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i'm not even sure what a [movie] is

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    Never in a million years would I have guessed the plot to drive angry. I can’t quite remember what the marketing was back then but I was expecting a taken with cars, and while that’s technically true it really isn’t.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I am reminded of two years ago when my best friend, his (ex)girlfriend, and I were trying to decide on which movie to watch one night, so we put our top two suggestions each into an online spinning-wheel.

    I was victorious with Drive Angry, a cinematic classic.

    And after the movie my best friend's (ex)girlfriend casually remarked, "That's the worst film I have ever seen."

    God, what a fuckin great movie.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    that movie might be William Fichtner's best work

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Watched Mitchell's vs the Machines

    It's enjoyable

    I can't stop laughing about Danny McBride doing a Seth Rogan impersonation for two hours.

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    that movie might be William Fichtner's best work

    i would give that to drowning mona, simply for this look

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    notyanotya Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Watched Mitchell's vs the Machines

    It's enjoyable

    I can't stop laughing about Danny McBride doing a Seth Rogan impersonation for two hours.

    thank god I wasn't the only one that was continually hearing seth rogan.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    that movie might be William Fichtner's best work

    i would give that to drowning mona, simply for this look

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    William Fichtner is up there with David Straithairn as an actor I've liked in everything.

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    A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Same. I'll add Holt McCallany to that list for me.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular


    Twitter thread about the fight against Disney's bizarre legal bullshit about buying contracts and not honoring them.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    But isn't it all worth it to see spider man's hanging out with the x man's on avengers man towers

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    fuck off disney

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    "we only bought the parts of the contracts we liked" is so brazen an argument.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Disney is an actively evil company

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    honovere wrote: »
    "we only bought the parts of the contracts we liked" is so brazen an argument.

    They're going to run this all the way up to SCOTUS and the justices are going to blink.

    Hacksaw on
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    MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Its got to be so little money they're saving too which makes it even crazier.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Absolutely no appeals court will be willing to listen to a case about an extremely settled aspect of contract law.

    Disney will just settle out of court each time someone brings litigation against them.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    Its got to be so little money they're saving too which makes it even crazier.

    It's not about the money, it's about the control. By paying these authors, there's an implicit suggestion that Disney does not own these properties and they could potentially find themselves in violation of the contract or it could even just expire on them, and then they lose those rights.

    By pulling their calvinball bullshit and going "We have the rights but no longer are under obligation of the contract" then they basically are saying contracts say what they want them to say, and whatever written down is worthless. Right now they're hiding this behind the Fox aquisition, but if it works here they will absolutely try to extend it out to every fucking thing they've ever touched.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    "we only bought the parts of the contracts we liked" is so brazen an argument.

    They're going to run this all the way up to SCOTUSA and the justices are going to blink.

    I'm actually not sure.

    The thread mentions this aspect of it, but just to restate it - in addition to this being actively evil in the present, if they are able to get away with it it would actively fuck up contracts with any sort of royalty component, permanently and in perpetuity. It would enable the contract writers to sell those contracts to shell companies, ditch the financial obligations, and pocket all the money. It would render contracts largely illusory. And it's the sort of thing that corporations could use against each other, so I'm not sure they'll open a can of worms of quite that size.

    But we live in very stupid times, so, who knows.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I think it's possible that the courts could determine that contracts are to be fulfilled on a discretionary basis, determined by whichever party has more power

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    If the courts up through SCOTUS decide to overturn the bedrock of contract law we have got so many bigger problems than Disney screwing creators over.

    That would essentially destroy modern society overnight, and I'm really not being hyperbolic to say that.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    If the courts up through SCOTUS decide to overturn the bedrock of contract law we have got so many bigger problems than Disney screwing creators over.

    That would essentially destroy modern society overnight, and I'm really not being hyperbolic to say that.

    frankly the argument disney is making with this shit is so patently absurd and unbelievable that I can't believe they're actually doing it, like how did their lawyers let them try this shit, but every day I don't hear about this going to court and getting them absolutely thrown in a trashcan with all legal fees and massive punitive damages awarded to the author's estate I start to feel the dread creep up my spine a little more

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    My dad used to get a royalty check from Bantam every once in a while for the two Star Wars short stories he wrote. It was always like some tiny amount but those two anthologies kept selling.

    He has not gotten a single one since Disney.

    This is sadly not a new thing for authors, especially when publishers get bought and change.

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    akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    Covid postponed, hopefully for a while, the next turn of the screw from Disney and the terms they force theaters to operate under.
    They made some big reaches on Star Wars in terms of how much cut the theaters get and minimum screen counts etc.

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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    My dad used to get a royalty check from Bantam every once in a while for the two Star Wars short stories he wrote. It was always like some tiny amount but those two anthologies kept selling.

    He has not gotten a single one since Disney.

    This is sadly not a new thing for authors, especially when publishers get bought and change.

    From context I am guessing Authors have nothing like the screen actors guild to back them on things like royalties?

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    If the courts up through SCOTUS decide to overturn the bedrock of contract law we have got so many bigger problems than Disney screwing creators over.

    That would essentially destroy modern society overnight, and I'm really not being hyperbolic to say that.

    frankly the argument disney is making with this shit is so patently absurd and unbelievable that I can't believe they're actually doing it, like how did their lawyers let them try this shit, but every day I don't hear about this going to court and getting them absolutely thrown in a trashcan with all legal fees and massive punitive damages awarded to the author's estate I start to feel the dread creep up my spine a little more

    Someone has to actually bring litigation against Disney for it to end up in a court, and you need a lot of money and legal muscle before "let's pick a legal fight with Disney" isn't a completely suicidal idea.

    Part of Cory's tweet thread is about a coalition that's trying to get lawyers and funding together explicitly for that purpose.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    DJ Eebs wrote: »
    Disney is an actively evil company

    Extremely.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    the audacity of it is something else. Like you can bet your bippy if someone bought Sony and tried to pull this shit with the Spider-Man license, Disney would come down on them with every lawyer they could possibly find.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    Yeah they formed a task force
    https://comicyears.com/books/disney-must-pay-task-force/

    A lot of this is why I can't muster anything beyond "ok I guess" as far as new marvel movies go. Forget that it's all just streamlining entertainment to be incredibly bland and safe, they make billions of dollars and just fuck the content creators. The fact that Ed Brubaker makes more from residuals from his guest appearance in winter soldier, then any other think involving winter soldier is a crime. They make a profit by selling good vs evil stories while being as evil as they fucking can when it would cost them barely anything to not.

    Tell me that alan dean fosters royalties cost as much as anything star wars brings in.

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    Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Hawkstone wrote: »
    My dad used to get a royalty check from Bantam every once in a while for the two Star Wars short stories he wrote. It was always like some tiny amount but those two anthologies kept selling.

    He has not gotten a single one since Disney.

    This is sadly not a new thing for authors, especially when publishers get bought and change.

    From context I am guessing Authors have nothing like the screen actors guild to back them on things like royalties?

    Nope. Basically you need a really good agent.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Got the three year old to watch Kiki's Delivery Service, which I've never seen, and this movie is like a well worn crocheted afghan. Visual ambien.

    I mean that in a good way it's just so chill.

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Got the three year old to watch Kiki's Delivery Service, which I've never seen, and this movie is like a well worn crocheted afghan. Visual ambien.

    I mean that in a good way it's just so chill.

    I was worried this, My Neighbor Totoro, and Ponyo would be too slow for my hyperactive 6 year-old, but he loves them.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    See, the thing is

    Ponyo?

    She loves ham

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    The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    angie?

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    See, the thing is

    Ponyo?

    She loves ham

    If she loves ham, show her the D&D movie. Between Jeremy Irons and Thora Birch, that movie is hammier than a sausage deli.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
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    HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Yeah they formed a task force
    https://comicyears.com/books/disney-must-pay-task-force/

    A lot of this is why I can't muster anything beyond "ok I guess" as far as new marvel movies go. Forget that it's all just streamlining entertainment to be incredibly bland and safe, they make billions of dollars and just fuck the content creators. The fact that Ed Brubaker makes more from residuals from his guest appearance in winter soldier, then any other think involving winter soldier is a crime. They make a profit by selling good vs evil stories while being as evil as they fucking can when it would cost them barely anything to not.

    Tell me that alan dean fosters royalties cost as much as anything star wars brings in.

    If you are looking for justice in creators getting paid for their creations Comics is never going to be the place to find it sadly. That whole deal is pretty iron clad.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    People getting themselves bent out of shape about a crotchety old man grousing about modern entertainment is so fucking funny

    That's what old dudes do, it's fucking hysterical to me to imagine getting upset about it

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    honovere wrote: »

    I didn't really need an excuse to watch Last Action Hero, but I'll take it

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    Maddoc wrote: »
    See, the thing is

    Ponyo?

    She loves ham

    hearing rumors she also loves Sōsuke

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    "we only bought the parts of the contracts we liked" is so brazen an argument.

    They're going to run this all the way up to SCOTUS and the justices are going to blink.

    I'm actually not sure.

    The thread mentions this aspect of it, but just to restate it - in addition to this being actively evil in the present, if they are able to get away with it it would actively fuck up contracts with any sort of royalty component, permanently and in perpetuity. It would enable the contract writers to sell those contracts to shell companies, ditch the financial obligations, and pocket all the money. It would render contracts largely illusory. And it's the sort of thing that corporations could use against each other, so I'm not sure they'll open a can of worms of quite that size.

    But we live in very stupid times, so, who knows.

    You have far more faith in this composition of SCOTUS than I do.

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