Man, I'm trying to read through the second book, but it sure doesn't make it easy for you does it. I know there's a reason (in the end of the book :-( ) but does Nona the Ninth make it as hard to read as Harrow?
Nah. I would say there are some of those blocks but they are very different. Without spoilering Harrow is the last two episodes of Evangelion in comparison to gideon being the first 24. In comparison Nona is more like an anime time skip staring a character who doesn't have all the information that you do.
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I can't say I agree. Harrow is tougher, but I think Gideon is the only relatively straightforward one of the three. I've discussed it before, but it thought the dialogue was often tricky to follow with unclear or misleading cues on who's speaking because of a specific narrative viewpoint.
Harrow is easily the most challenging of the three to read. But I also think is the best? At least I respect the hell out of Muir's commitment to the bit.
Man, I'm trying to read through the second book, but it sure doesn't make it easy for you does it. I know there's a reason (in the end of the book :-( ) but does Nona the Ninth make it as hard to read as Harrow?
No. It can be confusing but emotionally it is almost the exact opposite of Harrow.
I think each book has been less good than the prior one, but I hope that trend breaks with the fourth, what with resolving all(most?) of the loose plot threads. I think Gideon is just such a good haunted murder mystery, with more enjoyable character work than Harrow, but maybe tied with Nona.
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I think each book has been less good than the prior one, but I hope that trend breaks with the fourth, what with resolving all(most?) of the loose plot threads. I think Gideon is just such a good haunted murder mystery, with more enjoyable character work than Harrow, but maybe tied with Nona.
Yea, Gideon as a POV character hasn't been matched yet, she is just so awesome.
I can't say I agree. Harrow is tougher, but I think Gideon is the only relatively straightforward one of the three. I've discussed it before, but it thought the dialogue was often tricky to follow with unclear or misleading cues on who's speaking because of a specific narrative viewpoint.
Can you give more detail on what you found challenging? I'm curious because I found Nona completely effortless to follow, you get the rules of how the characters work very early on and it never deviates from that.
So far Nona is my favorite by a huge margin because you actually get real, full context on the universe for the first time in the series instead of vague half-truths. Harrow's well at the bottom for me, which is less a fault of the writing and more the fact that every character who isn't Harrow is a completely insufferable toddler. The literal children in Nona are not as immature as the idiots Harrow's stuck with.
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Gideon was the most straightforward but you're also limited by Gideon's perspective; she has no real idea what's going on most of the time so a lot of the narrative slack is taken up by conversations she overhears and doesn't understand.
Harrow is a difficult read because of the 2nd person perspective and the chapters set in Canaan House, though both are much easier to follow after you've read them.
Alecto is pretty straightforward and has some of the same limited perspective that Gideon has, but there are hints that she had a lot more going on under the surface and her perception skill-level is off the charts. The biggest mystery is the John chapters where you don't know for sure who he's with, where he is, or when it's taking place.
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I can't say I agree. Harrow is tougher, but I think Gideon is the only relatively straightforward one of the three. I've discussed it before, but it thought the dialogue was often tricky to follow with unclear or misleading cues on who's speaking because of a specific narrative viewpoint.
Can you give more detail on what you found challenging? I'm curious because I found Nona completely effortless to follow, you get the rules of how the characters work very early on and it never deviates from that.
So far Nona is my favorite by a huge margin because you actually get real, full context on the universe for the first time in the series instead of vague half-truths. Harrow's well at the bottom for me, which is less a fault of the writing and more the fact that every character who isn't Harrow is a completely insufferable toddler. The literal children in Nona are not as immature as the idiots Harrow's stuck with.
It wasn't me, but I felt Nona was very complicated because of the number of bodies, souls, and subsequent identities. I had a hard time keeping track of who is who and who is made up of who.
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So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
Missed it by >< this much.
Pyrrha is in Gideon's Ortus's body. That's the Gideon who was alive before John went all necromancer and brought the suitcase nuke to Sydney(?) way back then. Also the fellow who spent most of Harrow trying to kill Harrow. Pyrrha was his cavilier and was never fully absorbed in the lyctor process. Though fuck it that seemed to make any difference to the OG lyctor's abilites.
So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
I think some of it is just things not being clarified for awhile.
I wasn't sure whether Nona's body was Harrow's or Gideon's until the mid-point of the book. Not that it made much of a different but if you're trying to put together what's going on in the great world it can feel more confusing than it really is.
Pyrrha is in Gideon's Ortus's body. That's the Gideon who was alive before John went all necromancer and brought the suitcase nuke to Sydney(?) way back then. Also the fellow who spent most of Harrow trying to kill Harrow. Pyrrha was his cavilier and was never fully absorbed in the lyctor process. Though fuck it that seemed to make any difference to the OG lyctor's abilites.
Harrow stuff
It didn't have an effect on their abilities. I think Pyrrha mentions they got close to how the Lyctor process was supposed to work. She even mentions that Harrow managed to take less of Gideon than Gideon (prime) took of Pyrrha. Though I imagine they did it in a way that wasn't as destructive to Gideon (prime) as Harrow's method was to her.
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So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
I think some of it is just things not being clarified for awhile.
I wasn't sure whether Nona's body was Harrow's or Gideon's until the mid-point of the book. Not that it made much of a different but if you're trying to put together what's going on in the great world it can feel more confusing than it really is.
There is a bit in the beginning where
Nona says she has black hair, which means we can assume she's in Harrow's body
So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
I think some of it is just things not being clarified for awhile.
I wasn't sure whether Nona's body was Harrow's or Gideon's until the mid-point of the book. Not that it made much of a different but if you're trying to put together what's going on in the great world it can feel more confusing than it really is.
There is a bit in the beginning where
Nona says she has black hair, which means we can assume she's in Harrow's body
Totally and I missed that but the way the books trust you to pick up on all the details is a big factor in why some people might find it confusing.
Which to be clear: Not a criticism from me. I love the way the books don't feel like they need to outright explain everything.
So, I don't mean this as a dig, but what were you confused about?
Palamedes and Cam are sharing a body and are each addressed with their respective name when they're the one driving. Pyrrha (Augustine's cavalier) is in Augustine's body, Augustine having been killed by the resurrection beast and her soul having taken up residence. Nona is in Harrow's body. Pretty much everything else is normal, except when Ianthe possesses Naberius's body to use as a puppet?
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
I think some of it is just things not being clarified for awhile.
I wasn't sure whether Nona's body was Harrow's or Gideon's until the mid-point of the book. Not that it made much of a different but if you're trying to put together what's going on in the great world it can feel more confusing than it really is.
There is a bit in the beginning where
Nona says she has black hair, which means we can assume she's in Harrow's body
Nona:
She's also said to be small a whole bunch. Like assume the body is of somebody 5 years younger or more small. That is not our girl Gideon.
I'll go back to my prior example. When we're seeing Coronabeth go to the barracks, I did not know of we're talking to Ianthe and Naberius(brought back and puppeted), or Ianthe in Naberius' body. On the initial camera broadcast, the same. The problem is Nona's limited knowledge, combined with probably standard narrative devices of substituting names for pronouns, but that gets way harder to parse when combined with that lack of knowledge. Same with the John chapters, where it'll effortlessly shift between "he said" meaning John is recalling a memory, and the he meaning someone within his memory talking. It was not constant, but frequent enough to be confusing, and I don't think it needed to be that way other than Tamsyn may enjoy putting the reader on their backfoot. Gideon had none of these issues for me.
I'll go back to my prior example. When we're seeing Coronabeth go to the barracks, I did not know of we're talking to Ianthe and Naberius(brought back and puppeted), or Ianthe in Naberius' body. On the initial camera broadcast, the same. The problem is Nona's limited knowledge, combined with probably standard narrative devices of substituting names for pronouns, but that gets way harder to parse when combined with that lack of knowledge. Same with the John chapters, where it'll effortlessly shift between "he said" meaning John is recalling a memory, and the he meaning someone within his memory talking. It was not constant, but frequent enough to be confusing, and I don't think it needed to be that way other than Tamsyn may enjoy putting the reader on their backfoot. Gideon had none of these issues for me.
Oh yeah I DID have to go back and reread that after realizing what was actually happening near the end of the scene.
So hey here's a question that I just had in retrospect.
Any thoughts on why Gideon could immediately tell who Palamedes was? Can revenants just see the true form of other revenants? Did she put it together from context and Harrow's memory that revealed Palamedes was alive? Some sort of special power?
Edit-I don't have the book with me and I'm going to be very embarrassed at the answer ends up being that they said his name.
I'm going to stay with my assertion that the "who is in what body with what a soul" is really confusing because it kicked off more conversation in this thread than the actual release of Nona did.
Also, come on @3cl1ps3 , hair color? That was the key fact for you? All I knew about Harrow after two books was that she was rat / narrow faced.
Anyway, I just finished Gideon for the fourth time before launching into Harrow for the third, before Nona for the second and I forgot that Magnus (dedicated old guy) is apparently 38 (one year older than I am right now) and that knowledge is really putting a spin on the whole book.
Everybody in the books is really damn young and should get off my lawn.
Excepting the 10,000 year old undead folks. Though my read on most of them is like like physically at around 30s. They were well established scientists/lawyers/cops but not like really senior ones.
I'm going to stay with my assertion that the "who is in what body with what a soul" is really confusing because it kicked off more conversation in this thread than the actual release of Nona did.
Also, come on @3cl1ps3 , hair color? That was the key fact for you? All I knew about Harrow after two books was that she was rat / narrow faced.
Anyway, I just finished Gideon for the fourth time before launching into Harrow for the third, before Nona for the second and I forgot that Magnus (dedicated old guy) is apparently 38 (one year older than I am right now) and that knowledge is really putting a spin on the whole book.
I mean there were only two options and
Gideon especially but also Harrow both have very explicit hair colors. If I had caught that Nona didn't have red hair that would have made things much clearer.
Also I'm gonna accuse the person doing the covers of making Nona on the cover look like she could maybe have red hair.
You thought he was younger, or older? I thought he totally had 40, possibly 45 year old vibes.
I thought he was supposed to be older than that, like late 40's?
Yeah, I think that's a reasonable take, and as mentioned above, you have to subtract a bunch of years for everyone across the board, except the teens who seem to be on the mark.
There’s some mention in the beginning that they have to keep cutting Nona’s hair and she needs to hide her unnaturally quick hair growth from outsiders. Which I at least took as confirmation that it’s Harrow’s body with the increased hair growth thing Ianthe cast to mess with her.
You thought he was younger, or older? I thought he totally had 40, possibly 45 year old vibes.
I thought he was supposed to be older than that, like late 40's?
Yeah, I think that's a reasonable take, and as mentioned above, you have to subtract a bunch of years for everyone across the board, except the teens who seem to be on the mark.
Aren't all the ages confirmed in Judith's notes on the Houses at the end of Harrow?
The one about the fucking space hairdresser and the cowboy. He's got a tinfoil pal and a pedal bin
Sure, I'm just talking about my initial impression from his dad energy.
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Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
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but he'd still be a much better dinner guest than any of the folks in BoE
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Honestly Locked Tomb is kinda all assholes with a few notable exceptions like Cam/Pal, Gideon, Pyrrha, etc.
Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
Re: God. I find myself relatively on his side. It helps that BoE is so fucking evil but also it's probably because God's crimes are for the most part so big that they are tough to wrap my head around. Whereas BoE's crimes are so much banal and grokable.
Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
Re: God. I find myself relatively on his side. It helps that BoE is so fucking evil but also it's probably because God's crimes are for the most part so big that they are tough to wrap my head around. Whereas BoE's crimes are so much banal and grokable.
What are their crimes in this context? The only thing I remember them doing is betraying the sixth house peeps, which is a dick move for sure, but not really comparable to murdering almost all of humanity and the solar system in an attempt to murder the remaining humans.
Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
Re: God. I find myself relatively on his side. It helps that BoE is so fucking evil but also it's probably because God's crimes are for the most part so big that they are tough to wrap my head around. Whereas BoE's crimes are so much banal and grokable.
What are their crimes in this context? The only thing I remember them doing is betraying the sixth house peeps, which is a dick move for sure, but not really comparable to murdering almost all of humanity and the solar system in an attempt to murder the remaining humans.
A long-term scheme of tricking the rest of humanity on earth that they were all going to leave the planet when in reality they intended to abandon the vast majority of humanity to a slow eco-death while they left for greener pastures.
Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
Re: God. I find myself relatively on his side. It helps that BoE is so fucking evil but also it's probably because God's crimes are for the most part so big that they are tough to wrap my head around. Whereas BoE's crimes are so much banal and grokable.
What are their crimes in this context? The only thing I remember them doing is betraying the sixth house peeps, which is a dick move for sure, but not really comparable to murdering almost all of humanity and the solar system in an attempt to murder the remaining humans.
A long-term scheme of tricking the rest of humanity on earth that they were all going to leave the planet when in reality they intended to abandon the vast majority of humanity to a slow eco-death while they left for greener pastures.
The rich fucks.
That wasn't blood of eden, that was some rich fucks who died almost ten thousand years ago. Blood of eden is the resistance group that formed when space wizards showed up and started killing people and the planets they lived on. They are incredibly far removed from what you're blaming them for, as Augustine pointed out. There's a reason all John's remaining lyctors were working against him.
Doing a re-read of Harrow and I came across this, re: Blood of Eden:
Before you'd left him then, when your tea had cooled sufficiently that you were no longer required to drink it, you'd asked:
"What does BoE stand for?"
"Blood of Eden," he'd said, slowly.
"Who is Eden?"
"Someone they left to die," said God wearily. "How sharper than the serpent's tooth, et cetera...Harrow, if you bother to remember anything from my ramblings, please remember this: once you turn your back on something, you have no more right to act as though you own it."
At the time, that had made perfect sense to you.
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
Re: God. I find myself relatively on his side. It helps that BoE is so fucking evil but also it's probably because God's crimes are for the most part so big that they are tough to wrap my head around. Whereas BoE's crimes are so much banal and grokable.
What are their crimes in this context? The only thing I remember them doing is betraying the sixth house peeps, which is a dick move for sure, but not really comparable to murdering almost all of humanity and the solar system in an attempt to murder the remaining humans.
A long-term scheme of tricking the rest of humanity on earth that they were all going to leave the planet when in reality they intended to abandon the vast majority of humanity to a slow eco-death while they left for greener pastures.
The rich fucks.
That wasn't blood of eden, that was some rich fucks who died almost ten thousand years ago. Blood of eden is the resistance group that formed when space wizards showed up and started killing people and the planets they lived on. They are incredibly far removed from what you're blaming them for, as Augustine pointed out. There's a reason all John's remaining lyctors were working against him.
No yeah I agree. John is bad but the deck is stacked hard against BoE in my like, the reflexive part of my brain?
Although the pedant in me has to point out that
Some of what you said is technically speculation. The only word we hear of the initial meetings between BoE and the Empire is from John who could be lying but does say that they tried to claim the Earth as theirs. I suspect that the children of the cowards and rats who abandoned the earth were taught to believe their ancestors were heroes. My guess would be that neither side was particularly interested in letting the other side live.
I've been debating this with various other friends after reading Nona but I think it's really unclear to what extent BoE are the descendants of the rich who fled Earth and how much they know about the truth of it. It was ten thousand years ago, I think there's no continuity of operations between those colonists and the cells now operating against the Empire. I don't think they can be blamed for what happened on Earth
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Nah. I would say there are some of those blocks but they are very different. Without spoilering Harrow is the last two episodes of Evangelion in comparison to gideon being the first 24. In comparison Nona is more like an anime time skip staring a character who doesn't have all the information that you do.
No. It can be confusing but emotionally it is almost the exact opposite of Harrow.
Yea, Gideon as a POV character hasn't been matched yet, she is just so awesome.
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Can you give more detail on what you found challenging? I'm curious because I found Nona completely effortless to follow, you get the rules of how the characters work very early on and it never deviates from that.
So far Nona is my favorite by a huge margin because you actually get real, full context on the universe for the first time in the series instead of vague half-truths. Harrow's well at the bottom for me, which is less a fault of the writing and more the fact that every character who isn't Harrow is a completely insufferable toddler. The literal children in Nona are not as immature as the idiots Harrow's stuck with.
Harrow is a difficult read because of the 2nd person perspective and the chapters set in Canaan House, though both are much easier to follow after you've read them.
Alecto is pretty straightforward and has some of the same limited perspective that Gideon has, but there are hints that she had a lot more going on under the surface and her perception skill-level is off the charts. The biggest mystery is the John chapters where you don't know for sure who he's with, where he is, or when it's taking place.
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It wasn't me, but I felt Nona was very complicated because of the number of bodies, souls, and subsequent identities. I had a hard time keeping track of who is who and who is made up of who.
I dunno. When people say "there were so many it was hard to keep track of" I feel like I must have missed something, I feel like it was very few and the book was extremely clear about who was who.
Missed it by >< this much.
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I think some of it is just things not being clarified for awhile.
Harrow stuff
There is a bit in the beginning where
Totally and I missed that but the way the books trust you to pick up on all the details is a big factor in why some people might find it confusing.
Which to be clear: Not a criticism from me. I love the way the books don't feel like they need to outright explain everything.
Nona:
Oh yeah I DID have to go back and reread that after realizing what was actually happening near the end of the scene.
Edit-I don't have the book with me and I'm going to be very embarrassed at the answer ends up being that they said his name.
Also, come on @3cl1ps3 , hair color? That was the key fact for you? All I knew about Harrow after two books was that she was rat / narrow faced.
Anyway, I just finished Gideon for the fourth time before launching into Harrow for the third, before Nona for the second and I forgot that Magnus (dedicated old guy) is apparently 38 (one year older than I am right now) and that knowledge is really putting a spin on the whole book.
I mean there were only two options and
Also I'm gonna accuse the person doing the covers of making Nona on the cover look like she could maybe have red hair.
I thought he was supposed to be older than that, like late 40's?
Yeah, I think that's a reasonable take, and as mentioned above, you have to subtract a bunch of years for everyone across the board, except the teens who seem to be on the mark.
Aren't all the ages confirmed in Judith's notes on the Houses at the end of Harrow?
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but he'd still be a much better dinner guest than any of the folks in BoE
I can't quote it but rereading Gideon involved a passage where Gideon contemplates whether Harrow has been murdered and says something like. "What if her murderer were like, weird? That would make Gideon's marriage to her awkward. Maybe they could just make friendship bracelets". So yeah.
The rich fucks.
No yeah I agree. John is bad but the deck is stacked hard against BoE in my like, the reflexive part of my brain?
Although the pedant in me has to point out that