Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
I can't wait to play Mass Effect Trilogy in the bathroom.
Best place to mine for palladium.
"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite bathroom on The Citadel."
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anoffdayTo be changed whenever Anoffday gets around to it.Registered Userregular
Being told I can't buy it because I've attempted too many purchases because I keep getting error after error from steam's broken store is the definition of frustrating.
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
I agree with that! That's different context than "lol", so yeah I'm with you on your second post. If they can't work it out then that would suck. It certainly seems within their capability to do so, and they claim to be working on it actively, but if you're buying it to play a game that uses anti-cheat I would 100% wait and see. It's the most obvious hole in their compatibility at the moment.
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
It's pretty obvious you're determined to hate this thing, which is cool. I'm not even buying it, I just think you're being silly for being a complete doomsayer. Giving you a valid list of use cases where you can play a SteamDeck and not bust out a laptop, mouse, and/or controller isn't really a "rationalization", nor is saying "hey they say they're trying to fix this right now", but have fun over there.
I can't wait to play Mass Effect Trilogy in the bathroom.
Best place to mine for palladium.
Keep on mining until you get the Old Ones, the High Seas, and the Northern Wilderness books. Some say that if you delve too deeply, you might stumble upon some Rifts....
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Got the 512 model locked in. I don't mind if it gets delayed, this is just a deposit of $5 and I'll be busy for the remainder of the year and good part of next on my PS5 anyway between Neo TWEWY, Tales of Arise, and yes Elden Ring
Hey my too many purchases went away and I was able to reserve one, shame that they locked me out of wave 1 shipments though. Ugh. I'm gonna see if I can get an answer out of them but I'm kind of annoyed that their system locked me out to begin with. I doubt anything will come from it but eh
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drunkenpandarenSlapping all the goblin hamIn the top laneRegistered Userregular
edited July 2021
Apparently my 17 year old steam account isn't old enough to vote, drink, or reserve a Steam Deck today.
Oh dang, it just randomly worked for a whole 30 seconds and I got my reservation.
Hey my too many purchases went away and I was able to reserve one, shame that they locked me out of wave 1 shipments though. Ugh. I'm gonna see if I can get an answer out of them but I'm kind of annoyed that their system locked me out to begin with. I doubt anything will come from it but eh
Does your order tell you you were on the next wave or did you order after it showed the new date?
Interesting that I'm only seeing 2022 dates on the two more expensive models. Maybe they overestimated the desire for a $400 one.
Obviously it's just there to bait you into the more expensive model....
If this thing ever gets to retail shelves I think the $400 model is mostly what you will see stocked. Its probably a bit more appealing there than to the early adopters insane enough to order the minute it goes live.
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
No, not you. This is a specific, limited use item. And there will be all kinds of situations invented to convince people of the pressing need that has thus far gone unfilled to play PC games on anything but a PC in places they wouldn't otherwise do so.
Hey my too many purchases went away and I was able to reserve one, shame that they locked me out of wave 1 shipments though. Ugh. I'm gonna see if I can get an answer out of them but I'm kind of annoyed that their system locked me out to begin with. I doubt anything will come from it but eh
Does your order tell you you were on the next wave or did you order after it showed the new date?
The order doesn't specify window (probably for good reason) but I had seen that message on the page before I managed to get an order through so I'm assuming, yeah.
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
No, not you. This is a specific, limited use item. And there will be all kinds of situations invented to convince people of the pressing need that has thus far gone unfilled to play PC games on anything but a PC in places they wouldn't otherwise do so.
I don't need them "invented"
They exist
They have existed forever
I mean, I use my Switch almost entirely undocked. Admittedly that changed a little bit since COVID/lockdowns but just because you don't personally want to engage with gaming a certain way doesn't mean the use cases don't exist and that the wants aren't broad enough to create enough demand for something like this.
I wonder if they'll have a stand for this. My laptop is quite old and if I could get a small stand for this it could replace that + be decent for portable gaming (I'm just doing note taking with the laptop, I don't need a huge screen or anything)
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KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
The Deck really has two major things going for it:
The success of the Switch gives "a Switch you can play your PC games on" a baked-in appeal
The difficulty of finding PC parts currently
Whether that's enough to make it a successful product remains to be seen, but it is coming to market in a slightly more advantageous position than, say, the generic Steam Machines were.
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
No, not you. This is a specific, limited use item. And there will be all kinds of situations invented to convince people of the pressing need that has thus far gone unfilled to play PC games on anything but a PC in places they wouldn't otherwise do so.
I don't need them "invented"
They exist
They have existed forever
I mean, I use my Switch almost entirely undocked. Admittedly that changed a little bit since COVID/lockdowns but just because you don't personally want to engage with gaming a certain way doesn't mean the use cases don't exist and that the wants aren't broad enough to create enough demand for something like this.
Why do you believe there is a broad want/need for this device? Because it seems to me that an untapped market so obvious wouldn't need to be defended so hard from mild criticism that basically amounts to 'Why is this better than already existing options?'
Like I'm not obtuse, I know better than anyone here that there are some things that still don't work well with Linux, but that list is getting smaller every day. Why would you install Windows?
I think the better question is, why wouldn't you install Windows on it
Did you read that article? It's the headline of what Valve is working on in the leadup to launch for the Steam Deck. Those games are jacked because Proton doesn't work with anti-cheat just yet, but it appears to be their #1 priority right now from every source that reported on the Steam Deck, and from GabeN as well. Per your article:
Fortunately, Valve is working on solving the problem.
“For Deck, we’re vastly improving Proton’s game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors,” Valve wrote on the Steam Deck website.
Certainly an interesting take-away you have there.
I think this is absolutely a case of "wait till this is out to actually see what the thing can run"
There will be no end to rationalisations.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
No, not you. This is a specific, limited use item. And there will be all kinds of situations invented to convince people of the pressing need that has thus far gone unfilled to play PC games on anything but a PC in places they wouldn't otherwise do so.
I don't need them "invented"
They exist
They have existed forever
I mean, I use my Switch almost entirely undocked. Admittedly that changed a little bit since COVID/lockdowns but just because you don't personally want to engage with gaming a certain way doesn't mean the use cases don't exist and that the wants aren't broad enough to create enough demand for something like this.
Why do you believe there is a broad want/need for this device? Because it seems to me that an untapped market so obvious wouldn't need to be defended so hard from mild criticism that basically amounts to 'Why is this better than already existing options?'
Whether that's enough to make it a successful product remains to be seen, but it is coming to market in a slightly more advantageous position than, say, the generic Steam Machines were.
I would hope so. Those things as I recall, without exception, tanked.
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
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KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
/me. I'm not even sure if I want mine, I would just like the option to purchase it later and $5 for that option is no biggie.
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
That looks like it’s just displaying whatever’s currently listed on their website to orders newly placed to me
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
As far as I can tell the only parts that are relevant to your order are at the beginning, the rest of it is more "store status". I don't think this really shows you your place in line? I get my timestamp and the package I reserved.
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
Well, after having this thing in my cart for 1hour 31 minutes and 50 seconds I finally have a reservation for a $650 model.
However, I'm one of those consumers who would've given Valve the money today to guarantee a spot in the first round.
Hopefully if this type of device become commonplace some games will move away from the always online model of DRM. Check-in once in a while is fine but always online for single player games was kinda dumb. Maybe steam browser will also improve it's switchover between online and offline mode.
Well, you have to understand, your posts are kind of confrontational. You're not even "mildly criticizing" the hardware or Valve/Steam even though you say you are, you're really criticizing people who have already expressed in this very thread numerous valid (i.e. not "invented") use cases and a desire for the item. And your word choice is kinda hostile.
Well, you have to understand, your posts are kind of confrontational. You're not even "mildly criticizing" the hardware or Valve/Steam even though you say you are, you're really criticizing people who have already expressed in this very thread numerous valid (i.e. not "invented") use cases and a desire for the item. And your word choice is kinda hostile.
Hey y'all I said something in the chat but I wanted to say it here too:
I've been playing games on linux exclusively for the past 7+ years, I use it exclusively at work for all our servers and workstations too. If anyone here has any questions or concerns about software they want to run on their Deck and they're not sure if it'll work or not, please hit me up. Batsignals on here, PM's on here or on Steam, all good. If you ask me in the steam chat I may not see it as I can get busy. I may also put up a short video sometime this weekend about all of this if there's any interest in me doing so.
Just a quick collection of stuff you'll be able to do without installing another OS on this thing, it is by no means exhaustive:
Discord
install your favorite browser so long as its name isn't "Edge"
itch.io games that have native linux versions (windows versions you can probably still run through proton just by adding them to steam but no promises), also, you may be surprised how many of these you already own, most itch.io developers make native linux stuff
gog games that have native linux versions (same caveat applies for windows games)
humble bundle games with direct downloads that have native linux versions (same caveat applies for windows games)
Run the battle.net launcher as well as all of Blizzard's titles (this takes some doing but isn't too bad once you have battle.net working, you just install Blizz titles and run with them)
OBS - it's just native, you just install it and configure it, it's the same on linux
Emulators, a lot of them run on linux
Run game streaming services out of the browser, including Game Pass, but it takes some doing at the moment
Things you currently can't do but supposedly are being worked on:
Games that use Easy Anti-Cheat or BattleSpy or other kernel-based anti-cheat softwares. Now, a caveat, if the game has a native linux version, you're good to go, linux native EAC works just fine. If not, it's not gonna work. This has been a focus for Valve to get solved for some time now and this week they were saying by the end of the year they hope to have it resolved.
Things you won't be able to do, like, period, end of story:
Install quite a few Microsoft products. The main one being Office. You'd be surprised how much MS stuff is available on Linux, though.
Install anything that's flatly against having their stuff run on Linux. There are a few devs who are like this. Rare is the biggest one off the top of my head, they had the LoR client working perfectly via a simple snap install and they went out of their way to break it because they didn't like having their game run on linux. They're weird.
Major resource for trying to find out if your game will work or not on your Steam Deck:
ProtonDB - This is a collection of reports from people who have tried playing games on linux via Proton, sharing their results, and if they had to use a launch option or do something funky, they usually tell you. "Proton" is how the Deck is going to run any games you install that don't run natively on linux. For the most part, this process is invisible to you. You click "Install", you wait for it to download, you click "Play", and you play.
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for me, I'm not getting it cause i don't like playing handheld (my switch has never left its dock), but regardless if I were to get one i'd put windows on it cause i like windows and don't like linux
Best place to mine for palladium.
"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite bathroom on The Citadel."
I agree with that! That's different context than "lol", so yeah I'm with you on your second post. If they can't work it out then that would suck. It certainly seems within their capability to do so, and they claim to be working on it actively, but if you're buying it to play a game that uses anti-cheat I would 100% wait and see. It's the most obvious hole in their compatibility at the moment.
It's pretty obvious you're determined to hate this thing, which is cool. I'm not even buying it, I just think you're being silly for being a complete doomsayer. Giving you a valid list of use cases where you can play a SteamDeck and not bust out a laptop, mouse, and/or controller isn't really a "rationalization", nor is saying "hey they say they're trying to fix this right now", but have fun over there.
Saw this once or twice, just keep trying. And make sure you are still logged in.
Ultimately i had more luck going through steam client's store page than a web browser.
Keep on mining until you get the Old Ones, the High Seas, and the Northern Wilderness books. Some say that if you delve too deeply, you might stumble upon some Rifts....
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I got the payment notification from my bank a good 5-10 minutes before Steam acknowledged the purchase.
Oh dang, it just randomly worked for a whole 30 seconds and I got my reservation.
Steam: pandas_gota_gun
Does your order tell you you were on the next wave or did you order after it showed the new date?
Obviously it's just there to bait you into the more expensive model....
If this thing ever gets to retail shelves I think the $400 model is mostly what you will see stocked. Its probably a bit more appealing there than to the early adopters insane enough to order the minute it goes live.
No, not you. This is a specific, limited use item. And there will be all kinds of situations invented to convince people of the pressing need that has thus far gone unfilled to play PC games on anything but a PC in places they wouldn't otherwise do so.
The order doesn't specify window (probably for good reason) but I had seen that message on the page before I managed to get an order through so I'm assuming, yeah.
I don't need them "invented"
They exist
They have existed forever
I mean, I use my Switch almost entirely undocked. Admittedly that changed a little bit since COVID/lockdowns but just because you don't personally want to engage with gaming a certain way doesn't mean the use cases don't exist and that the wants aren't broad enough to create enough demand for something like this.
Seems to be going well.
Whether that's enough to make it a successful product remains to be seen, but it is coming to market in a slightly more advantageous position than, say, the generic Steam Machines were.
Why do you believe there is a broad want/need for this device? Because it seems to me that an untapped market so obvious wouldn't need to be defended so hard from mild criticism that basically amounts to 'Why is this better than already existing options?'
Q1 isn't really that big a delay, given that it's launching in december.
https://store.steampowered.com/reservation/ajaxgetuserstate?rgReservationPackageIDs=[595603,595604,595605]&rgDepositPackageIDs=[595598,595601,595602] Link to check your place in line
no one is defending mild criticism.
They are defending blind ignorance.
I would hope so. Those things as I recall, without exception, tanked.
If this is legit, mine says Q1 2022 as well, and I got an order through in like the first 3-5 minutes.
Just absolutely keep in mind, I would not be shocked if A LOT of those reservations do not become purchases. Plenty of people will race to throw down $5, then later on be very reluctant to spend $400+
/me. I'm not even sure if I want mine, I would just like the option to purchase it later and $5 for that option is no biggie.
That looks like it’s just displaying whatever’s currently listed on their website to orders newly placed to me
The index being up there... is this *by revenue*????
Cause that would be a *ton* of $5 purchases....
As far as I can tell the only parts that are relevant to your order are at the beginning, the rest of it is more "store status". I don't think this really shows you your place in line? I get my timestamp and the package I reserved.
Well, after having this thing in my cart for 1hour 31 minutes and 50 seconds I finally have a reservation for a $650 model.
However, I'm one of those consumers who would've given Valve the money today to guarantee a spot in the first round.
Steam: Handkor
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Well, you have to understand, your posts are kind of confrontational. You're not even "mildly criticizing" the hardware or Valve/Steam even though you say you are, you're really criticizing people who have already expressed in this very thread numerous valid (i.e. not "invented") use cases and a desire for the item. And your word choice is kinda hostile.
Okay. Enjoy your purchase!
I've been playing games on linux exclusively for the past 7+ years, I use it exclusively at work for all our servers and workstations too. If anyone here has any questions or concerns about software they want to run on their Deck and they're not sure if it'll work or not, please hit me up. Batsignals on here, PM's on here or on Steam, all good. If you ask me in the steam chat I may not see it as I can get busy. I may also put up a short video sometime this weekend about all of this if there's any interest in me doing so.
Just a quick collection of stuff you'll be able to do without installing another OS on this thing, it is by no means exhaustive:
Things you currently can't do but supposedly are being worked on:
Things you won't be able to do, like, period, end of story:
Major resource for trying to find out if your game will work or not on your Steam Deck:
ProtonDB - This is a collection of reports from people who have tried playing games on linux via Proton, sharing their results, and if they had to use a launch option or do something funky, they usually tell you. "Proton" is how the Deck is going to run any games you install that don't run natively on linux. For the most part, this process is invisible to you. You click "Install", you wait for it to download, you click "Play", and you play.