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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Medabots was good fun

    Fun Fact! Both Hiroyuki Imaishi (Founder of Studio Trigger, Director of Dead Leaves, Gurren Lagann, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt, Kill La Kill) and Yoh Yoshinari (creator of Little Witch Academia, director of BNA) worked on Medabots:

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    Yoh Yoshinari

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    the one piece anime really fucking needs shortening though, just like squash some of those chapters together

    I would be a thousand percent onboard for One Piece Kai

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    the one piece anime really fucking needs shortening though, just like squash some of those chapters together

    I would be a thousand percent onboard for One Piece Kai

    Let's go to space!

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    DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    the one piece anime really fucking needs shortening though, just like squash some of those chapters together

    If only there was some alternative pace to the whole thing.

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    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    I hate when an anime is developed basically just to sell the manga.

    And especially when they're developed to sell a light novel.

    I mean they're different mediums. I wanted to watch a goddamn anime, not read a fucking book.

    Like imagine if after Infinity War, Marvel just pointed everyone to Endgame: The Novel.

    The best shows are the ones that just go "fuck your source material." Galaxy Angel? A space opera harem? Nah. We're a slapstick gag comedy where the cast is probably going to destroy a planet every other episode.

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    ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    The best anime arc name is The Brand New Captain Amagai Shusuke Arc.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I only watch Looney Tunes in the original Japanese

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    NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    Mysst wrote: »
    the one piece anime really fucking needs shortening though, just like squash some of those chapters together

    I would be a thousand percent onboard for One Piece Kai

    IIRC there's some fans out there trying to do fan cuts, but I honestly have no idea if there any good. Also, of course, much like the various Star Wars Prequel Trilogy or The Hobbit fancuts they're kind of illegal and probably not something to discuss here.

    ...Also, didn't DBZ Kai do kind of badly? That's always the impression I got from how much fluff they kept in the Buu arc.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Elaro wrote: »
    The last two eps of the original tv stories are basically the youtube explanation video of what just happened after you've watched the ending movie.

    So it remaining the main explanation just tells me for all the weirdness they're doing with the new movies, it still has its core.

    Bullshit
    No way does anybody who went through the TV ending turn around and
    strangle someone.
    That, or Shinji
    is a complete monster who interprets "loving himself" as "giving himself permission to murder everyone else"
    That's symbolic of his rejection of the need for everyone to come together, for everyone to become one giant mindsalad. He wants to keep everyone distinct. So the strangle is a rejection of that. It's not meant to be a literal attempt to kill Asuka. The Asuka being presented in the movie in that moment is an abstract representation of what is really happening (mindsalad, everyone becoming one), that represents others who are not Shinji. Which is what happens in the TV ending, he learns to be comfortable with himself as an entity separate from other people. This can be interpreted as a rejection of everyone who is not Shinji.

    The tv ending is what happens inside. The movie ending is what is happening outside. Both are actually abstract as fuck, but the movie gives the illusion of being concrete (it's nowhere near that).

    It sounds insane because the actions appear on the surface appear to be so obviously different, but that is literally what is happening.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    being 100% sure what the fuck the TV and movie endings are trying to say is impossible, I don't think Hideki Anno ever knew for sure either.

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    The last two eps of the original tv stories are basically the youtube explanation video of what just happened after you've watched the ending movie.

    So it remaining the main explanation just tells me for all the weirdness they're doing with the new movies, it still has its core.

    Bullshit
    No way does anybody who went through the TV ending turn around and
    strangle someone.
    That, or Shinji
    is a complete monster who interprets "loving himself" as "giving himself permission to murder everyone else"
    That's symbolic of his rejection of the need for everyone to come together, for everyone to become one giant mindsalad. He wants to keep everyone distinct. So the strangle is a rejection of that. It's not meant to be a literal attempt to kill Asuka. The Asuka being presented in the movie in that moment is an abstract representation of what is really happening (mindsalad, everyone becoming one), that represents others who are not Shinji. Which is what happens in the TV ending, he learns to be comfortable with himself as an entity separate from other people. This can be interpreted as a rejection of everyone who is not Shinji.

    The tv ending is what happens inside. The movie ending is what is happening outside. Both are actually abstract as fuck, but the movie gives the illusion of being concrete (it's nowhere near that).

    It sounds insane because the actions appear on the surface appear to be so obviously different, but that is literally what is happening.

    Got a source on this? I’d never heard an official “explanation” for the end(s) of Evangelion

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    I drastically prefer stories that are headed to a conclusion over ones that meander aimlessly.

    More FMA and less Bleach, basically.

    13-25 episodes are the best. No filler, all killer.

    Lain, Fate/Zero, Cowboy Bebop, etc. Scientifically proven.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Neveron wrote: »
    Mysst wrote: »
    the one piece anime really fucking needs shortening though, just like squash some of those chapters together

    I would be a thousand percent onboard for One Piece Kai

    IIRC there's some fans out there trying to do fan cuts, but I honestly have no idea if there any good. Also, of course, much like the various Star Wars Prequel Trilogy or The Hobbit fancuts they're kind of illegal and probably not something to discuss here.

    ...Also, didn't DBZ Kai do kind of badly? That's always the impression I got from how much fluff they kept in the Buu arc.

    Tbh, even it is still pretty slow.

    The original is just excruciating, though.

    The real answer is to read the manga and then youtube specific fights.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    They should have animated the cover arcs some for padding.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    They should have animated the cover arcs some for padding.

    If memory serves, for some of them, they DID.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    Eva talk reminded me of a manga about watching movies, Kine-san no 1-ri de Cinema.

    The chapter where a friend convinces them to watch Evangeleon might be the best chapter.

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    BTW, black clover.

    So we have any info what's in store for it after episode 170? Break until the manga catches up?

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    I drastically prefer stories that are headed to a conclusion over ones that meander aimlessly.

    More FMA and less Bleach, basically.

    13-25 episodes are the best. No filler, all killer.

    Lain, Fate/Zero, Cowboy Bebop, etc. Scientifically proven.

    B-but...Cowboy Bebop has 26!

    Also some good ones only have 12 episodes.

    Regardless, episode count doesn't matter much to me (unless it's crazy high like One Piece), but at least let a cour / season/ whatever feel like a complete package.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    being 100% sure what the fuck the TV and movie endings are trying to say is impossible, I don't think Hideki Anno ever knew for sure either.

    Nah I'm pretty sure what he was saying was that anime was for jerks.

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    DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    Have their been any good slice of life shows in recent years?

    I'm looking for something on the more dramatic side but not overly so.

    Something more laid back is cool though as long as it isn't saccharine.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    kaguya-sama love is war is a good dramatic-leaning romantic comedy slice of life

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    How much money do I have to steal to entertain the idea of a Babylon 5 anime?

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    Weaver wrote: »
    How much money do I have to steal to entertain the idea of a Babylon 5 anime?

    Why would you curse a studio with this?

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    Weaver wrote: »
    How much money do I have to steal to entertain the idea of a Babylon 5 anime?

    Why would you curse a studio with this?

    Look I just want anime Lando and G'Kar and omega destroyers and I'll play chess with the devil after the deal is done.

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Have their been any good slice of life shows in recent years?

    I'm looking for something on the more dramatic side but not overly so.

    Something more laid back is cool though as long as it isn't saccharine.

    A Place Further than the Universe is both slice of life and has some surprising dramatic weight to it

    March Comes in Like a Lion, if you haven't seen it yet, is excellent

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    KanaKana Registered User regular
    Adachi and Shimamura is much more of a romance than anything but it's got a big slice o' slice-of-life in it too, the romance plotline is just grounded and realistic and melodrama free, just like a couple of disaffected teens trying to figure shit out.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    Have their been any good slice of life shows in recent years?

    I'm looking for something on the more dramatic side but not overly so.

    Something more laid back is cool though as long as it isn't saccharine.

    Everyone seems to love Hands Off Eizoken

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Yuru Camp's official English title is Laid-Back Camp and honestly I think that sums it up pretty well

    it is very fun and a relatively light watch

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Water 7 and Thriller Bark are actual names of actual one piece story arcs.

    Dressrosa

    Alabasta

    Fishman Island

    Marineford

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    But yeah One Piece has a bad anime adaptation that has occasional good bits.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Oh, no, I wasn't trying to say that's official. It's just what I think is happening, after having spent a lot of time thinking about it and looking up what lots of other people think, then coming to a conclusion. (I also did all this a loooong ass time ago, so it kinda solidified in my head)

    Sorry I shouldn't have sounded so confident about it.

    It's no more than any other unofficial interpretation of any show, game, or book story that is fairly abstract.

    But I don't think Eva is as complicated as many people say. It's very abstract but the themes are kinda all laid out.

    Also
    When I said "this is what's literally happening" I didn't mean that in the rhetorical "I'm being super serious and this is the Gospel of Truth" I meant it in the "as opposed to the highly abstract way the show is presenting it, this is what I think is literally actually happening to the characters in this show"

    Again, my bad for not being clear.

    Basically in both endings Shinji rejects instrumentality, where instrumentality is mentioned in the show itself as a kind of melding of all human minds/egos/wills/consciousness/whatever psychobabble its using to mean personal selves. (I can't remember exactly what word it used for it, maybe ego? It's not an uncommon concept in anime existential shows.)
    The tv ending is the personal internal struggle and the movie is the external what other people see, that kind of fades into super abstract during instrumentality itself because how do you show and talk about a complete melding of everyone into one visually? And the rejection of that when the process is halfway through? That shits hard yo.

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    No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    Eva 3.0/3.33 was just.... mediocre.

    That's not an unpopular opinion yeah?

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    The problem with One Piece is they CANT squash together chapters to make things flow together

    Because the anime is only like 8 months behind the manga

    They are doing everything they can to not replicate naruto's 126 filler episodes in a row

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The problem with One Piece is they CANT squash together chapters to make things flow together

    Because the anime is only like 8 months behind the manga

    They are doing everything they can to not replicate naruto's 126 filler episodes in a row

    No they can go back and re-release the older shit in a more compact format.

    Or do it like MHA and release new episodes after the story has progressed enough.

    If you read the manga and watch the occasional clip posted on youtube by crunchyroll, you don't need to watch a second of the anime proper.

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    I mean yeah

    But they arent gonna do that because they have been going for 1000 episodes already, have a good time slot, and are making money hand over fist

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    DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    yeah the thing is, while i agree for my use case it's mostly an animated companion to the the manga, the one piece anime is in no way a failure and nothing that could happen could realistically spur Toei to change it. given that, the relaunch they did for the newest arc is kinda amazing, while the pacing doesn't match well with the manga, the visuals are far more consistent and have a much higher baseline of quality than the anime had for years.

    fact is though, while i'd love the pacing to be tightened up and for the padding to be limited or even to have 2 cour, Bones-style semi-annual runs with at best quality; there's just no reason for Toei to do that at all. that'll come once the story is over and One Piece enters it's post life as the biggest manga property ever. however, right now, the anime does everything it needs to for the studio. MHA only is done in the style it's done because it's the most economically viable way for them to get an anime out, it's first season started before it broke 100 chapters, the would never be able to have them run concurrently starting from that point or even starting from when the second season began.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    it is not a FINANCIAL failure but it is an artistic one

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    DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    it is not a FINANCIAL failure but it is an artistic one

    eh, that's a little harsh, it's too complex of a machine to write it off totally, because there are moments when the anime does augment and even improve the source material. not writing off the criticism, but i think it there are enough moments in weighed in its totality that it justifies its existence even today.

    certainly, the anime doesn't not succeed anywhere near the level of the manga and comes off the poorer for it. i just don't have any illusions that there are any pressures that could really change what it is in this incarnation more than it already has.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    Really wish they just let One Piece keep it's time slot by rerunning older episodes. The series is well over 20 years old now and still isn't complete. I seriously doubt they'd see any worse drop off in audience numbers that what the current mess is bringing in.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
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