man, the twitch chat for JeffG's stream is a lot more "bro" than I can stand I think
There is an element of Gerstmann's growing fanbase that I find increasingly sycophantic to the point of hostility against anyone who aren't the original Giant Bomb cast. I just try to shut it out because just like anime, it ain't the content that's the problem
I have to say that after the news of Jeff leaving last week and the thought of not seeing him not interacting with the crew anymore and all that, things have actually panned out really well. Because really, Gerstmann remaining while always having so little time/sleep and feeling stressed and doing managerial things he had no desire to do is a major bummer to think about. He is clearly pretty happy doing what he is doing now.
And that he immediately put up his own thing like the Nextlander guys and went right at it was a relief as we're still getting plenty of Jeff in his element for some time. But unlike Nextlander where I really like 66.6 percent of those involved (and ultimately the other 33.3 percent is a dealbreaker), I love 100 percent of those involved in the Jeff Gerstmann Show.
Then back to Giant Bomb, the very next day and there was no longer any worry. Dan Ryckert is fucking back and already making everything since the announcement that he is back that he has touched a blast! As much as Gerstmann toiled under the corporate tedium of Red Ventures Dan (its been revealed now) was doing the same for what is really just an all around shit organization.
Plus, if one (other) person can carry on something on his own, its Jeff. He has already had a special guest too and I'm sure he will have plenty to come. And his exit lined up with the only person to leave Giant Bomb before last week that I really followed while away from the site. Dan's Twitch hijinks were great and I got into both Panning The Stream and Fire Escape. He put in the work to do a lot of dumb and entertaining stuff and I was there for it. The weird departure of the co creator of Giant Bomb aside, the best content creator is back and it seems like everyone is doing what they want to be doing and exactly where they want to be. I'm happy not only for them, but also with the results.
According to some people on the NextLander subreddit, the NextLander crew is well aware that people want them and Jeff to work or do something together, but there are no plans for that right now. I assume they want to extend the same courtesy to Jeff that was extended to them, which was being allowed to discover their own identity and voice outside GB.
There was also a gag on the Summer Games Fest stream where Vinny was streaming the Waypoint, Jeff Gerstmann, and Giant Bomb streams at the same time and saying they knew a lot of their viewers were probably watching 4 streams at once for obvious reasons.
Jan’s reaction to the Persona announcement was such a pure thing. He was just so happy and excited and nobody with an actual camera on them could even muster half a shit.
I enjoyed it and there were a couple times where Jess really had something to say. Her comments about being sick of the "I'm your reckoning" ultra serious protagonist type and wishing more games had the Bubsy "verbosity slider" (the only good thing about those games, where you could get him to chill the fuck out and not do brain dead fucking quips every five seconds) were things I could really get behind.
Edit: I guess Dan brought up the slider relistening/watching and Jess just backed that up immediately.
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conversely i found Jess incredibly annoying and she didn't seem interested in almost any of the games except scorn, and wouldn't stop talking about scorn.
conversely i found Jess incredibly annoying and she didn't seem interested in almost any of the games except scorn, and wouldn't stop talking about scorn.
different strokes
I surprisingly find her difficult on the Silent Hill show (I don't keep up with most of GB). She's got that fangirlish pressure to mention things with an undercurrent of ISN'T THIS AWESOME paired with the broken mind of someone engaging with a fandom for too long (Bob has a similar issue), throwing out corrections and factoids with amendments like either "don't @ me" or "so annoying" etc, with a few sprinkles of "don't quote me on that". Plus the neverending hate for Konami for "not caring". And I get the impression that she fake-laughs a lot
Regarding Jess, I have mad respect for anybody that puts up with the monumental amount of shit she gets online while still showing up day after day.
Vinnie talked a bit about the weird intersection of their jobs and celebrity on the Ramblecast this week and it resonated with me pretty hard. He basically said that reading a single bad comment on the wrong day can put your entire week into a tailspin. I can't even imagine the amount of pressure that puts on a person. Really has me second-guessing posting anything negative about individuals from any of these sites - which I'm definitely guilty of.
Vinnie talked a bit about the weird intersection of their jobs and celebrity on the Ramblecast this week and it resonated with me pretty hard. He basically said that reading a single bad comment on the wrong day can put your entire week into a tailspin. I can't even imagine the amount of pressure that puts on a person. Really has me second-guessing posting anything negative about individuals from any of these sites - which I'm definitely guilty of.
Sure, and people online tend to be assholes. And the GB community, at least in comment threads, has never been as "awesome" as the GB hosts claim it to be (deservedly so especially during charity events), so I'm not surprised. I don't see why I would second-guess myself because of those people though
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I think it's amazing jess is there, and i bet she gets so much shit and it fucking sucks
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
I think it's amazing jess is there, and i bet she gets so much shit and it fucking sucks
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
basically fandom is the worst.
You can definitely tell she's a goon and I think there's a reason something awful gained an unsavory reputation on the internet. It's basically a slightly less awful 4chan.
I think it's amazing jess is there, and i bet she gets so much shit and it fucking sucks
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
basically fandom is the worst.
You can definitely tell she's a goon and I think there's a reason something awful gained an unsavory reputation on the internet. It's basically a slightly less awful 4chan.
I think the way she seems to stress herself out and overtly self-deprecates at times stems from communities like that where people get shat on too much and unless you prove you're a "true [x]" you're even worse
it's a bummer, but that's the impression I get
e: and that basis probably makes the shit she probably gets since she joined GB even worse
Vinnie talked a bit about the weird intersection of their jobs and celebrity on the Ramblecast this week and it resonated with me pretty hard. He basically said that reading a single bad comment on the wrong day can put your entire week into a tailspin. I can't even imagine the amount of pressure that puts on a person. Really has me second-guessing posting anything negative about individuals from any of these sites - which I'm definitely guilty of.
Sure, and people online tend to be assholes. And the GB community, at least in comment threads, has never been as "awesome" as the GB hosts claim it to be (deservedly so especially during charity events), so I'm not surprised. I don't see why I would second-guess myself because of those people though
They are definitely related - as directly articulated by Vinnie in the podcast I mentioned.
It's a weird job where in just doing their job they're also under a microscope of public scrutiny wherein fans view their output as a commodity. Because a big part of that commodity is the people's personalities it results in random internet people like us making up arguments and criticisms about things like "fake laughs".
Like, imagine if your job came with the same level of public scrutiny? I certainly couldn't handle that and I'm SURE it would have an impact on the work product I put out.
I did not listen to that podcast, and I can't, because I'm not a patreon. So I can't know the exact context.
Either way, I don't post this on their socials or comment threads, so I'd argue that it's a bit different than what the people I referred to as "assholes" (remember the Klepek era of GB). Unless the staff's trawling the internet for threads and comments about themselves, which I a) doubt und b) would honestly not be my problem.
And I'm not "making up" anything, I just explained what my impression is, and why it is off-putting to me.
My original post had nothing to do with you so I'm not sure why you're arguing. I don't care what you do or do not post online. I was just pointing out that Nextlander just recently had a very pointed conversation on the topic. You not being able to listen to it shouldn't impact your understanding of the context that saying mean shit about people online does in fact impact them personally.
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I think it's amazing jess is there, and i bet she gets so much shit and it fucking sucks
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
basically fandom is the worst.
You can definitely tell she's a goon and I think there's a reason something awful gained an unsavory reputation on the internet. It's basically a slightly less awful 4chan.
something awful is more like a slightly worse Penny Arcade Forums, tbh.
Well I think what you're posting is part of the conversation, and I'm trying to figure out what your point is, which is why I'm trying to distinguish between being a shithead in a GB comment and posting things in a forum thread like this one.
And I just dislike conflating being put off by something someone does, especially on a personality-driven site, with "saying mean shit". That's what and why I'm arguing.
Unless you can see into her thoughts I can't see any "fake laugh" claims as anything but projection. Maybe she's nervous, or anxious, or maybe that's just her laugh.
Unless you can see into her thoughts I can't see any "fake laugh" claims as anything but projection. Maybe she's nervous, or anxious, or maybe that's just her laugh.
I argued above why I got that impression, and it's not the first time I've seen something like this. Sure, I could be wrong. You don't have to share my perspective or opinion, that's fine. Also for the record, I did not claim that every time she laughs, it's fake. It's the (what I perceive as) forced laugh after saying certain things that gives off the impression that she is insecure about it or wants to diminish it. And that's not "projection", it's something that gels with what community she comes from and the amount of times I've seen this exact behavior. Sure, that is a certain bias, but guess what, that's what we all have since we draw on our experiences and perspectives. And again, it bums me out more than it annoys me.
I think it's amazing jess is there, and i bet she gets so much shit and it fucking sucks
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
basically fandom is the worst.
You can definitely tell she's a goon and I think there's a reason something awful gained an unsavory reputation on the internet. It's basically a slightly less awful 4chan.
something awful is more like a slightly worse Penny Arcade Forums, tbh.
Okay, that was a pretty good bit. There is a Giant Bomb video that is some of the crew talking over trailers that slipped through the cracks and about halfway through Grub mutters about looking for some more future games and says "this is one from Namco Bandai" as a familiar looking ending cutscene where Heihachi defeats Ogre and then throws Jin out of a helicopter because he is overtaken by the Devil gene appears onscreen.
Well I think what you're posting is part of the conversation, and I'm trying to figure out what your point is, which is why I'm trying to distinguish between being a shithead in a GB comment and posting things in a forum thread like this one.
And I just dislike conflating being put off by something someone does, especially on a personality-driven site, with "saying mean shit". That's what and why I'm arguing.
My point is pretty well articulated above IMO.
Personality sites like GB are in a really weird place where their teams are both "staff" and "talent". The nature of their work exposes them to a lot of outside pressure and harassment (pointed or benign) and that can really fuck with a person's mental health and ego.
SO, people like you (or us, if that makes you feel better) feel perfectly ok to call out things like a person's laugh because we pay for the content and, as consumers, think it's fine to comment on our purchase or investment - and to some extent it is. That doesn't change the fact that on the other side of the equation there's a person sitting there just trying to their job like the rest of us - except they have to deal with a metric ton of online opinions telling them how they should do their job.
Well I think what you're posting is part of the conversation, and I'm trying to figure out what your point is, which is why I'm trying to distinguish between being a shithead in a GB comment and posting things in a forum thread like this one.
And I just dislike conflating being put off by something someone does, especially on a personality-driven site, with "saying mean shit". That's what and why I'm arguing.
My point is pretty well articulated above IMO.
Personality sites like GB are in a really weird place where their teams are both "staff" and "talent". The nature of their work exposes them to a lot of outside pressure and harassment (pointed or benign) and that can really fuck with a person's mental health and ego.
SO, people like you (or us, if that makes you feel better) feel perfectly ok to call out things like a person's laugh because we pay for the content and, as consumers, think it's fine to comment on our purchase or investment - and to some extent it is. That doesn't change the fact that on the other side of the equation there's a person sitting there just trying to their job like the rest of us - except they have to deal with a metric ton of online opinions telling them how they should do their job.
That part I got, what I asked you to differentiate is making those comments on their site and socials - i.e. "customers telling them what to do" - and talking about it on a forum like this, where they'd have to go out of their way to *look* for these posts, which are, in contrast to the aforementioned, not directed at them. Do you not agree that those are two very different things?
Like, I cannot listen/watch Waypoint videos and podcasts, because I don't want anything Klepek in my stuff (which is a bummer, because I like everybody else there). But I don't get on their socials or twitch chat and post "BOY I WOULD REALLY LOVE WAYPOINT IF PATRICK WASN'T THERE". Neither did I post "omg fire Dan" or some shit just because I can't stand most of his antics.
That's why I bristle at blanketing everything as "saying mean shit". The latter I've seen way too much *on their site* directed at Austin, at Patrick, at Abby. Much of it coming from a very specific capital G Gamer crowd. But if anyone being put off by something one of the staff says or does* immediately gets put into the same camp as those people, I wonder wtf is going on
*and again, I like Jess, it's just stretches and moments that stood out to me in the SH content that, well, read above.
I like Jess because she's a goon and thus she is from the old internet. Like I bet she'd know what YTMND was.
Abby's schtick of being super young never clicked with me, though.
I never found Abby funny. It wasn't necessarily an age thing but her style of comedy just didn't work for me. Humor is very much a personal thing and hers just wasn't for me. Very cool lady and I miss her interactions with the rest of the crew. However, I've had no interest in watching her solo Twitch stuff.
Jess is awesome. I think she's only a little younger than me but basically grew up/was influenced by the same internet culture (I was not a goon though but did browse the forums). We also both went to a private Catholic school and both completely noped out of religion because of it. Everything about her schtick is nearly perfectly in line with what I find funny. I don't share her love of janky indie horror games but I do like watching her play through and riff on them.
Yeah, I never enjoyed most of Abby's "comedy", but her dynamic with GBEast was great imo. And Fright or Shite was probably one of my favorite GB series ever
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We are watching the results of keeping a Chaos Elemental in stasis for four years without any means of letting his creative energy out into the world.
What? Have you seen his twitch? He has had outlets just fine.
The problem is, his energy has only grown. The man cannot be contained. Only endured.
There is an element of Gerstmann's growing fanbase that I find increasingly sycophantic to the point of hostility against anyone who aren't the original Giant Bomb cast. I just try to shut it out because just like anime, it ain't the content that's the problem
the joke about mcdonald's sprite being some sort of extreme substance because it's very carbonated I think?
And that he immediately put up his own thing like the Nextlander guys and went right at it was a relief as we're still getting plenty of Jeff in his element for some time. But unlike Nextlander where I really like 66.6 percent of those involved (and ultimately the other 33.3 percent is a dealbreaker), I love 100 percent of those involved in the Jeff Gerstmann Show.
Then back to Giant Bomb, the very next day and there was no longer any worry. Dan Ryckert is fucking back and already making everything since the announcement that he is back that he has touched a blast! As much as Gerstmann toiled under the corporate tedium of Red Ventures Dan (its been revealed now) was doing the same for what is really just an all around shit organization.
Plus, if one (other) person can carry on something on his own, its Jeff. He has already had a special guest too and I'm sure he will have plenty to come. And his exit lined up with the only person to leave Giant Bomb before last week that I really followed while away from the site. Dan's Twitch hijinks were great and I got into both Panning The Stream and Fire Escape. He put in the work to do a lot of dumb and entertaining stuff and I was there for it. The weird departure of the co creator of Giant Bomb aside, the best content creator is back and it seems like everyone is doing what they want to be doing and exactly where they want to be. I'm happy not only for them, but also with the results.
There was also a gag on the Summer Games Fest stream where Vinny was streaming the Waypoint, Jeff Gerstmann, and Giant Bomb streams at the same time and saying they knew a lot of their viewers were probably watching 4 streams at once for obvious reasons.
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Edit: I guess Dan brought up the slider relistening/watching and Jess just backed that up immediately.
different strokes
I surprisingly find her difficult on the Silent Hill show (I don't keep up with most of GB). She's got that fangirlish pressure to mention things with an undercurrent of ISN'T THIS AWESOME paired with the broken mind of someone engaging with a fandom for too long (Bob has a similar issue), throwing out corrections and factoids with amendments like either "don't @ me" or "so annoying" etc, with a few sprinkles of "don't quote me on that". Plus the neverending hate for Konami for "not caring". And I get the impression that she fake-laughs a lot
Vinnie talked a bit about the weird intersection of their jobs and celebrity on the Ramblecast this week and it resonated with me pretty hard. He basically said that reading a single bad comment on the wrong day can put your entire week into a tailspin. I can't even imagine the amount of pressure that puts on a person. Really has me second-guessing posting anything negative about individuals from any of these sites - which I'm definitely guilty of.
Idk how this relates, I think those are two different conversations
Sure, and people online tend to be assholes. And the GB community, at least in comment threads, has never been as "awesome" as the GB hosts claim it to be (deservedly so especially during charity events), so I'm not surprised. I don't see why I would second-guess myself because of those people though
but as a viewer i just don't like how she is full in on internet culture in the way she talks, etc. i absolutely agree she does the fake laugh thing and only ever wants to talk about horror games (a genre I hate). so sadly she just doesn't jive with me. but that's the way it is, I don't like Jason games either, it's not like i'm gonna go post about how they are horrible people or whatever.
basically fandom is the worst.
You can definitely tell she's a goon and I think there's a reason something awful gained an unsavory reputation on the internet. It's basically a slightly less awful 4chan.
I think the way she seems to stress herself out and overtly self-deprecates at times stems from communities like that where people get shat on too much and unless you prove you're a "true [x]" you're even worse
it's a bummer, but that's the impression I get
e: and that basis probably makes the shit she probably gets since she joined GB even worse
what, Austin's "ha-haaa!"? How is that a fake anything, that was the best
They are definitely related - as directly articulated by Vinnie in the podcast I mentioned.
It's a weird job where in just doing their job they're also under a microscope of public scrutiny wherein fans view their output as a commodity. Because a big part of that commodity is the people's personalities it results in random internet people like us making up arguments and criticisms about things like "fake laughs".
Like, imagine if your job came with the same level of public scrutiny? I certainly couldn't handle that and I'm SURE it would have an impact on the work product I put out.
Either way, I don't post this on their socials or comment threads, so I'd argue that it's a bit different than what the people I referred to as "assholes" (remember the Klepek era of GB). Unless the staff's trawling the internet for threads and comments about themselves, which I a) doubt und b) would honestly not be my problem.
And I'm not "making up" anything, I just explained what my impression is, and why it is off-putting to me.
something awful is more like a slightly worse Penny Arcade Forums, tbh.
And I just dislike conflating being put off by something someone does, especially on a personality-driven site, with "saying mean shit". That's what and why I'm arguing.
I argued above why I got that impression, and it's not the first time I've seen something like this. Sure, I could be wrong. You don't have to share my perspective or opinion, that's fine. Also for the record, I did not claim that every time she laughs, it's fake. It's the (what I perceive as) forced laugh after saying certain things that gives off the impression that she is insecure about it or wants to diminish it. And that's not "projection", it's something that gels with what community she comes from and the amount of times I've seen this exact behavior. Sure, that is a certain bias, but guess what, that's what we all have since we draw on our experiences and perspectives. And again, it bums me out more than it annoys me.
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No, let's continue to talk about how inauthentic this gamer girl is!
Agree to disagree.
talk about projection
Yes, I feel very inauthentic. What else is new?
oh, you
My point is pretty well articulated above IMO.
Personality sites like GB are in a really weird place where their teams are both "staff" and "talent". The nature of their work exposes them to a lot of outside pressure and harassment (pointed or benign) and that can really fuck with a person's mental health and ego.
SO, people like you (or us, if that makes you feel better) feel perfectly ok to call out things like a person's laugh because we pay for the content and, as consumers, think it's fine to comment on our purchase or investment - and to some extent it is. That doesn't change the fact that on the other side of the equation there's a person sitting there just trying to their job like the rest of us - except they have to deal with a metric ton of online opinions telling them how they should do their job.
Abby's schtick of being super young never clicked with me, though.
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That part I got, what I asked you to differentiate is making those comments on their site and socials - i.e. "customers telling them what to do" - and talking about it on a forum like this, where they'd have to go out of their way to *look* for these posts, which are, in contrast to the aforementioned, not directed at them. Do you not agree that those are two very different things?
Like, I cannot listen/watch Waypoint videos and podcasts, because I don't want anything Klepek in my stuff (which is a bummer, because I like everybody else there). But I don't get on their socials or twitch chat and post "BOY I WOULD REALLY LOVE WAYPOINT IF PATRICK WASN'T THERE". Neither did I post "omg fire Dan" or some shit just because I can't stand most of his antics.
That's why I bristle at blanketing everything as "saying mean shit". The latter I've seen way too much *on their site* directed at Austin, at Patrick, at Abby. Much of it coming from a very specific capital G Gamer crowd. But if anyone being put off by something one of the staff says or does* immediately gets put into the same camp as those people, I wonder wtf is going on
*and again, I like Jess, it's just stretches and moments that stood out to me in the SH content that, well, read above.
I never found Abby funny. It wasn't necessarily an age thing but her style of comedy just didn't work for me. Humor is very much a personal thing and hers just wasn't for me. Very cool lady and I miss her interactions with the rest of the crew. However, I've had no interest in watching her solo Twitch stuff.
Jess is awesome. I think she's only a little younger than me but basically grew up/was influenced by the same internet culture (I was not a goon though but did browse the forums). We also both went to a private Catholic school and both completely noped out of religion because of it. Everything about her schtick is nearly perfectly in line with what I find funny. I don't share her love of janky indie horror games but I do like watching her play through and riff on them.