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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    I remember when Google announced Stadia, and every single person I knew said, "lol what? how do they possibly think that would work in a country with as horrible of Internet as we have in the US?" and then like, we thought maybe Google would help update infrastructure to make it good and that didn't happen because of fucking course it didn't happen it was just wishful thinking.

    I honestly didn't even know Stadia launched. The entire concept was DOA.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Objection! Relevance!
    Sustained. Counselor, Stadia has never been relevant, I've warned you once before.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    now the ouya

    that's the future of gaming

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    I am not sure what Epic is trying to prove with the Stadia

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    I remember when Google announced Stadia, and every single person I knew said, "lol what? how do they possibly think that would work in a country with as horrible of Internet as we have in the US?" and then like, we thought maybe Google would help update infrastructure to make it good and that didn't happen because of fucking course it didn't happen it was just wishful thinking.

    I honestly didn't even know Stadia launched. The entire concept was DOA.

    Well we thought that maybe Google had a plan until they announced their plan was "The invisible hand of the market will fix it"

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    UbikUbik oh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by then Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    i couldn't believe, and maybe they changed this, that you had to pay for stadia monthly and then buy the games on top of that

    what's the use case for someone who has the necessary internet speed, but would rather rent access than put that money towards a console or pc

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    You could do the free version of Stadia, you just wouldn't get all of the bells and whistles like 4k

    I mean, theoretically, I don't know if they ever actually "activated" it for chromecasts that weren't purchased via Stadia bundle, honestly

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Stadia was dead on arrival. It's been dead. It's a ghost of a console, a Phantom.

    Why are we here? Just to suffer?!

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Stadia was dead on arrival. It's been dead. It's a ghost of a console, a Phantom.

    Why are we here? Just to suffer?!

    Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?


    Yes, I know that's The Shadow, but I don't actually remember anything from The Phantom. Sorry, Billy Zane.

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    Epic really just wants to be friends with Apple but the only common ground they have is dunking on Stadia.

    bnet: TheStig#1787 Steam: TheStig
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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Yes, Apple is a capitalist corporation

    And the App Store is a race to the bottom for the most lopsided content:profit ratio

    I assume the Google Play Store is the same

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    You could do the free version of Stadia, you just wouldn't get all of the bells and whistles like 4k

    I mean, theoretically, I don't know if they ever actually "activated" it for chromecasts that weren't purchased via Stadia bundle, honestly

    Not only have they not officially enabled Stadia on any of the other existing Chromecasts, they didn't even officially enable it on their new Chromecast that they released at the end of last year. That said, you can side-load the Stadia app onto them and get it to work, so who knows why it's not officially supported.

    Speaking of Stadia though, I've heard even less about Amazon's Luna platform than I heard about Stadia, so I can't imagine it's doing all that well either.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    I like pears better that apples.

    But apples are the best when cooked into other things.

    Now the real question is which is the better Epic: Gilgamesh or Beowoulf?

    I gotta give it to Gilgamesh, they have a section about how these two people fuck for a week straight. Beowoulf has zero fucking.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Stadia was dead on arrival. It's been dead. It's a ghost of a console, a Phantom.

    Why are we here? Just to suffer?!

    Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?


    Yes, I know that's The Shadow, but I don't actually remember anything from The Phantom. Sorry, Billy Zane.

    the good news is that I don't either, the bad news is that I was quoting Metal Gear

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

    I think the highest profile game made with Unity is Life is Strange Before the Storm or possibly Fall Guys if we're just talking purely about profit not budget. I'm not sure Epic getting fucky with their ad buys is necessarily what's turning people away from Unity in 2021.

    So in this case it's like one of those grocery stores has better graphics, tools and pricing and also it's not a grocery store it's Walmart. At this point Unity is still coasting along on the "scrappy underdog better suited for beginners and indie devs" reputation they got a decade ago that hasn't been true since the release of UE4. Meanwhile Epic took all their Fortnite money and finally made their way into the film industry like they wanted to since UE3 dropped. They just recently bought Art Station in a bid to own the entire pipeline. I imagine they'll be releasing "build games with Fortnite" themed courses aimed at kids any day now so they can become the industry's version of the American education system training children to work factory jobs. So yeah, this is becoming more and more of a one-sided fight.

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    3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

    I think the highest profile game made with Unity is Life is Strange Before the Storm or possibly Fall Guys if we're just talking purely about profit not budget. I'm not sure Epic getting fucky with their ad buys is necessarily what's turning people away from Unity in 2021.

    So in this case it's like one of those grocery stores has better graphics, tools and pricing and also it's not a grocery store it's Walmart. At this point Unity is still coasting along on the "scrappy underdog better suited for beginners and indie devs" reputation they got a decade ago that hasn't been true since the release of UE4. Meanwhile Epic took all their Fortnite money and finally made their way into the film industry and just recently bought Art Station in a bid to own the entire pipeline. So yeah, this is becoming more and more of a one-sided fight.

    Hearthstone.

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

    I think the highest profile game made with Unity is Life is Strange Before the Storm or possibly Fall Guys if we're just talking purely about profit not budget. I'm not sure Epic getting fucky with their ad buys is necessarily what's turning people away from Unity in 2021.

    So in this case it's like one of those grocery stores has better graphics, tools and pricing and also it's not a grocery store it's Walmart. At this point Unity is still coasting along on the "scrappy underdog better suited for beginners and indie devs" reputation they got a decade ago that hasn't been true since the release of UE4. Meanwhile Epic took all their Fortnite money and finally made their way into the film industry and just recently bought Art Station in a bid to own the entire pipeline. So yeah, this is becoming more and more of a one-sided fight.

    Hearthstone.

    I thought about Hearthstone and to a similar extent Rust but I think at this point Fall Guys has done better for low budget being turned into high profit.

    ...so well that Mediatonic was also bought by Epic.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

    I think the highest profile game made with Unity is Life is Strange Before the Storm or possibly Fall Guys if we're just talking purely about profit not budget. I'm not sure Epic getting fucky with their ad buys is necessarily what's turning people away from Unity in 2021.

    So in this case it's like one of those grocery stores has better graphics, tools and pricing and also it's not a grocery store it's Walmart. At this point Unity is still coasting along on the "scrappy underdog better suited for beginners and indie devs" reputation they got a decade ago that hasn't been true since the release of UE4. Meanwhile Epic took all their Fortnite money and finally made their way into the film industry and just recently bought Art Station in a bid to own the entire pipeline. So yeah, this is becoming more and more of a one-sided fight.

    Hearthstone.

    never heard of it

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    PwnanObrienPwnanObrien He's right, life sucks. Registered User regular
    Also on the topic of Unreal as an engine this is the most cyberpunk thing I've seen lately.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiXX34MZiZg

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    3cl1ps3 wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Apples just aren't as good as oranges


    Getting mad at that is kind of hilarious.

    Fun fact: Epic typically buys ad space for the Google search results of "Unity Engine"

    This reminds me of how the two biggest supermarket chains here will aggressively buy ad space in front of their counterparts, including ads in the local paper that take up 50% of the front page (our local paper is trash) because they're prominently featured.

    I think the highest profile game made with Unity is Life is Strange Before the Storm or possibly Fall Guys if we're just talking purely about profit not budget. I'm not sure Epic getting fucky with their ad buys is necessarily what's turning people away from Unity in 2021.

    So in this case it's like one of those grocery stores has better graphics, tools and pricing and also it's not a grocery store it's Walmart. At this point Unity is still coasting along on the "scrappy underdog better suited for beginners and indie devs" reputation they got a decade ago that hasn't been true since the release of UE4. Meanwhile Epic took all their Fortnite money and finally made their way into the film industry and just recently bought Art Station in a bid to own the entire pipeline. So yeah, this is becoming more and more of a one-sided fight.

    Hearthstone.

    never heard of it

    What if I pronounce it Hurtstone?

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Is it like your heart turns into a stone, or it's a stone made out of a heart?

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    I remember when Google announced Stadia, and every single person I knew said, "lol what? how do they possibly think that would work in a country with as horrible of Internet as we have in the US?" and then like, we thought maybe Google would help update infrastructure to make it good and that didn't happen because of fucking course it didn't happen it was just wishful thinking.

    I honestly didn't even know Stadia launched. The entire concept was DOA.

    Well we thought that maybe Google had a plan until they announced their plan was "The invisible hand of the market will fix it"

    Google tried to lay new fiber down in a few cities but gave it to a team that doesn't know anything about roads or construction. They only dug like six inch deep trenches which were promptly destroyed by cars. It happened in Louisville, KY.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    I really don't know who stadia is for when you have geforce now, where you can just plug in your steam or gog library and directly play the compatible games you own, which you can always the play on your own computer if you want, seamlessly because save games are cloud synced.

    Edit: and the game 'installation' inside gfn takes like a second, you you can instantly start playing even the biggest games, and it runs on most devices. Even Android.

    I actually quite like it

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    If you cannot score points, is it truly a game?!

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    SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    a game is when there's a little guy on the screen running around

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    it's only a game if it's from the Gamestation region of France, otherwise it's just a fancy remote control

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Is X gon' give it to ya?

    Then it
    Is not
    A game

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    ChallChall Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Couscous wrote: »
    Them arguing over what a game is and what a platform is is hilarious.

    I love how they are using hilariously outdated definitions at best

    You can online with friends... or your enemies!

    Chall on
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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    I have only been skimming the thread and avoiding learning more about this, kinda for the same way one would avoid learning more about the Starspawn of Cthulhu.

    I don't think my psyche can take it.

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    The breadth of what the lawyers are having to cover makes me wonder if this big dumb legal fight is going to have much wider reaching precedent than what the actual suit is about

    But I ain't no fancy big city lawyer

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    I swear I’ve been following this thread and like 3 other sources and I still can’t figure out what this whole thing is about. It feels like a bunch of people showed up to court and started just making things up on the spot to talk about

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    reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Olivaw wrote: »
    The breadth of what the lawyers are having to cover makes me wonder if this big dumb legal fight is going to have much wider reaching precedent than what the actual suit is about

    But I ain't no fancy big city lawyer

    If this results in Apple losing their walled garden, I guess they could sue Epic and argue that they must allow 3rd party vendors to sell skins and such on Fortnite.

    Y'know, just for funsies.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    I’m stupid and also not really paying attention so I’m qualified to confidently predict this results in cross play Mario

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    CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    I swear I’ve been following this thread and like 3 other sources and I still can’t figure out what this whole thing is about. It feels like a bunch of people showed up to court and started just making things up on the spot to talk about

    Apple forces all the fortnite transactions to go through the app store so they can take their 30%, Epic wanted to allow players to redeem them on a web page and skip the fee.... I think. Or at least that was one of the complaints.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Chall wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Them arguing over what a game is and what a platform is is hilarious.

    I love how they are using hilariously outdated definitions at best

    You can online with friends... or your enemies!

    See that mountain?

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    OptyOpty Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    I swear I’ve been following this thread and like 3 other sources and I still can’t figure out what this whole thing is about. It feels like a bunch of people showed up to court and started just making things up on the spot to talk about

    Apple forces all the fortnite transactions to go through the app store so they can take their 30%, Epic wanted to allow players to redeem them on a web page and skip the fee.... I think. Or at least that was one of the complaints.
    This image shows what they did for the mobile versions of the game:
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    Bypassing the store like that is against the terms of being on those stores, so both Apple and Google removed the game. Epic then immediately launched an anti-Apple media blitz, proving they had planned for that exact response to happen, and this whole lawsuit saga began. Google escaped because you can side-load apps on Android while with Apple if you're not on the store there's no legal way to get your program on an iOS device.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    I feel like I’m on nobodies side with this. Like they’re all wrong and right for different awful reasons

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Yeah I honestly don't know where I come down on it, on the one hand Apple is hosting everybody on their friggin' app store so bypassing them seems weird but on the other hand their walled garden bullshit sucks

    On the other other hand Epic sucks and this whole thing is just them trying to fuck with Apple so they can make even more money on top of the giant pile of money they're already making every single dang day Fortnite exists

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