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1 Billions Lions vs 1 of Every Pokemon

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    MillMill Registered User regular
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    I'm pretty sure most poison type pokemon would have a tool kit where they could easily poison the fuck out of a large number of lions. Sure some pokemon might get killed, but the lions are going to lose; especially, when we factor in abilities that have AoE capability. AoEs specifically exist to render numerical advantages moot.

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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
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    One billion is a set number, but they keep pumping out more and more Pokémon.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
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    A billion lions though

    893 pokemon, each having to fight over a million lions

    Nah

    no way

    And the weaker ones would get overwhelmed by even a single Lion, and the Lions would then roll into critical mass, which even the most powerful pokemon couldn't hope to defeat

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    Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
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    Lions aren’t army ants, those cats are not climbing over eachother as a coordinated wave of flesh fur and claws

    It’s gonna be like two to five lions at a time vs literally a boulder with a nose

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Pokemon
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    WHERE IS YOUR SLUG NOW

    if you're bringing the anime into it, palkia is a lovecraftian horror and space begins to unravel when it sustains even a minor injury

    Which means the best the lions can possibly hope for is mutually assured destruction

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
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    exactly. if you give me a flamethrower and a stool and put me against a billion pillbugs, the only way i lose is if i suddenly have a heart attack

    a billion doesn't mean anything if that billion can't touch you

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    MillMill Registered User regular
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    Let's also not forget about the horrors that is mimikyu. Once the sorry excuse of a disguise is destroyed, the lions will get to behold it's unspeakable form and likely break. I mean this things image was so maddening that it made a dude some mysterious disease and die.

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    Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
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    Even if lions suddenly were coordinated enough to make lion structures to reach flying pokemon you are gonna be losing a lot of cats from overheating. The thermal output of that much active metabolism is going to kill off any sorta wave of bodies attempts. Pokemon cited as being able to survive conditions hotter than the sun would be fine amid a ball of self-cooked lions

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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
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    Can't kill a Pokémon, only faint.

    Actually, now that I think of it, what is any number of lions going to do against a single ghost type? Can't eat it, can't touch it...

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    The pokedex entries are self evidently inaccurate. For instance it is supposedly deadly you look into the hole in shedinja's back but you don't die when you send out a shedinja

    If it's lions vs. video game pokemon lions win

    If it's lions vs. anime pokemon pokemon win

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    MechMantis wrote: »
    Anyone voting lions isn't giving this the extremely serious consideration that it clearly deserves.

    Says the person who HASN'T VOTED YET

    lol damn I 100% thought I voted, must've hit the 'view results' button instead. stupid phone

    i have now voted and would vote the same even if the question were 'any finite number of lions versus any one pokemon of your choice'

    lions are chumps. they can't fly or do telekinesis or even open doors

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
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    The billion lions, unable to feed themselves as they wait out the deep ocean Pokémon who are just hanging out living their ocean lives, will become an ecological disaster for wherever they’re located, eating every animal until, eventually, they are forced to eat each other and starve.

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
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    From what I understand, lions are pretty territorial against other tribes. Tribes are usually something like 30-40 lions max?

    So that's like 25ish million individual tribes you gotta space right out or else they'll just start killing each other

    I reckon a bunch of pokemon could take a few dozen lions at a time without too much issue

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
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    Sudowudo just gonna keep on pretending to be a tree until this all blows over. And hes made out of rock so he dont even make a good scratching post

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
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    Lion doctrine is based on pack skirmishing rather than close order drill so only a tiny fraction of that billion will be combat effective at a time. Pokemon are mostly intelligent enough to form into a defensive formation and have enough 'mons capable of creating and maintaining force fields and enough heavy hitting ranged attackers that they could withstand lion attacks indefinitely.

    There would be pokecasualties but the big guns one the pokeside are practically invulnerable to any standard lion tactics and abilities.

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
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    Honestly I think my actual answer is Groudon and Kyogre get on their bullshit again and most of the lions become collateral damage until Rayquaza puts them in time out.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
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    Ok so even if for some reason we use Game mechanic pokemon the lions will lose.

    If its game mechanics then its a max raid and its a max raid with 893 trainers. The fastest 6 pokemon will go first and among them are mewtwo and arceus. Dynamax Arceus and use Max Quake. If that doesnt kill them all Mewtwo uses earthquake.
    Bam done.
    Some pokemon will faint but not from the lions

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    QuantumTurkQuantumTurk Registered User regular
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    You know what Pokemon I like? Pikachu. Cute lil guy. Got moxie, that lil Pikachu.

    He's like-- I don't know if you know him. He's like if a mouse was yellow, and had electricity?

    I mean, yeah, okay, I know we all have electricity. Neurons, etc cetera. But Pikachu? Pikachu can do, like, lightning. Zaps it right on out of his little paws.

    His tail even looks like a cartoon representation of a lightning bolt! Good stuff. Good stuff.

    That Pikachu, man. Just can't get enough of that lil guy.

    Have you been jon bois this whole time?

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
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    Even discounting legendaries how does any number of lions deal with a Magnezone? It's a flying hunk of steel that shoots lightning, the lions are fucked.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
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    What's the format of this battle? Can Surf hit every single lion at once?

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    Even discounting legendaries how does any number of lions deal with a Magnezone? It's a flying hunk of steel that shoots lightning, the lions are fucked.

    it'll get exhausted eventually and run out of lightning

    if drops of water can erode stone then the fangs of a billion lions can break through steel

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
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    cB557 wrote: »
    What's the format of this battle? Can Surf hit every single lion at once?

    So long as it's radical enough

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
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    Even discounting legendaries how does any number of lions deal with a Magnezone? It's a flying hunk of steel that shoots lightning, the lions are fucked.

    it'll get exhausted eventually and run out of lightning

    if drops of water can erode stone then the fangs of a billion lions can break through steel

    The Magnemite line levitates even while asleep, they can just go rest over a lake until they recharge.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
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    No, we are giving each group its pre-existing nature. Obviously if they have to abide by real world natural laws then pokemon lose, but the question poses each group as they currently exist.

    The only way lions win is if you give them every benefit and give pokemon every disadvantage. That tells you everything you need to know.

    Like, how do they take on the original legendary birds? How do they get at Gyarados? Gen 1 alone could take infinite lions!

    Gyarados is unable to fight them after using dragon rage 10 times, hydro pump 5 times, bite 25 times and twister 15 times

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
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    I guess it can use struggle

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    crwthcrwth THAT'S IT Registered User regular
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    the pokémon would win

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    MechMantis wrote: »
    With a billion lions some number of them will be perfect lions.

    With one of each pokemon the chancesof having ANY perfect IV/EV'd ones is basically nil.

    Lions win.

    We gots bottle caps

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
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    No, we are giving each group its pre-existing nature. Obviously if they have to abide by real world natural laws then pokemon lose, but the question poses each group as they currently exist.

    The only way lions win is if you give them every benefit and give pokemon every disadvantage. That tells you everything you need to know.

    Like, how do they take on the original legendary birds? How do they get at Gyarados? Gen 1 alone could take infinite lions!

    Gyarados is unable to fight them after using dragon rage 10 times, hydro pump 5 times, bite 25 times and twister 15 times

    nothing about the original question puts gameplay limitations on move use, because yeah obviously they would run out of moves

    but even then, the lions still can't win, they can only avoid being completely obliterated

    and as mentioned, there are moves that hit all enemies, so the number of lions is kinda moot

    the best lions can hope for is to not go completely extinct

    Houk the Namebringer on
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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    Solar wrote: »
    A billion lions though

    893 pokemon, each having to fight over a million lions

    Nah

    no way

    And the weaker ones would get overwhelmed by even a single Lion, and the Lions would then roll into critical mass, which even the most powerful pokemon couldn't hope to defeat

    the pokemon could just stand on a third floor balcony

    also, as noted, many pokemon are large enough to crush several lions simply by moving. A billion lions can't do anything to an Onix.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    Are all the pokemon and lions dropped off an empty planet somewhere or is it a planet sized pokemon stadium

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
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    Even discounting legendaries how does any number of lions deal with a Magnezone? It's a flying hunk of steel that shoots lightning, the lions are fucked.

    it'll get exhausted eventually and run out of lightning

    if drops of water can erode stone then the fangs of a billion lions can break through steel
    I'm pretty sure erosion is pretty reliant on water's solvent properties though, so I'm not sure that principle would apply to lion fangs.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
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    do the lions have time to prepare

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Would the video games be the 'most' canon in terms of abilities and limitations, since the games came first and every other form of media is some type of spinoff/offshoot of those?

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
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    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules
    I dunno, stuff like surf or earthquake hits every target on the field at once. You might just need one pokemon who knows an AOE move like that to be able to defeat any arbitrarily large number of lions.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    the closest pokemon's ever gotten to this scenario is the horde fights in gen 6

    which top out at 5 or 6 enemies but are clearly meant to be abstract representations of fighting a huge group of wild animals

    in those situations, moves that target everyone still target everyone, so if we're imposing video game rules then yeah I think one Surf or Earthquake would hit all one billion lions simultaneously

    i'm coming around on video game pokemon also winning this fight

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
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    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    if the lions aren't bound to the limitations of the game, they don't get its benefits either. which means they can't hit ghosts, so they still lose

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
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    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    There are a lot of moves that “hit every [thing] on the [battlefield]”

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    sandstorm/hail does 1/16th of your maximum health in damage to every non-rock and ground type every single turn, it fades after 5 turns assuming the pokemon don't get held items

    so if they can just use sandstorm or hail 4 times they automatically win

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