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1 Billions Lions vs 1 of Every Pokemon

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Pokemon
    sandstorm/hail does 1/16th of your maximum health in damage to every non-rock and ground type every single turn, it fades after 5 turns assuming the pokemon don't get held items

    so if they can just use sandstorm or hail 4 times they automatically win

    See this is how I get wrecked in competitive

    I’m all like mathing out whether flamethrower at 100% acc or fire blast at 85% is better and some nerd has put together a team that has an insta win condition if your own team hasn’t prepared for it

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    sandstorm/hail does 1/16th of your maximum health in damage to every non-rock and ground type every single turn, it fades after 5 turns assuming the pokemon don't get held items

    so if they can just use sandstorm or hail 4 times they automatically win

    See this is how I get wrecked in competitive

    I’m all like mathing out whether flamethrower at 100% acc or fire blast at 85% is better and some nerd has put together a team that has an insta win condition if your own team hasn’t prepared for it

    the answer used to be flamethrower but the consensus these days is fire blast

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    Magic Pink wrote: »
    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

    aka losing

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    if the lions aren't bound to the limitations of the game, they don't get its benefits either. which means they can't hit ghosts, so they still lose

    Most pokemon aren't magic. They're just different animals. 'Types' in pokemon aren't magic elements, either. They're just man-made classifications to try and explain the various behaviors and associations. If a pokemon bites another pokemon, it's not a 'magic' bite, it's just a regular bite, with teeth and stuff. The 'dark' type stuff is just there to explain why the bite impacts some pokemon more than others. It's why bite actually changed types between generations 1 and 2. As more information was discovered about its properties, its classification was changed.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    the closest pokemon's ever gotten to this scenario is the horde fights in gen 6

    which top out at 5 or 6 enemies but are clearly meant to be abstract representations of fighting a huge group of wild animals

    in those situations, moves that target everyone still target everyone, so if we're imposing video game rules then yeah I think one Surf or Earthquake would hit all one billion lions simultaneously

    i'm coming around on video game pokemon also winning this fight

    The amount of water and earth destruction generated to flood 1 billion lions at the same time would probably destroy whatever planet or world the battle took place in

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Pokemon
    Javen wrote: »
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    if the lions aren't bound to the limitations of the game, they don't get its benefits either. which means they can't hit ghosts, so they still lose

    Most pokemon aren't magic. They're just different animals. 'Types' in pokemon aren't magic elements, either. They're just man-made classifications to try and explain the various behaviors and associations. If a pokemon bites another pokemon, it's not a 'magic' bite, it's just a regular bite, with teeth and stuff. The 'dark' type stuff is just there to explain why the bite impacts some pokemon more than others. It's why bite actually changed types between generations 1 and 2. As more information was discovered about its properties, its classification was changed.

    that's fine and all, but some ghost pokemon are literal ghosts (or at the very least are animals that behave just like the things we would call ghosts behave). lion ain't gonna do shit to an actual spectral being.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    A billion is a very big number.

    I need some Pokemon information is what I need. How many Pokemon there are, for one.

    What moves they can learn, for another.

    Then we need to determine what Type a lion is and how much HP they have, along with other stats.

    Then we figure out which moves each Pokemon can do, and figure out, for each different Pokemon, which moves they can take to eliminate the maximum number of lions. Because it isn't just about raw damage but how many times they can perform that move.

    How many lions could, in a best-case scenario, be eliminated before all the Pokemon are reduced to having to Struggle?

    There is also a consideration of defense, that these lions are going to be attacking while the Pokemon are also attacking, and so we can't assume every Pokemon can get every attack off.

    But if we cannot find that the number of lions can even be reduced to a manageable number before the Pokemon are forced to injure themselves Struggling against their fors, then the lions will win through simple attrition.

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    Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
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    Genghis Kahn butchered an absurd number of people through wading into a crowd of people with axes. Folks under estimate the ability of a killing machine to methodically take out scores of less individually threatening foes.

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    A billion is a very big number.

    I need some Pokemon information is what I need. How many Pokemon there are, for one.

    What moves they can learn, for another.

    Then we need to determine what Type a lion is and how much HP they have, along with other stats.

    Then we figure out which moves each Pokemon can do, and figure out, for each different Pokemon, which moves they can take to eliminate the maximum number of lions. Because it isn't just about raw damage but how many times they can perform that move.

    How many lions could, in a best-case scenario, be eliminated before all the Pokemon are reduced to having to Struggle?

    There is also a consideration of defense, that these lions are going to be attacking while the Pokemon are also attacking, and so we can't assume every Pokemon can get every attack off.

    But if we cannot find that the number of lions can even be reduced to a manageable number before the Pokemon are forced to injure themselves Struggling against their fors, then the lions will win through simple attrition.

    Steelix is a one ton 30 foot snake made of steel. Simple attrition doesn't enter in to it when some basic pokemon can defeat multiple lions at once by moving forward at a normal pace. Think of it like this. Could an elephant trample a lion? Sure! But there are a billion lions. But the elephant is invincible so it doesn't matter.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
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    Peas wrote: »
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    the closest pokemon's ever gotten to this scenario is the horde fights in gen 6

    which top out at 5 or 6 enemies but are clearly meant to be abstract representations of fighting a huge group of wild animals

    in those situations, moves that target everyone still target everyone, so if we're imposing video game rules then yeah I think one Surf or Earthquake would hit all one billion lions simultaneously

    i'm coming around on video game pokemon also winning this fight

    The amount of water and earth destruction generated to flood 1 billion lions at the same time would probably destroy whatever planet or world the battle took place in
    Being able to do that is an established feat of Kyogre.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    A billion lions is like 7 billion tons
    Edit: I have no idea how much a ton is

    Peas on
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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    Peas wrote: »
    A billion lions is like 7 billion tons

    hmmmmm

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    if the lions aren't bound to the limitations of the game, they don't get its benefits either. which means they can't hit ghosts, so they still lose

    Most pokemon aren't magic. They're just different animals. 'Types' in pokemon aren't magic elements, either. They're just man-made classifications to try and explain the various behaviors and associations. If a pokemon bites another pokemon, it's not a 'magic' bite, it's just a regular bite, with teeth and stuff. The 'dark' type stuff is just there to explain why the bite impacts some pokemon more than others. It's why bite actually changed types between generations 1 and 2. As more information was discovered about its properties, its classification was changed.

    that's fine and all, but some ghost pokemon are literal ghosts (or at the very least are animals that behave just like the things we would call ghosts behave). lion ain't gonna do shit to an actual spectral being.

    Why not? There are a ton of non-magic, regular-ass animal Pokémon that can learn Bite and ace any of the ghost Pokémon.

    If a Rattata can clown on a Gengar by chomping on its face, a lion can definitely do the same.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    nothing can defeat a billion lions

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
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    Lalabox wrote: »
    nothing can defeat a billion lions
    A billion lions doesn't have shit on 10,000 rats.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
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    Lalabox wrote: »
    nothing can defeat a billion lions

    what about a billion and one lions

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
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    Xaquin wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    A billion is a very big number.

    I need some Pokemon information is what I need. How many Pokemon there are, for one.

    What moves they can learn, for another.

    Then we need to determine what Type a lion is and how much HP they have, along with other stats.

    Then we figure out which moves each Pokemon can do, and figure out, for each different Pokemon, which moves they can take to eliminate the maximum number of lions. Because it isn't just about raw damage but how many times they can perform that move.

    How many lions could, in a best-case scenario, be eliminated before all the Pokemon are reduced to having to Struggle?

    There is also a consideration of defense, that these lions are going to be attacking while the Pokemon are also attacking, and so we can't assume every Pokemon can get every attack off.

    But if we cannot find that the number of lions can even be reduced to a manageable number before the Pokemon are forced to injure themselves Struggling against their fors, then the lions will win through simple attrition.

    Steelix is a one ton 30 foot snake made of steel. Simple attrition doesn't enter in to it when some basic pokemon can defeat multiple lions at once by moving forward at a normal pace. Think of it like this. Could an elephant trample a lion? Sure! But there are a billion lions. But the elephant is invincible so it doesn't matter.

    It might take a while, but yeah.

    Alternatively, what's the lifespan of a lion? Just have the really ancient legends wait another 50 years underground and win by age.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    Lalabox wrote: »
    nothing can defeat a billion lions

    psssh the human race could easily. and we aren't even one ton steel monsters

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
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    If the grass type pokemon just chill would the lions even bother them.

    Like vileplume smells really bad and isn't made of meat I think the lions would just ignore it

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
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    A lot of the steel types are going to be rough for the lions to deal with. Metagross also I'd give good odds on being able to defend itself long enough for the lions to starve to death.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    Is there a large body of water for Pokémon like Wailord?

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    Mill wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure most poison type pokemon would have a tool kit where they could easily poison the fuck out of a large number of lions. Sure some pokemon might get killed, but the lions are going to lose; especially, when we factor in abilities that have AoE capability. AoEs specifically exist to render numerical advantages moot.

    Sludge. Wave.

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

    aka losing

    is it losing to not engage with a bunch of jerks?

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
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    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

    aka losing

    is it losing to not engage with a bunch of jerks?

    us or the pokemon?

    also, as if more proof was needed

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    From what I understand, lions are pretty territorial against other tribes. Tribes are usually something like 30-40 lions max?

    So that's like 25ish million individual tribes you gotta space right out or else they'll just start killing each other

    I reckon a bunch of pokemon could take a few dozen lions at a time without too much issue

    Brovid Hasselsmof can you fact check me please, this is important

    Lions are wusses. You can literally just walk towards a lion and it will run away. Versus a load of giant electric fish monsters and ghost plants that breathe fire or whatever weird shit Pokémon do I would not bet on the lions.

    And we already have evidence of lions being unable to circumvent a Pokemon's defenses:

    https://youtu.be/P9J1QzPmTyU

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    Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Pokemon
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

    aka losing

    is it losing to not engage with a bunch of jerks?

    Wherever they are the ecology can't support a billion lions, most of the lions and pokemon will starve to death, the pokemon who don't need to eat can take out the few surviving lions.
    Victory: Pokemon.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    Is there a large body of water for Pokémon like Wailord?

    Wailord has never needed a large body of water, just a warm Skitty

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    I feel like lions also win by being real

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Pokemon
    Solar wrote: »
    I feel like lions also win by being real

    Pikachu is real, and strong, and my friend

    I ate an engineer
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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    Pokemon
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    pokemon can only fight like 2 or 3 targets at once

    theyd be torn to shreds by a billion lions who do not work by turn based combat rules

    if the lions aren't bound to the limitations of the game, they don't get its benefits either. which means they can't hit ghosts, so they still lose

    Most pokemon aren't magic. They're just different animals. 'Types' in pokemon aren't magic elements, either. They're just man-made classifications to try and explain the various behaviors and associations. If a pokemon bites another pokemon, it's not a 'magic' bite, it's just a regular bite, with teeth and stuff. The 'dark' type stuff is just there to explain why the bite impacts some pokemon more than others. It's why bite actually changed types between generations 1 and 2. As more information was discovered about its properties, its classification was changed.

    that's fine and all, but some ghost pokemon are literal ghosts (or at the very least are animals that behave just like the things we would call ghosts behave). lion ain't gonna do shit to an actual spectral being.

    Why not? There are a ton of non-magic, regular-ass animal Pokémon that can learn Bite and ace any of the ghost Pokémon.

    If a Rattata can clown on a Gengar by chomping on its face, a lion can definitely do the same.

    my take is that having the capability to bite isn't the same as knowing the move Bite. if a pokemon has a mouth and teeth it can bite, but not every pokemon with a mouth and teeth can use Bite. and if you can't use Bite, the act of biting a Gengar wouldn't have any effect. and lions aren't pokemon, so they can't learn Bite, even though they can bite.

    yes i know this is a stupid argument and no i don't care. lions lose every time.

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    mcpmcp Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    I read the question wrong

    I thought it was who would you rather fight

    I mean, I don't want to fight either but i guess lions

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Pokemon
    Solar wrote: »
    I feel like lions also win by being real

    that's changing the question!

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    Solar wrote: »
    I feel like lions also win by being real

    Boo this person!

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    MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    Pokemon
    A billion is a lot. But.. flying... Unless they make a large lion-tower, I don't see it. And I don't think lions could coordinate like that.

    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    how many pokemon you think kraven the hunter could take down? all of 'em? i bet kraven could off 'em all.

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    ChallChall Registered User regular
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    Kraven could do really good but then he grabs Aegislash by the handle and his soul gets dragged to Hell.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    how many pokemon you think kraven the hunter could take down? all of 'em? i bet kraven could off 'em all.

    Not Bendis’ Kraven

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    the lions would not bother with this bullshit and leave

    aka losing

    is it losing to not engage with a bunch of jerks?

    us or the pokemon?

    also, as if more proof was needed

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    the only proof there is that nerd gamers think animals that don't exist would beat a bunch of lions.

    that's why the lions leave, there is no one else there

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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    1 Billion Lions
    Everyone on the Pokemon side is just handwaving away that they'd run out of PP. In order to be fair these have to be wild pokemon so there's no trainer to carry them to a center. A pokemon lying exhausted on the ground being stood on by a lion is still defeated.

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