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[Labor and Unions]: Workers of the world, unite!
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Since the old thread finally closed (after seven years!), we're getting a new one. This is a thread for talking about breaking news and current issues in the world of labor, both organized and unorganized. Feel free to post articles about the ongoing struggles of workers across the world, be they in big union shops or little mom and pop outfits. As well, matters pertaining to labor like anti-worker practices by governments and workplaces are also welcome.
I'm going to do a bit of a break from the norm in DnD threads and use the OP for links to resources my fellow workers can use to coordinate things like organizing campaigns in the workplace, filing unfair labor practice complaints, or just straight up reporting someone to OSHA for safety violations. I'll edit them in as time goes on.
In the words of countless workers before me: "Workers of the world, unite! All you have to lose are your chains!"
A handy site for workers: The Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Click through to get info on your rights as a worker, where and how to file a complaint against a treacherous employer, report a serious or fatal accident on a work site, and a link for submitting an occupational injury and illness report for 2020 (and soon, 2021!). There are also handy guides for finding out what safety equipment and tools your employer is legally obligated to provide to you as a worker if you don't already know.
A handy site for labor organizers: The National Labor Relations Board. In the same vein as OSHA, this is where you go to file info, links, forms, and decisions about employer vs. employee decisions handed down by the NLRB. You can register a complaint and file relevant paperwork through the site, access and file documents, view your own cases in their handy online portal, and just generally ensure your rights as an employee not to be fucked with so easily by greedy capitalist dogfuckers.
And last but not least: The American Federation of Labor/Congress of Industrial Organizations. This is the landing page for the biggest labor coordination organization outside of the federal government. On this page you'll find links to strike maps, locations for union chapter headquarters in your area (should you feel the desire to perhaps unionize your place of employment 8-) ), guides on organizing your workplace in multiple languages, and links to the websites of unions which may cover labor jurisdictions directly related to your type of work. Give 'em a look and see about maybe injecting some solidarity into your day-to-day life whydonchya.
I'm going to do a bit of a break from the norm in DnD threads and use the OP for links to resources my fellow workers can use to coordinate things like organizing campaigns in the workplace, filing unfair labor practice complaints, or just straight up reporting someone to OSHA for safety violations. I'll edit them in as time goes on.
In the words of countless workers before me: "Workers of the world, unite! All you have to lose are your chains!"
A handy site for workers: The Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Click through to get info on your rights as a worker, where and how to file a complaint against a treacherous employer, report a serious or fatal accident on a work site, and a link for submitting an occupational injury and illness report for 2020 (and soon, 2021!). There are also handy guides for finding out what safety equipment and tools your employer is legally obligated to provide to you as a worker if you don't already know.
A handy site for labor organizers: The National Labor Relations Board. In the same vein as OSHA, this is where you go to file info, links, forms, and decisions about employer vs. employee decisions handed down by the NLRB. You can register a complaint and file relevant paperwork through the site, access and file documents, view your own cases in their handy online portal, and just generally ensure your rights as an employee not to be fucked with so easily by greedy capitalist dogfuckers.
And last but not least: The American Federation of Labor/Congress of Industrial Organizations. This is the landing page for the biggest labor coordination organization outside of the federal government. On this page you'll find links to strike maps, locations for union chapter headquarters in your area (should you feel the desire to perhaps unionize your place of employment 8-) ), guides on organizing your workplace in multiple languages, and links to the websites of unions which may cover labor jurisdictions directly related to your type of work. Give 'em a look and see about maybe injecting some solidarity into your day-to-day life whydonchya.
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This feels like the owners were up to shit even before the union busting be because damn
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lol nope.
Remember folks, capitalists will gladly co-opt the affectations/language of true progessive movements in order to make a buck and screw over workers.
Unionizing is a great way to prevent shittery, in my experience. Unfortunately it seems unionizing did not, in fact, stop them from being shits. Disappointing!
Well in this case it would be asking the union to time travel which might be a bit much to ask.
In essence, if 10% or 1,000 workers (whichever is less) vote to unionise, the company is legally bound to engage in negotiations with the respective union.
Much needed and long overdue. My motherland, Australia, has had similar laws for a long time and they have been instrumental in keeping the bastard owners honest (somewhat, at least).
https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/14294-the-proposed-fair-pay-agreement-system-pdf
Random fact for the day, New Zealand was one of the first countries to introduce the 8-hour work day
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Best I can say is, hopefully.the issue there is the vast majority of workers have been made casual, or ~contractors~ . It’s a very promising sign the Labour Gov’t is using its massive mandate to move in the correct direction. We need more attention on this specific issue; it’s not the sort of thing the average kiwi knows much about
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Or they're terrible socialists who got corrupted by power. There are capitalists who are pro-union, I'm one of them.
Most employers dislike unions because they want to grind every last red cent out of people in the short term, regardless of the long term costs. Good unions will deal with a fair amount of the things that HR has to be paid to deal with now. A healthy employer/employee relationship is incredibly beneficial to both sides. The counterweight to unions sometimes making employers jump through silly hoops to fire people is that employees also don't really like carrying their brethren's dead weight, and pissing off your fellow union members is generally a "very bad idea" (tm)
i mean
there is a long tradition of capital stealing left-wing and other radical symbols and people and then selling them, that's one of the main not-directly-physically-violent ways they defang things that might pose them a threat. this is a pretty well known phenomenon that you don't really need to invoke hypothetical crypto-socialist CEOs to explain
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But this stance refutes the idea that to be pro-union is to be socialist, when it's not that simple. It cultivates the idea that to be pro-union is to be socialist, and anyone who is a socialist who is against union is just a pretend socialist therefore no socialists ever did wrong by their own workers. Socialists are people, just like capitalists.
There are socialist CEOs who are against unions in their companies.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/10/union-campaign-that-roiled-the-young-turks-178996
This isn't a hypothetical.
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C'mon now that's just being silly. Socialists aren't some incorruptible avatar of perfection.
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He definitely is, he's not a liberal or conservative.
It’s kind of like if a self-described republican (lower case r, not GOP) went mad with power and made themselves a king.
Maybe not quite the adherent to the idea of a republic as claimed!
i promise you he's extremely liberal
aside from all the capitalist shit he regularly says and publishes, you can't really be a CEO of a private company and be a socialist, it is a contradiction in terms
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Unions are by their nature socialist constructs. I find it hard to argue that someone who calls themselves a socialist yet rejects unions actually has thought about socialist ideology beyond a superficial layer.
Or to put it simply, if you say you believe in socialism and reject unions, you don't actually believe in socialism.
Is this one of those things where most Americans think socialism is “The Government Owns Or Does A Thing” instead of “The workers own the means of production versus Capitalism, where a separate ownership class who owns the means of production and workers sell their labor as a means of access to the means of production” thing?
I think even when this generous reading, there is a meaningful separation between that thinking and ‘believing in’ worker unions.
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There is that as well, but from a psychological standpoint. Upper levels of management often have Abusive power and control narcissistic personality disorders. So while the every last cent motivator is there, the real motivator is the control. I've seen companies spend obscene amounts of money to better "control" their workers. And not really gain any efficiency.
Maybe not, but even bog standard socialists are strong proponents of unions. It's literally a cornerstone of the philosophy. Those who aren't proponents were just appropriating socialist rhetoric in order to cover their infiltration into leftist circles for whatever insincere reason.
This is also true sure.
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If he isn’t actually committed to labor owning the means of production, he really isn’t.
Which given his track record he does not seem to be.
Again: it’s like a king declaring they’re a republican. It’s an inherent contradiction
Or one can be a capitalist who genuinely believes (correctly) that most unions ultimately create a more efficient and more profitable environment, and increase the quality and retention of their employees, which also increases profitability long term. There are different shades and flavor of different beliefs and ideologies, and not all capitalists are or will inevitably become short term benefit only vulture capitalist ghouls.
And I'm not saying that as someone who would self-describe as a capitalist. I can disagree with someone who holds a more capitalistic view on markets and economics than myself and also acknowledge that some, though not most, come to similar conclusions to myself on a variety of subjects, if often for different reasons.
And people can also think and act in contradictory ways. Someone can be a socialist, think in socialist terms, and still make shitty kneejerk decisions to maximize their own benefit without making them "not a real socialist." I mean it probably makes them a hypocrite, but hypocrisy does not instantly in of itself divest one of the whole of their ideological framework.
No True Scotocialist Would Do This.
Im not sure what this is, but anyone who lets the owner class talk them into thinking their relationship isnt adversarial is a mark.
However, it is not the norm, nor does the economic structure of the world support it because capitalism (and thus anti-union sentiment and effort to destroy said unions) is every-goddamn-where.
More importantly @Lord_Asmodeus the onus is on you provide examples of the outliers, not to make us do the homework for you.
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This argument about how no true socialist would ever do X is literally one of the purest examples of the no true scotsman fallacy.
There's a difference between a demographic and an ideoligy though. If the statement was unrelated to the tenets I'd agree, i..e no true socialist would murder someone.
But this is closer to a vegan eating a Big Mac.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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