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Kentaro Miura, author of Berserk, dies at 54

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    TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    I've never read/watched Berserk but it was a huge influence on Dark Souls which is one of my favorite series. Always go great sword.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    I've never read/watched Berserk but it was a huge influence on Dark Souls which is one of my favorite series. Always go great sword.

    do not watch berserk

    maybe the original, but that only covers the golden age and the eclipse
    it's missing 20+ years of developments

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    I've never read/watched Berserk but it was a huge influence on Dark Souls which is one of my favorite series. Always go great sword.

    do not watch berserk

    maybe the original, but that only covers the golden age and the eclipse
    it's missing 20+ years of developments

    The berserk movie trilogy covers the Golden Age arc pretty well, except you just don't have the dramatic irony going into it.

    The manga is the best way to get into Berserk. The art is peerless, you can spend hours looking at a pair of panels. Miura would put art that a normal human would spend weeks or months perfecting in a two page spread.

    Also note that the opening arc, the black swordsman arc, has a much different tone than the rest of the series. As does the Golden Age arc.

    Basically the series goes from a nihilistic philosophy to an absurdist one.

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    Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    Berserk wasn’t perfect, but was a cross section of a man’s soul. I’ll not get too metaphorical or metaphysical, but the best of Berserk will live on in art for the rest of time.

    There’s something in that, but for Kentaro, his family and friends? Wish he’d gotten longer.

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    PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Typical warning about berserk - it has all the content game of thrones has (and more) except much more graphic and detailed. It gets pretty coarse.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Berserk is the best thing I have ever read that I can never recommend to anyone without a hearty amount of asterisks because some of that middle shit gets heavy.

    Trigger warning, description of violence and sexual violence:
    On the violence scale you've got things ranging up to "literal depictions of torture from the Spanish Inquisition turned up to fantasy levels".

    On the sexual scale you go up to "kids turned into demon wasps raping one another to death pretending to be adults because that's what they got exposed to."

    It can be.....uh....a lot.

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    HereticAstartesHereticAstartes Registered User regular
    Like many of you, I got into Berserk pretty early. I think it was around 2001, my initial exposure was a Marilyn Manson / Berserk amv, I've been a fan since. Enough to get the brand tattooed on my chest.
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    What isn't as apparent is that the tattoo came after two attempts at getting an actual brand to take. My skin just didn't want to scar correctly.

    I haven't read the manga in years, I'll definitely be rectifying that. I do hope it continues, ala Sanderson.

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    manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Really surprising considering his age. Cardiac problems are weird.

    While sad news, I'm actually fine with that OP panels as the ending of the story. Especially given the arc before it.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Really surprising considering his age. Cardiac problems are weird.

    While sad news, I'm actually fine with that OP panels as the ending of the story. Especially given the arc before it.

    (those are not actually the last two pages but within the last few chapters, I think the actual last page is NSFW for frontal nudity or something)

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    manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Wouldnt be berserk without it!

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    manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited May 2021
    TheStig wrote: »
    I've never read/watched Berserk but it was a huge influence on Dark Souls which is one of my favorite series. Always go great sword.

    The TV show ends at the most absolute downer point in the whole series. While murder/death/rapey stuff continues, it's noticeably nicer to Guts and Casca, and actually optimistic once his new crew comes together.

    ^ Relatively speaking.

    If you wanted to "play" the whole story, the Band of the Hawk Mosou game covers all the big battles of the series and ends just prior to the boat arc. It's also, eh heh, a lot easier to stomach than the manga.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maGhZ9kY12M

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    Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    A real shame. He was an artist with a phenomenal gift for detail.

    Manga artists have very demanding work schedules, sounding downright nightmarish in some cases. I don't know if that had any impact on the cause of his death, but I do know of some manga artists who work themselves so hard they wind up needing extensive vacations and even medical attention to recover. It's why Eiichiro Oda, artist of One Piece, moved from a weekly schedule to the periodic update schedule he's on now.

    Stay healthy please, mangaka.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I'm still sad about his passing. Fuck.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm still sad about his passing. Fuck.

    I've come to terms with it, but it still occasionally hits me that he's gone and Berserk will forever be unfinished.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I've ordered the first volume, no idea if I'll like it but I'm curious enough to give it a shot

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2021
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I've ordered the first volume, no idea if I'll like it but I'm curious enough to give it a shot

    Just bear in mind that the first volume is extremely different in tone and scope than the next arc, which is even more different than the rest of the series.

    Berserk starts out bleak as fuck.

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    LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I've ordered the first volume, no idea if I'll like it but I'm curious enough to give it a shot

    Just bear in mind that the first volume is extremely different in tone and scope than the next arc, which is even more different than the rest of the series.

    Berserk starts out bleak as fuck.

    Where the deluxe vol 1. decides to end it sure is a thing.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I've ordered the first volume, no idea if I'll like it but I'm curious enough to give it a shot

    Just bear in mind that the first volume is extremely different in tone and scope than the next arc, which is even more different than the rest of the series.

    Berserk starts out bleak as fuck.

    miura was a teenager and in a very dark place mentally during the black swordsman and golden age

    you could see him maturing and getting happier as guts started to come to terms with his life and his terrible fucked up found family(except schierke is precious and must be protected)

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    Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    Yeah as the series progresses (I think around the time they meet Flora?) a lot of story's more exploitative excesses and nihilistic tone really start going away.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I think I said before, the story goes from Nihilism to Absurdism, but it takes a bit after the Golden Age arc for it to get there.

    I think the turning point is the end of the tower of conviction arc. The very end of it.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited June 2021
    I think I said before, the story goes from Nihilism to Absurdism, but it takes a bit after the Golden Age arc for it to get there.

    I think the turning point is the end of the tower of conviction arc. The very end of it.

    I mean that was technically a big turning point
    it's when guts actually admits he no longer wants to kill griffith

    but like, when schierke is trying to act tough and not cry about losing Flora and guts consoles her is where it's very clear what has happened to him

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    I think I said before, the story goes from Nihilism to Absurdism, but it takes a bit after the Golden Age arc for it to get there.

    I think the turning point is the end of the tower of conviction arc. The very end of it.

    I mean that was technically a big turning point
    it's when guts actually admits he no longer wants to kill griffith

    but like, when schierke is trying to act tough and not cry about losing Flora and guts consoles her is where it's very clear what has happened to him

    Little disagreement there.
    At that point in the story Guts still very much wants to kill Griffith. He just has to make a decision: Kill Griffith or Save Casca, he can't do both. It's very clearly laid out for him.

    He chooses Casca over vengeance, and the entire story evolves from that decision point.


    But yes, Schierke's interactions with Guts are when he starts to realize that he is changing.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    this isn't, like, one of those robert jordan / brandon sanderson situations where another manga author reads an outline and finishes the story, right?

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I would hope not, those never seem to turn out well

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Berserk feels like it's very much a story that needs the one specific visionary at the helm rather than something you can capture with a story outline and a similarly talented artist.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    and also, what similarly talented artists are there that could even hypothetically fill those shoes

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    this isn't, like, one of those robert jordan / brandon sanderson situations where another manga author reads an outline and finishes the story, right?

    No mangaka able to halfway do the job would accept.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    I suppose the most likely candidates to be able to make more berserk would be Miura's assistants

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I would hope not, those never seem to turn out well

    I think the Eoin Colfer HHGttG book was pretty alright

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    There is more detail in a single panel of Berserk than there are in most chapters of Manga.

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    miscellaneousinsanitymiscellaneousinsanity grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered User regular
    and also, what similarly talented artists are there that could even hypothetically fill those shoes

    i can think of a couple up to the task, but i wouldn't want them to

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    DaypigeonDaypigeon Registered User regular
    i can never quite gel with the idea you can track the gradual changes in berserk to some shift in miura's mindset, partly because it's not like i knew the guy or anything, but also because it works so well in retrospect that my first reflex is always "oh this was carefully planned" even though, probably not

    it's really remarkable looking back at like, the enormous divide between chapter one and alfheim and being like yeah, this tracks. same dude, same story.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    and also, what similarly talented artists are there that could even hypothetically fill those shoes

    i can think of a couple up to the task, but i wouldn't want them to

    They probably wouldn't even spend a week inking the dragonslayer.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    There is more detail in a single panel of Berserk than there are in most chapters of Manga.

    otoyomegatori comes real close

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    So the final Berserk chapter Miura produced is out there now

    It is, somehow, an incredibly fitting place for it to end

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    it's a real kick in the shorts that it ends like this but yeah

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    Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    Yeah just seeing "The End" down at the bottom of the last page really shook me a little.

    It was hard to accept Miura death, but the sudden finality made it feel so much more "real" now. "This is it. This is all of it"

    Made me tear up a little, fitting given the final page.

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    iguanacusiguanacus Desert PlanetRegistered User regular
    I kind of don't want to read it. Just let it be this thing that I can imagine goes on, never really ending.

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