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Metroidvanias - Finest of all Genres

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I asked this a while back in the JRPG thread, but if you were going to suggest ten Metroidvania games to someone relatively new to gaming, what would you suggest?

    Would you want to demonstrate the historical progression of the genre (so starting off with something like Super Metroid, then including Castlevania:SOTN, for example)?

    Lets see some general recommendations.

    It depends. If you want them to fully understand the genre then yeah, it’s probably important to have them start at the beginning.

    However, most of your modern Metroidvanias have REALLY come a long way from those old games.

    I can barely play SOTN anymore because the movement is so damn slow I find myself getting annoyed.

    So if you want them to experience the progression start with the past. If you just want to show how good the genre is then I’d suggest sticking to more
    modern games.

    So ten modern ones to show off

    Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
    Guacamelee
    Hollow Knight
    Axiom Verge(this can pull double duty because it is very reminiscent of older games but still plays more modern.)
    Timespinners
    Shantae and the Pirates Curse
    The Messenger(another kind of double duty one)
    Chasm
    Dead Cells(mix a little rogue like in there)
    Ori and the Blind Forest

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Skul: The Hero Slayer isn't a metroidvania, but it plays a lot like one

    I liked it for what I played of it, but the balance in that game is pretty bad.

    I struggled to get to stage 3 the vast majority of my runs. Then I just got one specific skull and I one shot every zone past 3.

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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    mosssnack wrote: »
    Sundered!

    Man, that fucking game sucked me in immediately and I played through it twice in a row

    I just replayed it for the fourth time it's one of the best.

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    edited July 2021
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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    Oh also Shadow Complex is pretty good if you don't read the lore.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    mosssnack wrote: »
    Sundered!

    Man, that fucking game sucked me in immediately and I played through it twice in a row

    I just replayed it for the fourth time it's one of the best.

    I played MOST of Sundered then the very last level just kind of killed it for me and I ended up quitting

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Would Crosscode count as Metroidvania or a hybrid?

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Would Crosscode count as Metroidvania or a hybrid?

    Crosscode is fantastic but I can’t quite call it a Metroidvania. I’d call it more of an action/adventure game

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    But getting super in depth with genres is always dumb so if you think it’s a Metroidvania that’s all that matters

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Touhou Luna Nights is pretty cool. You can stop time and throw a ridiculous number of knives.

    Never played any other Touhou games and as far as I know it's the only one that's a metroidvania.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    so, touhou games, they're not really that, the actual touhou games are all bullet hell shooters. But the maker of those games freely allows anyone to use the IP to make and sell their own stuff because its popularity is based on fanworks, so there's tons of unofficial spinoff games in all sorts of genres like Luna Nights being a SOTN-like.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    But getting super in depth with genres is always dumb so if you think it’s a Metroidvania that’s all that matters

    Eh, I'll just file it under JRPG. The umbrella is both big enough and I still like everything under it.

    Been a while since I played a good Metroidvania. I did pick up Fallen Order on sale recently though, once someone told me it was both a Soulslike AND a Metroidvania since you unlock abilities that let you access new areas to explore.

  • L Ron HowardL Ron Howard The duck MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    Must a Metroidvania only be 2D?

    If not, I'd recommend Journey to the Savage Planet

    One that I have not played that I mean to is Yoku's Island Express. Got it during a bundle on sale some time ago, but haven't made any time.

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    indeed Yoku's Island Express is perhaps the best pinball-based metroidvania I've yet played

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    For someone new to Metroidvanias I'd probably recommend Guacamelee. It's colorful with a simple but engaging story, and does a good job of making clear on the map things you can unlock at new points.

    Or Yoku's Island Express, the pinball mechanics might be hard to get into, but the art and world are super engaging, and there's no actual death in the game, so it might not be as frustrating.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth is another good one.

    Owlboy I bounced off of pretty hard, but a lot of people seem to like it.

    I really wanted to like Chasm, but it was okay at best. The randomization was a neat idea but it needed a lot more variety than it had at launch.


  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I should give Yoku another shot. The pinball stuff just didn’t click with me the first time

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    I've 100% Yoku twice, which I pretty much never do in games. I think it's great.

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Super Metroid absolutely still holds up.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    The Geek wrote: »
    Super Metroid absolutely still holds up.

    I mostly agree, but I find it hard to point my gun outside default and move around and swap between missiles and supers and I dunno if it's just a git gud moment or I could configure the controls to be more innovative.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    I believe this Genre is actually called SEARCH ACTION!!! According to a muscled Matt

    Also I enjoyed Carrion recently

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    The Geek wrote: »
    Super Metroid absolutely still holds up.

    I mostly agree, but I find it hard to point my gun outside default and move around and swap between missiles and supers and I dunno if it's just a git gud moment or I could configure the controls to be more innovative.

    It does have kind of obtuse controls for aiming diagonally and switching subweapons yeah

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    super metroid might be the best looking game on the SNES?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k4DCiFgtA0

    like part of me is still in awe of how confidently they nailed the atmosphere and look back in 1994

    it really manages to evoke the creepiness and exploration element of Alien/Aliens but translate it into a 2D sidescroller on a console

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    I played the one where you slap a giant witch's giant tits with a leaf.

    Anyone else played that?

    Good tit slapping with leaf action.

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    Other good mentions:
    SteamWorld Dig 2
    Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
    I guess Super Metroid counts, barely

    This comment confuses me and this is not the only place I've seen this before either. What is it about Super Metroid that is not a metroidvania?

    Similarly, I've often wondered whether Zelda 2: Adventures of Link is sort of in the category of part adventure, part RPG, part metroidvania?

  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Zonugal wrote: »
    I asked this a while back in the JRPG thread, but if you were going to suggest ten Metroidvania games to someone relatively new to gaming, what would you suggest?

    Would you want to demonstrate the historical progression of the genre (so starting off with something like Super Metroid, then including Castlevania:SOTN, for example)?

    Lets see some general recommendations.

    Super Metroid
    Metroid Fusion
    Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
    Hollow Knight
    Ori (either one)
    Guacamelee
    Shadow Complex

    For a very new player, I think one of the Metroids or Shadow Complex would be the smoothest start, as those were undoubtedly many people's first try at the genre.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    I played the one where you slap a giant witch's giant tits with a leaf.

    Anyone else played that?

    Good tit slapping with leaf action.

    momodora: reverie under the moonlight?

    Other good mentions:
    SteamWorld Dig 2
    Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
    I guess Super Metroid counts, barely

    This comment confuses me and this is not the only place I've seen this before either. What is it about Super Metroid that is not a metroidvania?

    Similarly, I've often wondered whether Zelda 2: Adventures of Link is sort of in the category of part adventure, part RPG, part metroidvania?

    I think that’s a joke, right? It has to be the ur-Queen of the whole genre

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    I don’t know that I would recommend a metroidvania to someone new to gaming until they feel comfortable with platformers in general. They tend to be difficult and often obtuse.

    We suffered through as kids because ALL games were bullshit when a lot of us were kids.

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  • The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Must a Metroidvania only be 2D?

    If not, I'd recommend Journey to the Savage Planet

    One that I have not played that I mean to is Yoku's Island Express. Got it during a bundle on sale some time ago, but haven't made any time.

    I mean, the very existence of the Metroid Prime games kinda answers that question.

    Those games are phenomenal.

    That being said, if I absolutely had to choose between them, on the whole I prefer 2D MVs.

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  • Shenl742Shenl742 Registered User regular
    I think having an interconnected game world primarily gated by transversal based abilities is the only real qualifier you need to be a metroidvania, but genres are pretty flexible concepts.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUycDOfcoCY

    I don't think this is a beginner's Metroidvania, but I do think it's a good'n

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Metroid Prime is a FPS and ohmygod am I back in 2003

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    I don’t know that I would recommend a metroidvania to someone new to gaming until they feel comfortable with platformers in general. They tend to be difficult and often obtuse.

    We suffered through as kids because ALL games were bullshit when a lot of us were kids.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpL8UdtznnM

    castlevania 2 was still kinda mind blowing for me, I mostly watched my brother play it, but the idea of being able to go back to a town in a side scroller was just crazy to me, and then you could talk to people!

    but then we got inevitably stuck at all the parts you would get stuck on as a kid playing CV2 (yuba lake), and since it was the early 90s, there was no way to look any of this shit up

    I think we finally came back to it in like 1999 or so with a FAQ, and by then he was able to beat it in a single sitting

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Oh man watching that video reminded me I wrote a funk band medley of Castlevania bangers, and then also rearranged it for brass band (2 scream trumpets, bari sax, ear-splitting boner and slappy sousaphone) and my favorite performance of the latter was marching in a small town parade while wearing T-shirts for my friend’s mom who was running for county auditor

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited July 2021
    Bloody Tears with 2 badass scream trumpets and the Harmony of Dissonance name entry with thumping bari/trombone will fuck your earholes good I tell you what

    Just imagine
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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Metroid Prime is a FPS and ohmygod am I back in 2003

    Metroid Prime is both an FPS and a Metroidvania

    Super Metroid is both a Platformer and a Metroidvania

    Both are also Science Fiction and arguably horror?

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Metroid Prime is a FPS and ohmygod am I back in 2003

    Metroid Prime is both an FPS and a Metroidvania

    Super Metroid is both a Platformer and a Metroidvania

    Both are also Science Fiction and arguably horror?

    2003 internet refused to believe things could be more than one thing

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    I played the one where you slap a giant witch's giant tits with a leaf.

    Anyone else played that?

    Good tit slapping with leaf action.

    momodora: reverie under the moonlight?

    Other good mentions:
    SteamWorld Dig 2
    Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
    I guess Super Metroid counts, barely

    This comment confuses me and this is not the only place I've seen this before either. What is it about Super Metroid that is not a metroidvania?

    Similarly, I've often wondered whether Zelda 2: Adventures of Link is sort of in the category of part adventure, part RPG, part metroidvania?

    Was joke

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    I don’t know that I would recommend a metroidvania to someone new to gaming until they feel comfortable with platformers in general. They tend to be difficult and often obtuse.

    We suffered through as kids because ALL games were bullshit when a lot of us were kids.

    I think this is kind of bad? If someone isn't interested in the game, yeah those things might turn them away. If they find it intriguing, those will end up being net positives that hook them. It's a really weird assumption that 80s and 90s kids could figure games out by playing them a bunch, but it's impossible for modern audiences to do the same.

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