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[MTG] Some call it bootlegging. Some call it racketeering. I call it Magic.

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Magic: The Gathering is a fantasy trading card game from Wizards of the Coast that has been in continuous production for over 25 years. You can check out the official website for more information on the franchise as a whole, including articles on game design, strategy, and lore.

The game is played in a variety of formats, from those that can include nearly every card ever printed, to formats that only use sealed product for deck building, to formats that only use common cards. You can find information about all of the official formats here, and both a quick-start guide and the comprehensive rules here.
Here’s a quick rundown of the supported formats:
Vintage – You can play nearly any card ever made, supes expensive
Legacy – You can play most cards ever made, supes expensive
Modern – Play cards from 8th edition and the first robot set, just kind of expensive
Historic - Arena only, not actually mentioned on Wizards website as a format
Pioneer – Play cards from Ravnica (Return to) forward
Standard – Type 2
Brawl – Standard and Commander bumped uglies and made this
Commander – A format of dragons and highlanders
Pauper – Format of the commons

There are also tons of unofficial formats that are supported by communities both online and at your local gaming store.

Arena is the latest digital version of the game, utilizing a free-to-play model and currently supporting the Standard, Historic, and Brawl format and current limited formats, as well as some occasional digital-only formats/oddballs. You can download the game here.

Magic Online is the original digital Magic platform and is still the primary official way to play non-Standard constructed formats online. They also run cube and chaos drafts on MTGO. It looks like an orcs butt, but it gives you the Magic experience. You can download the client here.

If you're interested in competitive play, you can find information on the various levels of paper competitive play here. In addition to Wizards' own high-level tournaments, Star City Games runs their own national tournament series with large monetary prizes and Invitational, you can find information on their tournaments here.

The most recent set is Adventures in Forgotten Realms. It introduces dungeons (non-sex) to the game. AFR replaces the core set release.

Some other resources:
TCGPlayer.com can help you find the market values of cards before you make a purchase or trade. They also have an iPhone/Android app that allows you to scan cards and find their value/catalog them.
MTG Goldfish also has a price tracker feature with graphs, as well as articles on the game.
Gatherer is the official card search engine from WotC, featuring up-to-date oracle text, errata, format legality, and important rulings for every elk in the game.
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  • KharnorKharnor Registered User regular
    I gain 1 life

  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    I haven't really thought about mtg in forever, but a friend of mine recently introduced me to Jumpstart and long story short I spent all last night sleeving a Jumpstart booster box and am very excited to get back into playing again. I know quite a few people who used to play, who aren't invested enough to build their own deck but would absolutely be down for a night of pre-built deck playing once in a while, so this is basically the perfect product for us. I played through the Arena tutorial to get used to things again, I kinda wanna keep playing there but collecting cards without just buying them seems like it's gonna take forever to build a proper unique deck.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Anyone noticed that removal is not so good in the post rotation sets

    Power Word Kill just aint cutting it for me. Just really isn't. Too many Dragons!

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Anyone noticed that removal is not so good in the post rotation sets

    Power Word Kill just aint cutting it for me. Just really isn't. Too many Dragons!

    Yeah I'm running Bloodchief's Thirst, Soul Shatter, and Baleful Mastery for point removal. Plus Harga Mauling if I don't need the land. Mastery's drawback is often a small price to pay for exiling a target at instant speed for 2 mana and I'll run that over PWK all day every day.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    don't forget Flunk

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    if you're playing Orzhov Vanishing Verse is really good right now as well - not a lot of multicolor permanents in Standard 2022, and even fewer being played aside from Galazeth Prismari. I'm not even seeing much Koma, which is a bit surprising.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Flunk is dece but it doesn't really deal with big creatures too easily, circumstantial. Baleful Mastery is good but also grants them a card or is expensive. Thirst is also expensive for anything serious and sorcery speed.

    Don't necessarily have an issue with it but just interesting to see, no Heartless Act really

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    the main plan would have been for Innistrad Part 1 to be in before all the others rotated out, I assume there'll be some new premium instant removal in there

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    if you're playing Orzhov Vanishing Verse is really good right now as well - not a lot of multicolor permanents in Standard 2022, and even fewer being played aside from Galazeth Prismari. I'm not even seeing much Koma, which is a bit surprising.

    Yeah I was looking at that too but my deck is like 80/20 black mana; white is mostly for Kaya, a Starnheim Unleashed, and a couple Doomskar. I should work it in somewhere, probably in place of the Doomskars since having WW early has been a problem and I need more ways to pick off enchantments.

  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular



    Book of Exalted Deeds is banned in Standard 2022 beginning on Friday.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Curious to see what they thought would keep it in check in Innistrad 3a.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    I think that "creates games that can't end" is probably more of the issue. The ban almost acts as a patch to prevent client issues from that.

    Bo3 + ghost quarter reprint would be more than enough, or just beating the deck because it's bad.

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    Yeah, it's a six mana combo that dies to any interaction when the faceless is activated or just playing the board and throwing creatures at your opponent.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It's a ban in the standard 2022 format, not standard

    The S22 format is losing a lot of removal in a lot of colors, especially at instant speed. And the point of the format is to get you hyped for the new shit.

    Having an unfun card combo that you have to play sub-optimal cards to even deal with isn't a great look. Especially since it doesn't 'win' the game, it just prevents you from losing.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I guess it wins in that eventually both players will run out of cards and one will lose and the other can't lose.

    Unless the other player has some sort of Seasons Past loop going.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Yeah S22 is a genuinely fucked format in some ways and not how any of the cards were actually designed to be played it makes sense that it's a format that would require maintenance as a result

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    that feels like a ban specifically to stop people from trolling

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    that feels like a ban specifically to stop people from trolling

    it's not trolling, it's a legit tactic

    it's just extremely degenerate and not conducive to a healthy format

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    I mean, platinum angel saw some serious silly bullshit happen too

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    It's impossible to put the game into an unwinnable state. It is possible to put the game into a state where your win condition is the opponent decking, without you taking any actions to help that along other than you just not dying.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    that feels like a ban specifically to stop people from trolling

    How dare you call a 45 turn mill deck trolling

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    I mean, platinum angel saw some serious silly bullshit happen too

    If it were platinum angel instead it would be fine in S22 because it dies to sorc speed removal

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    It's impossible to put the game into an unwinnable state. It is possible to put the game into a state where your win condition is the opponent decking, without you taking any actions to help that along other than you just not dying.

    What? it absolutely is. Two people have been decked with the land with the 'can't lose' token on them. Boom, unwinnable perpetual game.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    It's impossible to put the game into an unwinnable state. It is possible to put the game into a state where your win condition is the opponent decking, without you taking any actions to help that along other than you just not dying.

    What? it absolutely is. Two people have been decked with the land with the 'can't lose' token on them. Boom, unwinnable perpetual game.

    No they won, they did exactly what they wanted to do, and they have to accept the consequences.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    It's impossible to put the game into an unwinnable state. It is possible to put the game into a state where your win condition is the opponent decking, without you taking any actions to help that along other than you just not dying.

    I was thinking there must be some card or cards that let you shuffle both players' graveyards back into their libraries, right? Maybe not in that format but in like, the everything ever printed formats. That would be real dumb.

    e: or like a way to donate a "you can't lose" land to your opponent and have another one for yourself

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I would like the book if the you can't lose text had a clause that it only applied while it was on an angel creature

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean like maybe someone came up with a deck that is just "the game does not end, I have no wincondition but arena is now softlocked until someone retires"

    It's impossible to put the game into an unwinnable state. It is possible to put the game into a state where your win condition is the opponent decking, without you taking any actions to help that along other than you just not dying.

    I was thinking there must be some card or cards that let you shuffle both players' graveyards back into their libraries, right? Maybe not in that format but in like, the everything ever printed formats. That would be real dumb.

    e: or like a way to donate a "you can't lose" land to your opponent and have another one for yourself

    Nah the article specifically says that part of the reason is to address the mirror match. The situation you're worried about (which is what i was responding to munkus) where a player can intentionally set up a scenario where both players are paralyzed doesn't exist. And yeah, big picture, those sort of situations exist in the eternal formats - but also those already existed, "can't lose" cards ain't new.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    I like the deck but part of the risk is getting the mirror match you deserve

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    fair e-nuff

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    I would like the book if the you can't lose text had a clause that it only applied while it was on an angel creature

    Or even just a non-land creature probably would have solved it right?

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean like I said in the other thread, it's a very intentional combo. That's why they haven't banned it in regular play, just in the BO1 queue where you can't play Eldraine year sets. They're okay with it existing. They just feel that if you only have Zendikar, Kaldheim, Strixhaven, and Forgotten Realms, that's the setting in which the combo is Lame.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    I think the main problem is that Bo1 matchmaking will force you into games against Exalted Deeds if you run Exalted Deeds.
    Just as it does for every other card.

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    I think the main problem is that Bo1 matchmaking will force you into games against Exalted Deeds if you run Exalted Deeds.
    Just as it does for every other card.

    you can keep believing this but it's completely and utterly false

  • astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    5 stone rains confirmed for INN 3.0 or this problem is just being kicked down the road.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    admanb wrote: »
    discrider wrote: »
    I think the main problem is that Bo1 matchmaking will force you into games against Exalted Deeds if you run Exalted Deeds.
    Just as it does for every other card.

    you can keep believing this but it's completely and utterly false

    You can run Angel decks with and without Exalted Deeds in Bo1 Standard if you like, and note the number of times Deeds comes down.
    I don't have the rare angels to do it myself.

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  • SproutSprout Registered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    5 stone rains confirmed for INN 3.0 or this problem is just being kicked down the road.

    I almost imagine that there has to be some form of land disruption, if not outright destruction coming down the pike with all of the man lands they just added with AFR.

  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    astrobstrd wrote: »
    5 stone rains confirmed for INN 3.0 or this problem is just being kicked down the road.

    I can see Field of Ruin/Ghost Quarter, maybe some cheap instant bounce/exile for low cmc creatures for non black decks.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2021
    They've favored Field of Ruin for a long time, but a new Innistrad would be a good chance for a Ghost Quarter reprint.

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    admanb wrote: »
    discrider wrote: »
    I think the main problem is that Bo1 matchmaking will force you into games against Exalted Deeds if you run Exalted Deeds.
    Just as it does for every other card.

    you can keep believing this but it's completely and utterly false

    You can run Angel decks with and without Exalted Deeds in Bo1 Standard if you like, and note the number of times Deeds comes down.
    I don't have the rare angels to do it myself.

    this wouldn’t produce anything even close to a useful sample size

    human brains are absolutely rubbish at odds and probability and so tuned for pattern recognition that we see them in random noise constantly

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