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[MCU TV] Open spoilers for Falcon & Winter Soldier, WandaVision

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    WandaVision was about three side characters from the Thor, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man franchises investigation a major plot involving threads from Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.

    They are really stuffing these shows to the brim.

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  • ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I'm really having a tough time following Falcon/Winter Soldier. With WandaVision, I really only needed to know that He dead and She sad, but this is like a B-story encyclopedia. I don't think I'm necessarily criticizing the show - it might not just be built for my level of MCU membership?

    This show has referenced things from winter soldier, IW/endgame, black panther, and a whooooole lot of new comics shit and we are on episode 3

    they are pretty unapologetic about how they expect you to stay aware of MCU things... or read summaries on the internet after

    I love that general audiences can now experience 'comic book canon' effect

    except now there's no Editor's Note to tell you what they're referencing

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Zavian wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    I'm really having a tough time following Falcon/Winter Soldier. With WandaVision, I really only needed to know that He dead and She sad, but this is like a B-story encyclopedia. I don't think I'm necessarily criticizing the show - it might not just be built for my level of MCU membership?

    This show has referenced things from winter soldier, IW/endgame, black panther, and a whooooole lot of new comics shit and we are on episode 3

    they are pretty unapologetic about how they expect you to stay aware of MCU things... or read summaries on the internet after

    I love that general audiences can now experience 'comic book canon' effect

    except now there's no Editor's Note to tell you what they're referencing

    Disney plus does tend to recommend movies that hook into the plot tho

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  • dylmandylman Registered User regular
    That's what this thread is for and I love you all for it

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Zavian wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    I'm really having a tough time following Falcon/Winter Soldier. With WandaVision, I really only needed to know that He dead and She sad, but this is like a B-story encyclopedia. I don't think I'm necessarily criticizing the show - it might not just be built for my level of MCU membership?

    This show has referenced things from winter soldier, IW/endgame, black panther, and a whooooole lot of new comics shit and we are on episode 3

    they are pretty unapologetic about how they expect you to stay aware of MCU things... or read summaries on the internet after

    I love that general audiences can now experience 'comic book canon' effect

    except now there's no Editor's Note to tell you what they're referencing

    Honestly good, tired of movies and shows treating people like idiots. If you can't remember the plot threads then look it up later.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    You don’t need to know everything about everything to follow Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

    Like after the episode everyone was losing their shit about Madripoor. I looked it up and saw it was a fictional comic place more connected to the X Men. While watching the episode, not knowing that didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the episode.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Yeah. I just thought it was made up for the show, and it made my shadowrun-loving self VERY happy.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    You don’t need to know everything about everything to follow Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

    Like after the episode everyone was losing their shit about Madripoor. I looked it up and saw it was a fictional comic place more connected to the X Men. While watching the episode, not knowing that didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the episode.

    I mean I watched wandavision and enjoyed it and I didn't watch either of endgame or infinity war.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    You don’t need to know everything about everything to follow Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

    Like after the episode everyone was losing their shit about Madripoor. I looked it up and saw it was a fictional comic place more connected to the X Men. While watching the episode, not knowing that didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the episode.

    I mean I watched wandavision and enjoyed it and I didn't watch either of endgame or infinity war.

    *record scratch*

    Waitwhat?

    You... you have rectified this, correct?

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    You don’t need to know everything about everything to follow Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

    Like after the episode everyone was losing their shit about Madripoor. I looked it up and saw it was a fictional comic place more connected to the X Men. While watching the episode, not knowing that didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the episode.

    I mean I watched wandavision and enjoyed it and I didn't watch either of endgame or infinity war.

    *record scratch*

    Waitwhat?

    You... you have rectified this, correct?

    I honestly don't care, I know the plot points of the movies, but feel no need to actually see them.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    To be fair, them using Madripoor is definitely a tease. Shows that now they have access to stuff they probably couldn't show before. The MCU earth is about to become a lot more like the comics.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    To be fair, them using Madripoor is definitely a tease. Shows that now they have access to stuff they probably couldn't show before. The MCU earth is about to become a lot more like the comics.

    Such a dirty city tease you madripoor.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    To be fair, them using Madripoor is definitely a tease. Shows that now they have access to stuff they probably couldn't show before. The MCU earth is about to become a lot more like the comics.

    True, but again, not knowing it’s comic roots doesn’t mean you can’t follow the story. It was a name drop for fans, and they gave a quick description of what the place is before they got there.

    It was no different to Wakanda. It’s a fictional place from the comics, anything more you need to know they will tell you in the movie/episode.

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  • David_TDavid_T A fashion yes-man is no good to me. Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered User regular
    Makes you wonder if Sokovia would have been Latveria if they'd had the FF rights back then.

    Well it made me wonder.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    David_T wrote: »
    Makes you wonder if Sokovia would have been Latveria if they'd had the FF rights back then.

    Well it made me wonder.

    Nah, they would have already burned Latveria it on a Fantastic Four movie by that point if they had the rights.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    I guess that's confirmation that MCU Asgardians don't get the benefit of resurrection and we won't get a kid Loki. In retrospect, kind of a punk way to end mainline Loki. At the time I think it was glossed over because it was assumed it would be undone or was a trick.

    Why would that be a confirmation that the undusted Asgardian didn't get recombobulated? Loki died from a snap rather than the Snap, so Banner's wish wouldn't have restored him (or the half of Asgardian killed when the ship was attacked).

    So there's every likelihood a bunch of Asgardians got rezzed by Banner.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I guess that's confirmation that MCU Asgardians don't get the benefit of resurrection and we won't get a kid Loki. In retrospect, kind of a punk way to end mainline Loki. At the time I think it was glossed over because it was assumed it would be undone or was a trick.

    Why would that be a confirmation that the undusted Asgardian didn't get recombobulated? Loki died from a snap rather than the Snap, so Banner's wish wouldn't have restored him (or the half of Asgardian killed when the ship was attacked).

    So there's every likelihood a bunch of Asgardians got rezzed by Banner.

    He's referencing the comics where the Asgardians, being actual metaphysical gods, are part of a cycle of death and rebirth, so they can just come back to life when the plot requires it.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Banner tried to bring Natasha back though, so it stands to reason that, at the very least, he thought he could bring people back who hadn't been snapped.

    We still don't know if he resurrected the Asgardians that died off-screen during Infinity War.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I would guess no? "Bring back everyone Thanos ever killed" might have been a more efficient wish, in retrospect...

    I assume Nat was an exception though, since her soul was part of the Gauntlet, that wish just causes a big nope to happen. Always assumed that's why Hulk has such a hard time doing the Snap, he's trying to force the Gauntlet to do something it can't.

    Oh brilliant
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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    The show does do the footnote thing, in dialogue. If the audience doesn't remember who Zemo is, that's no big deal they gave a summary as they were arguing about breaking him out. Don't remember Sharon? Same thing as she explains why she's pissed at Sam. Don't know Ayo? That's fine, she's here for Zemo so that probably means she's a Wakandan mad that he killed their king (see: the Zemo summary earlier in the same episode).

    The stuff like Madripoor being an x-men reference doesn't matter for the story so it remains unsaid.

    I think it's handled pretty well.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    I would guess no? "Bring back everyone Thanos ever killed" might have been a more efficient wish, in retrospect...

    I assume Nat was an exception though, since her soul was part of the Gauntlet, that wish just causes a big nope to happen. Always assumed that's why Hulk has such a hard time doing the Snap, he's trying to force the Gauntlet to do something it can't.

    There remains the possibility, however slight, that he successfully brought Nat back to life, but she's not in this timeline, so they assume she's dead.

    I have a lot of hopes pinned on Loki and I'm sure it's gonna be another Quicksilver situation for me. Because it really fucking irks me that Nat is dead at all.

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    Pretty sure this is turning back into main MCU thread discussion.

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    You don’t need to know everything about everything to follow Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

    Like after the episode everyone was losing their shit about Madripoor. I looked it up and saw it was a fictional comic place more connected to the X Men. While watching the episode, not knowing that didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the episode.

    I mean I watched wandavision and enjoyed it and I didn't watch either of endgame or infinity war.

    *record scratch*

    Waitwhat?

    You... you have rectified this, correct?

    I honestly don't care, I know the plot points of the movies, but feel no need to actually see them.

    TexiKen you log out of Preacher's account this instant, young man!

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  • pezgenpezgen Registered User regular
    I guess that's confirmation that MCU Asgardians don't get the benefit of resurrection and we won't get a kid Loki. In retrospect, kind of a punk way to end mainline Loki. At the time I think it was glossed over because it was assumed it would be undone or was a trick.

    Why would that be a confirmation that the undusted Asgardian didn't get recombobulated? Loki died from a snap rather than the Snap, so Banner's wish wouldn't have restored him (or the half of Asgardian killed when the ship was attacked).

    So there's every likelihood a bunch of Asgardians got rezzed by Banner.

    He's referencing the comics where the Asgardians, being actual metaphysical gods, are part of a cycle of death and rebirth, so they can just come back to life when the plot requires it.

    And seeing as Loki is not Asgardian in the MCU, even if they had the ability to come back that doesn’t mean he could.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Huh, apparently Smiling Tiger is a character from the comics... A mutant character?

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Huh, apparently Smiling Tiger is a character from the comics... A mutant character?

    I don't think he's technically a mutant, but what Marvel refers to as a "mystical mutate" because his background on Marvel's website doesn't include any mention of the X-gene (or whatever it is mutants have) but rather he's the result of his father selling his future offspring to some weird mystic cult that is trying to use said children to control some source of power. Of course it also says that Smiling Tiger cannot speak, and Sam speaking didn't raise any suspicion in the show so who knows what Smiling Tiger's deal is in the MCU.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    Fair enough, his outfit looked suitably mutant so I didn't question it lmao

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    WandaVision was about three side characters from the Thor, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man franchises investigation a major plot involving threads from Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.

    They are really stuffing these shows to the brim.

    Jimmy, Darcy and Monica need to have a show together where they start a detective agency and solve crime!

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    WandaVision was about three side characters from the Thor, Captain Marvel and Ant-Man franchises investigation a major plot involving threads from Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame.

    They are really stuffing these shows to the brim.

    Jimmy, Darcy and Monica need to have a show together where they start a detective agency and solve crime!

    They could be a squad of protectors.
    edit: or officers of barriers!

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  • PailryderPailryder Registered User regular
    The x-men files?

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  • KPCKPC Registered User regular
    edited April 6
    The logo for John Walker's Captain America is an eyesore, so I redesigned it: Youtubes

    For comparison; spoiler'd for large:
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    Boo this man!

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    KPC wrote: »
    The logo for John Walker's Captain America is an eyesore, so I redesigned it: Youtubes

    For comparison; spoiler'd for large:
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    Boo this man!

    omg I watched the youtube and I'm pretty sure that an upside down pentagram was drawn at one point so clearly walker is mephisto!

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  • Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    For those people who need a refresher of who’s who, Disney+ has the Marvel Legends series which are basically recaps about certain characters used in the TV series.

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  • Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
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    Snake = Devil
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    It all checks out. It’s me, I’m Mephisto!

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Endless_Serpents
    Endless = Immortal
    Serpents = Snakes

    The snake tempted Eve. A multiverse would have one snake in each. Multiverse of Madness? I’m mad.

    Snake = Devil
    Devil = Mephisto

    It all checks out. It’s me, I’m Mephisto!

    I mean, I can't fault your math, there, Mephisto.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him Bury me at Lone Tree DenRegistered User regular
    KPC wrote: »
    The logo for John Walker's Captain America is an eyesore, so I redesigned it: Youtubes

    For comparison; spoiler'd for large:
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    Boo this man!

    Agreed on both counts, way to clean that up!

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  • McRhynoMcRhyno Registered User regular
    Wait, was the black falcon / black kid interaction a stealth Key and Peele reference?

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited April 8
    McRhyno wrote: »
    Wait, was the black falcon / black kid interaction a stealth Key and Peele reference?


    I had figured it was more of a Harvey Birdman Black Vulcan thing, but in retrospect, yours makes more sense.

    (Hadn't seen that K&P clip before,
    instant classic!)

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Why don’t we call you White Fish then?

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  • LanlaornLanlaorn Registered User regular
    edited April 8
    McRhyno wrote: »
    Wait, was the black falcon / black kid interaction a stealth Key and Peele reference?


    I think in FATWS it was more a joke about characters like Black Lightning unnecessarily describing their race with their name, which is what the Harvey Birdman skit Draconmicron mentions is also poking fun at.

    This Key & Peele joke seems aimed more at the original Power Rangers layout where the black guy was the Black Ranger and the asian girl was the Yellow Ranger and the girly girl was the Pink Ranger and the white guys took generic Red and Blue Ranger colors (and later Green).

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