It's clear that players want a subscription service that gives you day one access to PlayStation exclusives, and ideally they would stay on that service indefinitely so it would become a better deal over time. Now that doesn't necessarily have to be exactly what GamePass does? But they are leaving money on the table by not having a version of that
Ugh. Just let Gamepass be on PS, why does everyone need to make a competing product to clutter up the place with the rest.
Gamepass has games that don't play on Playstation and this will vice versa have games that don't play on Xbox. They aren't the same service because they're different? Also, why would Sony want to fork over sub fees to Microsoft? This complaint makes no sense to me.
It's yet another subscription product to clutter things up because everyone is making subscription products and apps. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount+, sure they're all different shows but they can also all fuck off for making entertainment even more expensive.
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Ugh. Just let Gamepass be on PS, why does everyone need to make a competing product to clutter up the place with the rest.
That err.....no make sense. From a technical and commercial standpoint.
No real issue from a technical standpoint. There are already games that only work on one or two of the current three GamePass platforms.
But getting Sony and Microsoft to run a subscription service like that under a single roof? Hah! Even if the stars did align and it happened, it would just be twice as expensive, so it wouldn’t really matter.
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Ugh. Just let Gamepass be on PS, why does everyone need to make a competing product to clutter up the place with the rest.
Gamepass has games that don't play on Playstation and this will vice versa have games that don't play on Xbox. They aren't the same service because they're different? Also, why would Sony want to fork over sub fees to Microsoft? This complaint makes no sense to me.
It's yet another subscription product to clutter things up because everyone is making subscription products and apps. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount+, sure they're all different shows but they can also all fuck off for making entertainment even more expensive.
Most people have an Xbox or a Playstation. Even for rubes like myself who eventually get both, I don't buy the whole nine yards of products and services for both. My Ps4 has never and will never get PS+, it's solely for playing fun games I can't get on Xbox. It's not really the same situation as TV show streaming at all. You're also directly asking for a Monopoly on these services, which historically does not work out in the customer's favor. If Netflix was the only game in town, their pricing would be like $50 a month.
The whole idea that we should charge people more to let them try demos of games seems pretty telling.
Like the whole point of a demo is to try and get people to buy your game or help them discover games they're likely to buy.
Why wouldn't you want more people to do so.
Instead the mentality is it's another perk people will pay more for, so lock it up up there.
Xbox's service is huge because they managed to look past the idea that they could get more money for a specific benefit or game and figured out if we make this attractive enough we'll make it up in volume.
Was it back on the 360 that almost every (if not every) game on the digital store had a free demo? Or am I imagining that?
Every Xbox Live Arcade game was required to have a free demo, yes. That requirement was removed when they ditched the branding for Xbox 1. I wouldn't be too mournful though, that program also had a lot of weird drawbacks, like maximum file sizes and patch fees so high the Xbox version ended up never being patched compared to other versions of the same game (Fez is a standout example).
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Sony is the only one that makes devs pay them money if they do cross-platform support, there’s no way they would allow gamepass on their system.
Ugh. Just let Gamepass be on PS, why does everyone need to make a competing product to clutter up the place with the rest.
Gamepass has games that don't play on Playstation and this will vice versa have games that don't play on Xbox. They aren't the same service because they're different? Also, why would Sony want to fork over sub fees to Microsoft? This complaint makes no sense to me.
It's yet another subscription product to clutter things up because everyone is making subscription products and apps. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount+, sure they're all different shows but they can also all fuck off for making entertainment even more expensive.
Most people have an Xbox or a Playstation. Even for rubes like myself who eventually get both, I don't buy the whole nine yards of products and services for both. My Ps4 has never and will never get PS+, it's solely for playing fun games I can't get on Xbox. It's not really the same situation as TV show streaming at all. You're also directly asking for a Monopoly on these services, which historically does not work out in the customer's favor. If Netflix was the only game in town, their pricing would be like $50 a month.
You realize I grew up in the time when Netflix WAS the only game in town right? Back when they slung DVDs through the mail as the only mail service rental and Blockbusters roamed the earth. Before the Amazon. Before the [Mouse] Empire.
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Was it back on the 360 that almost every (if not every) game on the digital store had a free demo? Or am I imagining that?
Every Xbox Live Arcade game was required to have a free demo, yes. That requirement was removed when they ditched the branding for Xbox 1. I wouldn't be too mournful though, that program also had a lot of weird drawbacks, like maximum file sizes and patch fees so high the Xbox version ended up never being patched compared to other versions of the same game (Fez is a standout example).
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking of. I don’t necessarily think it should be required of all games, because a demo is a legitimate workload for a small dev to add to the work of actually making the game, but it sure would be nice for any “big” game.
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Ugh. Just let Gamepass be on PS, why does everyone need to make a competing product to clutter up the place with the rest.
Gamepass has games that don't play on Playstation and this will vice versa have games that don't play on Xbox. They aren't the same service because they're different? Also, why would Sony want to fork over sub fees to Microsoft? This complaint makes no sense to me.
It's yet another subscription product to clutter things up because everyone is making subscription products and apps. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount+, sure they're all different shows but they can also all fuck off for making entertainment even more expensive.
Most people have an Xbox or a Playstation. Even for rubes like myself who eventually get both, I don't buy the whole nine yards of products and services for both. My Ps4 has never and will never get PS+, it's solely for playing fun games I can't get on Xbox. It's not really the same situation as TV show streaming at all. You're also directly asking for a Monopoly on these services, which historically does not work out in the customer's favor. If Netflix was the only game in town, their pricing would be like $50 a month.
You realize I grew up in the time when Netflix WAS the only game in town right? Back when they slung DVDs through the mail as the only mail service rental and Blockbusters roamed the earth. Before the Amazon. Before the [Mouse] Empire.
I would wager most of us did. This isn't some unique experience to try to make your point with. The Netflix of that time was dramatically worse in a lot of ways, they were still building the service up. People didn't necessarily have the internet connection to support using it, their TV couldn't naturally use apps so they had to buy a Wii or something. No HD versions, worse support for things like subtitles, etc. Trying a brand new thing and being the only major player in that market is not at all similar to wishing for a monopoly in a fully mature market.
paying for demos is some insane shit, why in the world would I ever pay a monthly fee so I can try a game sometimes??
one way i thought of to let people try games without developers having to make a demo would be something like streaming the full game from their servers but with a dummy profile so you don't get trophies or save files or whatnot
so i could see something like that being included in their paid streaming service
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Its not missing the point. It, currently, makes no sense for them to do that.
Expecting them to light some money on fire just because someone else did is not a realistic expectation.
Sony and MSOFT don't need to,and really shouldn't, just copy everything the other does wholesale. Thats not actually a good thing.
Let MSOFT be the gamepass place. Let that be their strength. Let Sony keep doing what they do. That is still them competing in a way that is generally more beneficial.
They probably leaked all the info themselves to gauge folks reaction, just to see what pricing they can get away with
What do you base this off of
The discourse around the subject seems very convenient given the Bloomberg report knows things down to small details. It's a significant leak right before the initial announcement, and they already faced backlash for trying to back out on Horizon sequel pricing
Its not missing the point. It, currently, makes no sense for them to do that.
Expecting them to light some money on fire just because someone else did is not a realistic expectation.
Sony and MSOFT don't need to,and really shouldn't, just copy everything the other does wholesale. Thats not actually a good thing.
Let MSOFT be the gamepass place. Let that be their strength. Let Sony keep doing what they do. That is still them competing in a way that is generally more beneficial.
It's Sony's game to lose and before long, MS won't be the only player they have to worry about
They probably leaked all the info themselves to gauge folks reaction, just to see what pricing they can get away with
What do you base this off of
The discourse around the subject seems very convenient given the Bloomberg report knows things down to small details. It's a significant leak right before the initial announcement, and they already faced backlash for trying to back out on Horizon sequel pricing
No why do you think one of the biggest corporations on the planet would do market research by leaking details to a single journalist at a niche industry outlet to "gauge folks reactions"
How would they gauge those, what would the mechanisms be, how what they gather the data, how would they interpret the data, why would they do it this weird circuitous way instead of using their internal market research teams, why would they be doing research so close to the launch of the service, who decided to do things this way, what would the pitch on that proposal have looked like, how would someone convince their dozens of bosses that this was a good idea
Like what grounding in the mechanics of reality does this theory have, is I guess what I'm asking
Because they did the thing with Horizon, people lost their shit, and they caved and made good on it. If they "leak" it and people pre-emptively hate it, they can retool it or otherwise alter plans without having to lose face.
Its not missing the point. It, currently, makes no sense for them to do that.
Expecting them to light some money on fire just because someone else did is not a realistic expectation.
Sony and MSOFT don't need to,and really shouldn't, just copy everything the other does wholesale. Thats not actually a good thing.
Let MSOFT be the gamepass place. Let that be their strength. Let Sony keep doing what they do. That is still them competing in a way that is generally more beneficial.
It's Sony's game to lose and before long, MS won't be the only player they have to worry about
... Okay, I'll bite. What other player? Because if you're expecting Nintendo to do anything with online other than look at it with distrust and fear...
Its not missing the point. It, currently, makes no sense for them to do that.
Expecting them to light some money on fire just because someone else did is not a realistic expectation.
Sony and MSOFT don't need to,and really shouldn't, just copy everything the other does wholesale. Thats not actually a good thing.
Let MSOFT be the gamepass place. Let that be their strength. Let Sony keep doing what they do. That is still them competing in a way that is generally more beneficial.
It's Sony's game to lose and before long, MS won't be the only player they have to worry about
And I'm sure they've done a lot more homework and understand their financial situation much better than you.
MSOFT is the one who had to carve out their own path to be competive. That path is a different route that is easier for them due to having much more money and being able to take much bigger loses for longer periods.
Unless you've got some numbers or insider info showing that taking losses for some years, having a price war with a company that has way more money and that the format will manage to be sustainable in a such a way that will make larger profits than what they have going now then I'm not sure why you think this is so important.
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That err.....no make sense. From a technical and commercial standpoint.
It's yet another subscription product to clutter things up because everyone is making subscription products and apps. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount+, sure they're all different shows but they can also all fuck off for making entertainment even more expensive.
No real issue from a technical standpoint. There are already games that only work on one or two of the current three GamePass platforms.
But getting Sony and Microsoft to run a subscription service like that under a single roof? Hah! Even if the stars did align and it happened, it would just be twice as expensive, so it wouldn’t really matter.
Most people have an Xbox or a Playstation. Even for rubes like myself who eventually get both, I don't buy the whole nine yards of products and services for both. My Ps4 has never and will never get PS+, it's solely for playing fun games I can't get on Xbox. It's not really the same situation as TV show streaming at all. You're also directly asking for a Monopoly on these services, which historically does not work out in the customer's favor. If Netflix was the only game in town, their pricing would be like $50 a month.
Like the whole point of a demo is to try and get people to buy your game or help them discover games they're likely to buy.
Why wouldn't you want more people to do so.
Instead the mentality is it's another perk people will pay more for, so lock it up up there.
Xbox's service is huge because they managed to look past the idea that they could get more money for a specific benefit or game and figured out if we make this attractive enough we'll make it up in volume.
Because they don't want 70% of that $10 a month to go to their competitor?
I don't disagree with the sentiment you have, but you might as well ask why consoles have exclusives at all.
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Every Xbox Live Arcade game was required to have a free demo, yes. That requirement was removed when they ditched the branding for Xbox 1. I wouldn't be too mournful though, that program also had a lot of weird drawbacks, like maximum file sizes and patch fees so high the Xbox version ended up never being patched compared to other versions of the same game (Fez is a standout example).
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You realize I grew up in the time when Netflix WAS the only game in town right? Back when they slung DVDs through the mail as the only mail service rental and Blockbusters roamed the earth. Before the Amazon. Before the [Mouse] Empire.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking of. I don’t necessarily think it should be required of all games, because a demo is a legitimate workload for a small dev to add to the work of actually making the game, but it sure would be nice for any “big” game.
I would wager most of us did. This isn't some unique experience to try to make your point with. The Netflix of that time was dramatically worse in a lot of ways, they were still building the service up. People didn't necessarily have the internet connection to support using it, their TV couldn't naturally use apps so they had to buy a Wii or something. No HD versions, worse support for things like subtitles, etc. Trying a brand new thing and being the only major player in that market is not at all similar to wishing for a monopoly in a fully mature market.
Ok. Then don't. Gimme the ones from last year. Or some indie games. Something. Anything.
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What do you base this off of
one way i thought of to let people try games without developers having to make a demo would be something like streaming the full game from their servers but with a dummy profile so you don't get trophies or save files or whatnot
so i could see something like that being included in their paid streaming service
Its not missing the point. It, currently, makes no sense for them to do that.
Expecting them to light some money on fire just because someone else did is not a realistic expectation.
Sony and MSOFT don't need to,and really shouldn't, just copy everything the other does wholesale. Thats not actually a good thing.
Let MSOFT be the gamepass place. Let that be their strength. Let Sony keep doing what they do. That is still them competing in a way that is generally more beneficial.
The discourse around the subject seems very convenient given the Bloomberg report knows things down to small details. It's a significant leak right before the initial announcement, and they already faced backlash for trying to back out on Horizon sequel pricing
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It's Sony's game to lose and before long, MS won't be the only player they have to worry about
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And if so what do I get for whatever I currently pay for ps+, if anything?
No why do you think one of the biggest corporations on the planet would do market research by leaking details to a single journalist at a niche industry outlet to "gauge folks reactions"
How would they gauge those, what would the mechanisms be, how what they gather the data, how would they interpret the data, why would they do it this weird circuitous way instead of using their internal market research teams, why would they be doing research so close to the launch of the service, who decided to do things this way, what would the pitch on that proposal have looked like, how would someone convince their dozens of bosses that this was a good idea
Like what grounding in the mechanics of reality does this theory have, is I guess what I'm asking
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I never let that stop me, I would have to take a vow of silence
... Okay, I'll bite. What other player? Because if you're expecting Nintendo to do anything with online other than look at it with distrust and fear...
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And I'm sure they've done a lot more homework and understand their financial situation much better than you.
MSOFT is the one who had to carve out their own path to be competive. That path is a different route that is easier for them due to having much more money and being able to take much bigger loses for longer periods.
Unless you've got some numbers or insider info showing that taking losses for some years, having a price war with a company that has way more money and that the format will manage to be sustainable in a such a way that will make larger profits than what they have going now then I'm not sure why you think this is so important.
If it doesn't do, or even really get close, to what Gamepass is, then it's not doing a good job of that.
Idk Sony doesn't seem to either since they put their heads right up their own ass with the pricing scheme of next gen games
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but also: capitalism is bad for the consumer actually
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