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WeaverWeaver Who are you?What do you want?Registered User regular
edited May 2021 in Social Entropy++
The last thread hit 100 pages, so here, have a new space.

What is 40K?
This is Earth in the 41ist millennium.
https://youtu.be/cZc6cr6G2E4

Along with the humans, there are various flavors of evil and alien, but also maybe not evil?{human surprise!}

I could do twenty videos of faction intros, but you all know the armies. There's also like 300 books. The best are written by Dan Abnett, a person who has a old war officer ghost that haunts his writing space.

There's also a tabletop miniature game scene, and a bunch of video games, several fan made video series that are really good, and Games Workshop is slowly(very slowly, like years and years slowly) starting to get into the video market.

https://youtu.be/aFiek1v2Ll4
https://youtu.be/ijg-4YBK_qs
https://youtu.be/Ad4BrJitN88

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    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular
    I love this model:

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    That model is such a mood, I love it.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    I sent a query up the chain, but maybe the folk know, how would I go about getting this threads title tagged in orange?

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    IIRC there's certain words that do it. You'd need to get a mod to add Warhammer to the list.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    Everyone in 40K is evil!

    Space Marines: fight for a dogmatic empire that routinely oppresses its citizenry and is actively xenophobic, among other things. Assume this applies for whatever spinoff Imperium armies we have now
    Sisters of Battle: see above, except even more religious, female, and on fire
    Imperial Guard: see above, except less everything and if you try to run away you will be shot
    Eldar: elves in spaces, with all the arrogance and xenophobia that implies
    Dark Eldar: see above, but they actually want to commit horrible war crimes
    Chaos Space Marines: worship one or more space satans
    Chaos Daemons: are the space satans
    Orks: want to fight everyone
    Necros: want to kill everyone
    Tyranids: want to eat everyone
    Tau: once upon a time may have been ostensibly good, but GW likes to throw in spicy stuff like the caste system or forced sterilization

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
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    dioing this from memory, Gol Kolea, "Mad" Larkin, Elim Rawne, Ibram Guant, Agun Soric, "Try again" Bragg,

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    I might actually be crying a bit.

    edit yep I'm almost happy throwing up

    double edit: I've lived with these books for at least a decade. That's Kolea, Larkin, Rawne, Soric, Bragg

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    To wit Soric was the Vervunhiver

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    I used to be into "everyone is bad" but nowadays I find more enjoyment from seeing the good in all factions. ...maybe not the Dark Eldar. But I do enjoy the fact that the terrorisers of the galaxy are themselves in a constant state of terror of She Who Thirsts. It's not quite sympathy, but it adds some dimension to them.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    Ban Daur deserves a figure.

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Yeah, in 40K, it's not that people are evil, it's that the nature of their universe structurally rewards evil. Like, when the act of betrayal itself releases energy (into the warp), it's easy to expect the ambitious and the desperate to give into that path.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    They got Guant's hair color right. In all of the book cover art they always made his hair dark, in the books he had light blonde hair. They got it right on the models I'm not used to 40k being consistent

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Elaro wrote: »
    Yeah, in 40K, it's not that people are evil, it's that the nature of their universe structurally rewards evil. Like, when the act of betrayal itself releases energy (into the warp), it's easy to expect the ambitious and the desperate to give into that path.
    And especially with Chaos, it's not Evil even if that is the majority of the depictions.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    I think the first one is Mkoll? Don't know that much about those books though

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    I think the first one is Mkoll? Don't know that much about those books though

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    That's probably Bonin, not Bragg.

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Sterica wrote: »
    Everyone in 40K is evil!

    Space Marines: fight for a dogmatic empire that routinely oppresses its citizenry and is actively xenophobic, among other things. Assume this applies for whatever spinoff Imperium armies we have now
    Sisters of Battle: see above, except even more religious, female, and on fire
    Imperial Guard: see above, except less everything and if you try to run away you will be shot
    Eldar: elves in spaces, with all the arrogance and xenophobia that implies
    Dark Eldar: see above, but they actually want to commit horrible war crimes
    Chaos Space Marines: worship one or more space satans
    Chaos Daemons: are the space satans
    Orks: want to fight everyone
    Necros: want to kill everyone
    Tyranids: want to eat everyone
    Tau: once upon a time may have been ostensibly good, but GW likes to throw in spicy stuff like the caste system or forced sterilization

    I think the forced sterilization stuff was only ever mentioned in a non-canon Dawn of War ending? I don't know that it's been brought up elsewhere. A lot of the more evil stuff with the Tau is more by implication than direct evidence, and I feel like after the leadership change at GW, the lore department tried to walk that back a bit, especially since a lot of people complained about them trying to push the Tau into being 'more dark'. I mean they're already an expansionist empire with a caste system that doesn't take no for an answer to "Would you like to join the Greater Good?" they were just much more reasonable over all, by comparison. And a lot of people (myself included) like it better that way.

    I'm still hoping in vain I'll see a re-release of Battlefleet Gothic as a specialist game at some point.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    As would I
    BFG or whatever they will call it would be neat but with how they announced a new edition of Aeronautica Imperialis the general news was met with neat but I don't play it
    So I feel that is one of the reasons why BFG like the new edition of horus heresy are just rumors

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    UrielUriel Registered User regular
    I need to paint the rest of my slaves to darkness starter box

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    Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    When is the 40k Vermintide releasing?

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Warhammer - where everything is a nail.
    Weaver wrote: »
    I might actually be crying a bit.

    edit yep I'm almost happy throwing up

    double edit: I've lived with these books for at least a decade. That's Kolea, Larkin, Rawne, Soric, Bragg
    Have they actually named the models in the pic? Cause given how shaggy and dark-haired the guy on right is, instead of Soric I'd say it's more likely that's Colm Corbec.

    Also, if the chainsword on Gaunt is any indicator that these depictions are circa the first book.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/05/warhammer-fest-online-day-3-black-library/

    Shaggy one in the back is Colm. Bearded knife guy is Oan.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    Well egg on my face. Thanks for looking up the names.

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    Man I really hope the new Swamp people from AoS are Fimir, or at least, have Fimir. Fimir are one of my favorite races in terms of aesthetic and uniqueness, and they do have Age of Sigmar rules, and are in Warhammer Total War and other games.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    This is probably a feet of one of them (same kind of swampy ruin base as the new Stormcast Angel-lady)
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    Fimir-ish but more toes than the FW Fimir models at least.


    unrelated:
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    "Oh my Emp, Morty! When was the last time you brushed your teeth? Ugh!"

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    It drives me mad that this franchise has so few good video games when it is quite possibly the richest vein of potential video game goodness that could possibly exist.

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    honovere wrote: »
    This is probably a feet of one of them (same kind of swampy ruin base as the new Stormcast Angel-lady)
    2021-01-19.jpg
    Fimir-ish but more toes than the FW Fimir models at least.

    The thing it's standing on has vaguely celtic appearance as well, And the fimir have strong celtic theming

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Prohass wrote: »
    It drives me mad that this franchise has so few good video games when it is quite possibly the richest vein of potential video game goodness that could possibly exist.

    You have lots of options these days, total warhammer, vermintide, dawn of war, starcraft, warcraft...

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    It drives me mad that this franchise has so few good video games when it is quite possibly the richest vein of potential video game goodness that could possibly exist.

    They need to give the licence to a big AAA dev (say the team that made the metro series or hell, a COD dev) and let them make a big set-piece FPS.

    Or DICE, to make a Battlefront style multiplayer game. Just not riddled with loot boxes that utterly kills the hype at launch.

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    SharpyVIISharpyVII Registered User regular
    GW has been recruiting quite a lot into their team that deals with using the IP as games. They've specifically been looking for someone to approach games developers to sell the IP so hopefully we'll start seeing more mainstream games.

    Total War Warhammer has made massive amounts of money for GW and Creative Assembly so I'm surprised other big developers haven't wanted a piece.

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    It drives me mad that this franchise has so few good video games when it is quite possibly the richest vein of potential video game goodness that could possibly exist.

    They need to give the licence to a big AAA dev (say the team that made the metro series or hell, a COD dev) and let them make a big set-piece FPS.

    Or DICE, to make a Battlefront style multiplayer game. Just not riddled with loot boxes that utterly kills the hype at launch.

    I maintain, to this day, that Warhammer 40 000 : Eternal Crusade had the foundations (and most some of the structure) of a damn fine multiplayer shooter, but that it was beleaguered by not enough budget and devs who didn't quite know what they were doing. Not in the sense of incompetence, mind, but in the sense of what they wanted the final product to be. They marketed it as an MMO, for example.

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    LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    one thing that i don't like about GW's video game efforts is that they tend to make everything look very "on model"

    they don't really embrace the cooler and weird stuff that the universe has. if they need guard, it's just cadians. if they're doing an underhive game, then it's models and characters from the box, looking almost exactly the way they are painted on the website. the environments all look exactly like the terrain that you can purchase.


    i just wish that the games got a bit more creative

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    GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Warhammer: Dark Omen has been out for like 25 years, so anything else is just icing on the cake at this point.

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    HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    A Gaunt's Ghosts series would be pretty rip roarin, just Call of Duty it up, theres room for like five games in those books

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    BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »

    They need to give the licence to a big AAA dev (say the team that made the metro series or hell, a COD dev) and let them make a big set-piece FPS.

    Or DICE, to make a Battlefront style multiplayer game. Just not riddled with loot boxes that utterly kills the hype at launch.
    I still think Space Marine was a great third person shooter and the multiplayer was a lot of fun to me.

    It died, sadly, but the flood of DLC that came out allowing you to be so many of the traitor / loyalist legions in multiplayer just screams possible money makers for another developer to take a swing at it.

    (I also think the first War for Cybertron Transformers game had amazing multiplayer, but anyways).

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Someone also pointed out in the AoS reddit that Kragnos has a lot of the semi-Celtic themeing going on with his armor and equipment and the like that the Fimir have going for them.

    I know I shouldn't get my hopes up or hype myself up too much but god I want there to be new Fimir in this new release.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    Karl wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    It drives me mad that this franchise has so few good video games when it is quite possibly the richest vein of potential video game goodness that could possibly exist.

    They need to give the licence to a big AAA dev (say the team that made the metro series or hell, a COD dev) and let them make a big set-piece FPS.

    Or DICE, to make a Battlefront style multiplayer game. Just not riddled with loot boxes that utterly kills the hype at launch.

    I don't think EA or Activision are interested in putting AAA money behind a franchise that they don't own unless that franchise is huge, like Star Wars.

    edit: they also wouldn't be interested in making a 40k game unless they could turn it into a Game as a Service on top of that.

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    Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    Also, I don’t want EA anywhere near any properties I actually give a damn about, on principle.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    40k is just too niche to get big funding, IMO.

    Unless that Eisenhorn show gets made, they market it as "Game of Thrones in Space" and it takes off big, which I think is actually a possibility.

    That doesn't necessarily mean more Space Marine media would automatically be in the pipeline though, for the simple reason that Space Marines don't fuck.

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