As awesome as Luthen is, I was very happy to see him get knocked on his ass on Ferrix and I hope he found Marvaa's words to be enlightening.
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Rogue One is telling a story similar to Andor, but the writing is way worse. You can very much tell that the production was a mess. There's very good stuff in there, for sure, but the existence of Andor the series means it place as "this is like if Star Wars was SERIOUS and REAL," is wildly undercut by a series that has so much more humanity and so many fewer bad jokes
I see Rogue One as a star wars Dirty Dozen or Guns of Navarone.
A different genre than Andor. The movie itself feels different than the show but I would argue that Cassian's show character can clearly be seen in there. As well as some of the themes, done better by Andor of course, but there.
Also I liked the small bits of humor in Rogue One!
This is a larger point about franchises and what Disney's done with Star Wars as a brand, but it's interesting to see how hard they hammer how bad the Empire is over the course of Andor, and how effectively they do so, and then think of how they celebrated Disney buying Star Wars by putting Darth Vader on the teacups with a bunch of stormtroopers. I know that was before Andor by a considerable margin, but they most assuredly aren't going to stop doing things like...letting you work with the First Order at the theme parks, or buy clothes with the Imperial logo or whatever.
It's also interesting how Andor pivots away from the more...cartoonish villainy present in the movies? Maybe cartoonish isn't the correct word, since there have always been atrocities committed in these movies by the bad guys. They blow up a planet in the first movie, torture Han for no reason other than to do it, Anakin slaughters a bunch of children...but it feels different from, in Andor, having stuff like
here is a prison where when your sentence is up, we'll move you to a new prison. people will kill themselves just off screen and you will hear them scream. an old man will be euthanized and this is seen as more merciful than what will happen to everyone else.
or
the empire did genocide on a planet and has weaponized the dying screams of their children as a way to torture prisoners.
I think all of this is very effective in the show, and hammers home the messages it's putting out about fascism and revolution, but I also feel like if you're going to put this stuff out you also have to pull, like...this shirt from your official store.
This is a larger point about franchises and what Disney's done with Star Wars as a brand, but it's interesting to see how hard they hammer how bad the Empire is over the course of Andor, and how effectively they do so, and then think of how they celebrated Disney buying Star Wars by putting Darth Vader on the teacups with a bunch of stormtroopers. I know that was before Andor by a considerable margin, but they most assuredly aren't going to stop doing things like...letting you work with the First Order at the theme parks, or buy clothes with the Imperial logo or whatever.
It's also interesting how Andor pivots away from the more...cartoonish villainy present in the movies? Maybe cartoonish isn't the correct word, since there have always been atrocities committed in these movies by the bad guys. They blow up a planet in the first movie, torture Han for no reason other than to do it, Anakin slaughters a bunch of children...but it feels different from, in Andor, having stuff like
here is a prison where when your sentence is up, we'll move you to a new prison. people will kill themselves just off screen and you will hear them scream. an old man will be euthanized and this is seen as more merciful than what will happen to everyone else.
or
the empire did genocide on a planet and has weaponized the dying screams of their children as a way to torture prisoners.
I think all of this is very effective in the show, and hammers home the messages it's putting out about fascism and revolution, but I also feel like if you're going to put this stuff out you also have to pull, like...this shirt from your official store.
Yeah, Disney's whole shtick of "your favorite (fascist, despicable) characters from the Empire in Star Wars! Here are PJs with the silly face of (guy who killed kids for fun)!" is EXTREMELY sketchy, but also very common in the marketing of lots of different franchise merch.
Andor bridged the gap from the Snidely Whiplash level of villainy in Star Wars - destroying planets! Evil magic! to the more horrifying (because it's much more grounded and realistic) day to day life of facism.
Getting hassled by the cops. Getting colonized. Getting arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The horror of long term incarceration. The use of slave labor via those same prisons to generate revenue.
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That shit plays if this is all a goofy, light hearted space opera romp, but it certainly hits a little differently when it’s referencing the very real fascists, colonizers, and mass killers depicted in the more grounded arms of the franchise.
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Point of order; they didn't torture Han for no reason; they tortured him (and the others) because Vader knew Luke would pick up on it and go to rescue him. As our favorite fishy boy once said: "It's a trap."
remember that ad for their awful hotel that implied you could like, rat Chewbacca out to the first order as a fun, on-board vacation activity
Whoa, what?!
i was pretty sure they had taken this down but uh. no! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3VMFcYAgkA
generally speaking i think the "do you want to be a good guy or... a fascist stooge? The choice is yours with these toys/clothes/home appliances" stuff was already in place well before disney took the reins, but the officially sanctioned roleplaying as imperial collaborators still kinda throws me
I feel like pretending to be a bad guy from a children's movie is not nearly the scandalous thing you're making it out to be. It's just roleplay. It doesn't mean you actually agree with doing bad things in real life when you play as the Shark in a game of Sharks and Minnows.
I'm not saying the people who think Vader looks cool are morally repugnant, I'm saying that if Disney is going to put out media about how the Empire does genocide, they should probably be a bit more responsible about how they market things
Also the Empire was cartoon evil for the most of the time in the films, up until Andor. They're ruled by an evil space wizard, for crying out loud! They made a spacestation to blow up planets and then made ANOTHER one after the first got blown up, which then also got blown up. Stormtroopers are basically kittens if you're a main character.. you might occasionally get scratched by one. They lost to EWOKS. Just absolute clownshoes of an evil empire in those movies.
..Hey did they ever explain why the Imperial navy just.. left Endor? Like, you'd figure they would have driven the Rebels off out of revenge and then carpetbomb the shit out Endor('s forest moon); not let them have a big party and a funeral.
I know they glassed that planet later in the legends stuff, but like.. Who gave the order to retreat in the first place?
Andor was fantastic at taking the Empire and Fascism seriously and realistically, but next year is Bad Batch season 2, a children's cartoon which will 100% treat the Empire in a much more simplistic way. They're going to try and have their cake and eat it too because the parts of the franchise where the Empire are cartoon villains aren't going away just because of Andor.
i just think that if you're going to spend thousands of dollars on a bad rp vacation you should at least have a fun space adventure, instead of reporting beloved character chewie to the authorities
Like, how does that even work? Do you see Chewie hiding behind a fern or something and then go tell the nearest stormtrooper? Do you get snitch tokens for doing that or something?
You see there is this thing the Emperor did called Force battle meditation...
(seriously, this was one of those times where Zahn tried to come up with a "real" explanation for a genre convention - the Hero personally defeats the Evil Overlord, Wicked Witch, Load-Bearing Boss, etc and all of their works are immediately undone and their armies routed - and other idiots picked up and ran with)
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Yeah it's just the wrong comparison to make, it's apples and oranges
Or I guess ham versus steak, in this instance
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I think they kind of do, at least in as much that they were each the most entertaining thing to come out of the franchise in years.
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A different genre than Andor. The movie itself feels different than the show but I would argue that Cassian's show character can clearly be seen in there. As well as some of the themes, done better by Andor of course, but there.
Also I liked the small bits of humor in Rogue One!
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It's also interesting how Andor pivots away from the more...cartoonish villainy present in the movies? Maybe cartoonish isn't the correct word, since there have always been atrocities committed in these movies by the bad guys. They blow up a planet in the first movie, torture Han for no reason other than to do it, Anakin slaughters a bunch of children...but it feels different from, in Andor, having stuff like
or
the empire did genocide on a planet and has weaponized the dying screams of their children as a way to torture prisoners.
I think all of this is very effective in the show, and hammers home the messages it's putting out about fascism and revolution, but I also feel like if you're going to put this stuff out you also have to pull, like...this shirt from your official store.
Yeah, Disney's whole shtick of "your favorite (fascist, despicable) characters from the Empire in Star Wars! Here are PJs with the silly face of (guy who killed kids for fun)!" is EXTREMELY sketchy, but also very common in the marketing of lots of different franchise merch.
Getting hassled by the cops. Getting colonized. Getting arrested because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The horror of long term incarceration. The use of slave labor via those same prisons to generate revenue.
Whoa, what?!
generally speaking i think the "do you want to be a good guy or... a fascist stooge? The choice is yours with these toys/clothes/home appliances" stuff was already in place well before disney took the reins, but the officially sanctioned roleplaying as imperial collaborators still kinda throws me
It's just a Wookiee, not a person or anything.
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Like the original Star Wars literally has them blowing up a planet, and darth vader was still like immediately the best selling toy
Im not disagreeing per say, I just think it’s always been this way
If you are a bad guy enough times, then Chewie gets to break free and eat you or whatever.
..Hey did they ever explain why the Imperial navy just.. left Endor? Like, you'd figure they would have driven the Rebels off out of revenge and then carpetbomb the shit out Endor('s forest moon); not let them have a big party and a funeral.
I know they glassed that planet later in the legends stuff, but like.. Who gave the order to retreat in the first place?
(seriously, this was one of those times where Zahn tried to come up with a "real" explanation for a genre convention - the Hero personally defeats the Evil Overlord, Wicked Witch, Load-Bearing Boss, etc and all of their works are immediately undone and their armies routed - and other idiots picked up and ran with)
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I love the things this show has done to re-contextualize the rest of the canon.
...kenari had a "mining disaster" too right?
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