles, country to country, to seek a new life in a new country, you’re absolutely not engaging with reality. You’re denying it for something you’re comfortable with.

    It doesn't matter how I feel, I want the law to change, but presidents are still bound to follow the laws as they are on the books until they're changed, and only then can remedy and redress be offered.

    Same thing goes with scrubbing Marijuana convictions

    Yeah but your arguments up to this point gave had little to do with Presidents and the power thereof.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    If you start going off at length about how Illegal Immigration is a Crime and how your Irish American anscestors did it right or whatever and where are there reparations you have to know how people are going to react.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may well ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all."

    Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I it" relationship for an "I thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and sinful. Paul Tillich has said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness? Thus it is that I can urge men to obey the 1954 decision of the Supreme Court, for it is morally right; and I can urge them to disobey segregation ordinances, for they are morally wrong.

    Let us consider a more concrete example of just and unjust laws. An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself. This is difference made legal. By the same token, a just law is a code that a majority compels a minority to follow and that it is willing to follow itself. This is sameness made legal. Let me give another explanation. A law is unjust if it is inflicted on a minority that, as a result of being denied the right to vote, had no part in enacting or devising the law. Who can say that the legislature of Alabama which set up that state's segregation laws was democratically elected? Throughout Alabama all sorts of devious methods are used to prevent Negroes from becoming registered voters, and there are some counties in which, even though Negroes constitute a majority of the population, not a single Negro is registered. Can any law enacted under such circumstances be considered democratically structured?

    Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.

    I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

    Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire. To a degree, academic freedom is a reality today because Socrates practiced civil disobedience. In our own nation, the Boston Tea Party represented a massive act of civil disobedience.


    For y’all who just want to defend the indefensible because it is “the law”

    Wasn't my argument, but try again.

    Let me know when presidents can avoid enforcing federal laws when they get sued for it and SCOTUS tells them to get fucked.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Texas#:~:text=Texas, 579 U.S. ___ (2016,injunction blocking the President's program.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    cckerberos wrote: »
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    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    So you *don't* actually care about what happens to these kids outside of grinding an axe and farming fake internet points with goosey hot takes?

    "what's your plan" is not a coherent response to an observation that something is bad, they are two entirely separate things

    His post was unserious and his response even less so.

    If he wants to engage, he's welcome to do better than "boo Biden shitty", and then responded with amateur crap when asked if he wants to add something of substance.

    Please respect -Tal's pronouns, even if you disagree.

    If you're going to make a post like this, it would be helpful to specify what those pronouns are.

    you mean like -tal did in their profile?

    That you don't see on mobile? But try harder to make it something it's not, silly goose.

    it's really weird that you see yourself as the protagonist in this situation.

    I'd say it's weirder that you think there's a protagonist in a situation with a slight misunderstanding which was apologized for and corrected.

    yes. that is why I said so.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    If you start going off at length about how Illegal Immigration is a Crime and how your Irish American anscestors did it right or whatever and where are there reparations you have to know how people are going to react.

    Nowhere did NQ claim that his ancestors did it right. Just that they had been shit on by the immigration system. Which is just a fact. You offhandedly dismissed this for...some reason? It's a valid question.

    Rest is accurate though.

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